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dryans4prez 11-15-2012 12:47 PM

Brett Hartmanns back with vengeance
 
Brett Hartmanns suing the county agency that operates the field for "unsafe turf". Thoughts?

http://espn.go.com/nfl/conversations...t-stadium-turf

Exascor 11-15-2012 12:48 PM

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Originally Posted by dryans4prez (Post 2058309)
Brett Hartmanns suing the county agency that operates the field for "unsafe turf". Thoughts?

http://espn.go.com/nfl/conversations...t-stadium-turf

Sucks but doesn't suprise me. FYI there's some discussion going on here:http://www.texanstalk.com/forums/sho...t=96196&page=2

GP 11-15-2012 01:10 PM

Pretty sure the Texans will now have zero intentions of ever letting this guy get a shot here again.

Exascor 11-15-2012 02:24 PM

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Here's an interview on 610 with Hartmann and his lawyer: http://houston.cbslocal.com/2012/11/...liant-stadium/

ThaJokaa 11-15-2012 02:27 PM

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Turfs gonna be changing at Reliant soon, alot of allegations being made for awhile now

foo82 11-15-2012 02:54 PM

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Originally Posted by GP (Post 2058325)
Pretty sure the Texans will now have zero intentions of ever letting this guy get a shot here again.

Why? He isn't suing the Texans, but rather Reliant Stadium.

HOU-TEX 11-15-2012 03:01 PM

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Too bad we didn't go with the entire field rolling in and out like the Cards. I never played on this new field turf stuff, but I don't think anything can beat natural grass. I played on astroturf and it sucked. I had to mummify myself to prevent from burns

GP 11-15-2012 03:01 PM

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Originally Posted by foo82 (Post 2058397)
Why? He isn't suing the Texans, but rather Reliant Stadium.

Class act organizations don't generally like to employ people who do that sort of thing.

Patterns.

eriadoc 11-15-2012 03:11 PM

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Originally Posted by GP (Post 2058325)
Pretty sure the Texans will now have zero intentions of ever letting this guy get a shot here again.

Pretty sure that was their intent before he filed this lawsuit. He knew his career in the NFL was over, so he filed. He has nothing to lose.

infantrycak 11-15-2012 03:28 PM

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From the kicker audition thread:

Don't bet on a settlement. With the Lanier law firm and a potential NFL career of 15 years their demand will be high. Judge Ken Wise will be fair but he isn't going to favor the plaintiff. The Texans are going to bring 10 years of surveys showing the NFL players as a whole think Reliant is one of the better places to play. They will also bring 10 years worth of data showing Reliant's injury rate is no greater than other stadiums. Comments by Belichick won't even get in at trial - note Welker never said the field caused his injury. Plus any settlement would essentially mean they have to change the entire system at a cost of several million. Also going to have a hard time finding a sympathetic jury.

foo82 11-15-2012 03:34 PM

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Originally Posted by GP (Post 2058402)
Class act organizations don't generally like to employ people who do that sort of thing.

Patterns.

How do you figure that? I think he has a valid claim. Let's say your employer uses a rental car service that supplies you a rental car. Due to a defect in the car, you were injured. Are you saying it would be wrong for you to sue the rental car company if they knew about the defect and that your employer would hold it against you?

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Doppelganger 11-15-2012 03:37 PM

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Originally Posted by GP (Post 2058402)
Class act organizations don't generally like to employ people who do that sort of thing.

Patterns.

And class act individuals generally don't get suspended an additional 8 games while serving the original 3 game suspension :)

GP 11-15-2012 03:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Doppelganger (Post 2058427)
And class act individuals generally don't get suspended an additional 8 games while serving the original 3 game suspension :)

Bingo.

It's bad math for Brett.

Suspensions + Lawsuits = Headaches.

