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Exascor 11-06-2012 08:41 PM

Michael Lombardi's Midseason Super Bowl Pick
 
Michael Lombardi took a lot of flack from Texans fan's for calling the team soft. He deserved the flack and apologized for under-estimating them. Check out his & the rest of nfl.com staff's picks for the Super Bowl and other awards:

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap100...vii-picks-more

Texan_Bill 11-06-2012 08:59 PM

Re: Michael Lombardi's Midseason Super Bowl Pick
 
Meh... Lombardi was a failed exec with the....... get this....


*Chris Berman voice* "The Raiduhs"

Anyway, same ol, same ol... Some good picks, some crappy.

*************

Back to many of our premises. Just keep winning first and foremost!!

EllisUnit 11-06-2012 09:11 PM

Re: Michael Lombardi's Midseason Super Bowl Pick
 
hell most have us going to the superbowl, hell all but 1 has us losing the superbowl......

Amazing to see just how ignorant some of these guys are.

thunderkyss 11-06-2012 09:28 PM

Re: Michael Lombardi's Midseason Super Bowl Pick
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Exascor (Post 2051983)
Michael Lombardi took a lot of flack from Texans fan's for calling the team soft. He deserved the flack and apologized for under-estimating them. Check out his & the rest of nfl.com staff's picks for the Super Bowl and other awards:

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap100...vii-picks-more

I personally didn't think he deserved the slack.. the Texans were soft, big difference between the team then & the team now. Sure we were pushing people off the ball, sure we were "physical" but a mistake here or there tended to snowball to the point that we'd lose very winnable games.

bo orlando 11-07-2012 11:34 AM

Re: Michael Lombardi's Midseason Super Bowl Pick
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Texan_Bill (Post 2051991)
Meh... Lombardi was a failed exec with the....... get this....


*Chris Berman voice* "The Raiduhs"

Anyway, same ol, same ol... Some good picks, some crappy.

*************

Back to many of our premises. Just keep winning first and foremost!!

When he was there The Raiders were perennial super bowl contenders (he was there during the Tuck rule game, for instance).

Considering how terrible the Texans have been for most of their history, I've never understood why Texans fans ever could get mad at any media person telling it like it is. In fact, why get mad at anything a media person says anyway?

Hervoyel 11-07-2012 02:18 PM

Re: Michael Lombardi's Midseason Super Bowl Pick
 
I don't want anybody to pick the Texans to win the Super Bowl. All I want is for everybody to have to acknowledge that they won it after it's over.

GP 11-07-2012 02:44 PM

Re: Michael Lombardi's Midseason Super Bowl Pick
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Fiddler (Post 2052004)
I personally didn't think he deserved the slack.. the Texans were soft, big difference between the team then & the team now. Sure we were pushing people off the ball, sure we were "physical" but a mistake here or there tended to snowball to the point that we'd lose very winnable games.

Funny how a Wade Phillips defense isn't mentioned here. Because it should be.

The offense, IMO, is still a bit soft. They often pick and choose when to get their ass in gear and do something in a coordinated and consistent manner...I'd call that soft. Like a teenager who slacks all afternoon and then dashes like hell to clean his room up at the last second when mom's about to be home from. work and chew his ass out for having played video games all afternoon.

The defense has masked Kubiak's softness. It's a surrogate "toughie" that covers for Kubiak. How many of us sit there after watching the Texans blow perfectly good drives early in the game, and our minds start thinking "Come on defense, get a turnover...get us the ball back...come on, guys."??? All of us do.

Why do we do this? Because we know that our offense tends to only get tough when they either (A) Have no other choice, or (B) they get a gift from our own defense and know that there's expectations attached to that gift."

The day this offense is truly, definitively, "tough" will be when the defense can be awful and we still win somehow because the offense kept churning out points.

DexmanC 11-07-2012 09:43 PM

Re: Michael Lombardi's Midseason Super Bowl Pick
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by GP (Post 2052569)
Funny how a Wade Phillips defense isn't mentioned here. Because it should be.

The offense, IMO, is still a bit soft. They often pick and choose when to get their ass in gear and do something in a coordinated and consistent manner...I'd call that soft. Like a teenager who slacks all afternoon and then dashes like hell to clean his room up at the last second when mom's about to be home from. work and chew his ass out for having played video games all afternoon.

The defense has masked Kubiak's softness. It's a surrogate "toughie" that covers for Kubiak. How many of us sit there after watching the Texans blow perfectly good drives early in the game, and our minds start thinking "Come on defense, get a turnover...get us the ball back...come on, guys."??? All of us do.

Why do we do this? Because we know that our offense tends to only get tough when they either (A) Have no other choice, or (B) they get a gift from our own defense and know that there's expectations attached to that gift."

The day this offense is truly, definitively, "tough" will be when the defense can be awful and we still win somehow because the offense kept churning out points.