2012Champs 11-15-2012 03:53 PM

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Originally Posted by infantrycak (Post 2058420)
From the kicker audition thread:

Don't bet on a settlement. With the Lanier law firm and a potential NFL career of 15 years their demand will be high. Judge Ken Wise will be fair but he isn't going to favor the plaintiff. The Texans are going to bring 10 years of surveys showing the NFL players as a whole think Reliant is one of the better places to play. They will also bring 10 years worth of data showing Reliant's injury rate is no greater than other stadiums. Comments by Belichick won't even get in at trial - note Welker never said the field caused his injury. Plus any settlement would essentially mean they have to change the entire system at a cost of several million. Also going to have a hard time finding a sympathetic jury.



Mark has to pay his bills too

GP 11-15-2012 03:55 PM

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Originally Posted by foo82 (Post 2058424)
How do you figure that? I think he has a valid claim. Let's say your employer uses a rental car service that supplies you a rental car. Due to a defect in the car, you were injured. Are you saying it would be wrong for you to sue the rental car company if they knew about the defect and that your employer would hold it against you?

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I think I look at it like this: Why isn't Wes Welker suing for damages? Ben Tate when he was tackled in a preseason game and lost an entire rookie season? Andre Johnson who missed most of season? Or any other player for that matter?

When a guy sticks his neck out like that, and he's got suspensions galore as well, it means the guy is a headache. It's a combination of things.

I once thought that the Texans might give him a second chance in camp in 2013, but this, IMO, would be the burning of that bridge.

ChampionTexan 11-15-2012 04:04 PM

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Originally Posted by GP (Post 2058437)
I think I look at it like this: Why isn't Wes Welker suing for damages? Ben Tate when he was tackled in a preseason game and lost an entire rookie season? Andre Johnson who missed most of season? Or any other player for that matter?

Well, one reason might be that Welker, Tate, and Andre all recovered from their injuries, and they lost zero salary while they were in the process of that recovery. That is to say there's absolutely no way they could show damages.

I think this is a longshot lawsuit. I'm actually one of the folks here who's never complained about the field, and believe that most of those that do are talking about something they know next to nothing about (or parroting those folks), but Welker and Tate's circumstances are completely different than what Hartmann is claiming.

badboy 11-15-2012 04:08 PM

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Today on 790 ND Kalu former Texan said he hoped Hartman loses & lawsuit makes players look bad. Chester Pitts another former Texan said turf is much better than years before.

GP 11-15-2012 04:09 PM

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Originally Posted by ChampionTexan (Post 2058439)
Well, one reason might be that Welker, Tate, and Andre all recovered from their injuries, and they lost zero salary while they were in the process of that recovery. That is to say there's absolutely no way they could show damages.

I think this is a longshot lawsuit. I'm actually one of the folks here who's never complained about the field, and believe that most of those that do are talking about something they know next to nothing about (or parroting those folks), but Welker and Tate's circumstances are completely different than what Hartmann is claiming.

Whoa, hold on a sec.

So you're telling me Hartmann can never kick or punt again? I'm missing where that's the case. POTENTIALLY career-threatening is what I've heard.

He's doing this based on the potential for loss of money. Now, this also begs the question: What else could a player sue for, in terms of an outside force that would cause their career to end forever?

Can't I sue a player for making a hit on me that ended my career? Or maybe I'll sue the helmet company for not making a good enough helmet? Maybe I'll sue the trainers and the weight lifting coaches for not making my muscles and ligaments the proper consistency to help me avoid blowing out an ACL or a quad? Where does it end?

Bratty ass punk is what this looks like to me. I think maybe him and Royce White are roomies or something. It's just silly, IMO. When people do things like this, it just looks so so sad to me. There are legitimate situation of negligence in life, is this really one of those? I don't think so.

GP 11-15-2012 04:12 PM

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From the ESPN.com story:

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...blaming "unsafe turf" for a possibly career-ending knee injury.
POSSIBLY career-ending knee injury, just like I said in my previous post.

He's suing on the potential for him to never play football again.

Good luck with that, Brett.

Norg 11-15-2012 04:21 PM

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i dont think we are the only team who uses tray grass squares ..???? are we ????


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