Yep. I layed off of Kubiak because of the team record. It's just the defense
is good enough to keep Kubiak's ineptness from costing us games. Let's
see if this keeps up (I surely hope so.)

thunderkyss 11-08-2012 02:20 AM

Re: Michael Lombardi's Midseason Super Bowl Pick
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by bo orlando (Post 2052409)
Considering how terrible the Texans have been for most of their history, I've never understood why Texans fans ever could get mad at any media person telling it like it is. In fact, why get mad at anything a media person says anyway?

Can't nobody beat up on my brother but me.


Same goes for my team.

thunderkyss 11-08-2012 02:22 AM

Re: Michael Lombardi's Midseason Super Bowl Pick
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by GP (Post 2052569)

The day this offense is truly, definitively, "tough" will be when the defense can be awful and we still win somehow because the offense kept churning out points.

But the only reason we won games for 5 years, was because of our offense. Now all of a sudden....

NVM..

dalemurphy 11-08-2012 06:59 AM

Re: Michael Lombardi's Midseason Super Bowl Pick
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by GP (Post 2052569)
Funny how a Wade Phillips defense isn't mentioned here. Because it should be.

The offense, IMO, is still a bit soft. They often pick and choose when to get their ass in gear and do something in a coordinated and consistent manner...I'd call that soft. Like a teenager who slacks all afternoon and then dashes like hell to clean his room up at the last second when mom's about to be home from. work and chew his ass out for having played video games all afternoon.

The defense has masked Kubiak's softness. It's a surrogate "toughie" that covers for Kubiak. How many of us sit there after watching the Texans blow perfectly good drives early in the game, and our minds start thinking "Come on defense, get a turnover...get us the ball back...come on, guys."??? All of us do.

Why do we do this? Because we know that our offense tends to only get tough when they either (A) Have no other choice, or (B) they get a gift from our own defense and know that there's expectations attached to that gift."

The day this offense is truly, definitively, "tough" will be when the defense can be awful and we still win somehow because the offense kept churning out points.


The offense did not show toughness last year when it won 10 regular season games (most of them without AJ) and the last three wins with a rookie 5th round QB that wasn't even invited to scouting combine? Not tough when, with Yates, they rallied from 16 points behind at Cincinnati. Not tough when they often simply lined up and ran the ball right down the throat of the defense, despite 8 or 9 men in the box? Perhaps you are confusing the word "tough" with "sexy"?

GP 11-08-2012 12:46 PM

Re: Michael Lombardi's Midseason Super Bowl Pick
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by dalemurphy (Post 2052998)
The offense did not show toughness last year when it won 10 regular season games (most of them without AJ) and the last three wins with a rookie 5th round QB that wasn't even invited to scouting combine? Not tough when, with Yates, they rallied from 16 points behind at Cincinnati. Not tough when they often simply lined up and ran the ball right down the throat of the defense, despite 8 or 9 men in the box? Perhaps you are confusing the word "tough" with "sexy"?

No, I'm talking about them sitting on their asses in games this year they should have been off to the races from the opening whistle, Dale.

When we sit at home and watch 2 or 3 opening possessions by the Texans' offense and it stagnates and flounders...that's unsatisfactory for as long as Kubiak has had this core of offense playing together. Unsatisfactory.

Our offense floundered in the Dolphins game in the same manner until the defense finally did SO much, in the form of creating turnovers, that the offense was in backs-to-the-wall mode. What does it take to wake up this Texans offense? A helluva' lot more than it should.

They play with a calm and ease that, IMO, is good in some regards and really unfortunate in others. In the Green Bay game, what would have happened if the offense was so explosive right out of the gate that it motivated the defense to overcome its problems that night?

I'm beyond the whole Kubiak bashing thing. I'm into a mode of being critically objective about issues, and this issue with a consistently "slow starting" offense is a huge pain in the ass. It should not be happening. They want to take a nap after racing out to a 14 or 21-point lead? Fine. But they want to dick around for half the game before putting up points? We won't beat teams who race out to leads like Green Bay or Atlanta or Patriots.

Love the calm, but it's also been a detriment at times too. Period.

The Pencil Neck 11-08-2012 01:13 PM

Re: Michael Lombardi's Midseason Super Bowl Pick
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by GP (Post 2053116)
No, I'm talking about them sitting on their asses in games this year they should have been off to the races from the opening whistle, Dale.

When we sit at home and watch 2 or 3 opening possessions by the Texans' offense and it stagnates and flounders...that's unsatisfactory for as long as Kubiak has had this core of offense playing together. Unsatisfactory.

Our offense floundered in the Dolphins game in the same manner until the defense finally did SO much, in the form of creating turnovers, that the offense was in backs-to-the-wall mode. What does it take to wake up this Texans offense? A helluva' lot more than it should.

They play with a calm and ease that, IMO, is good in some regards and really unfortunate in others. In the Green Bay game, what would have happened if the offense was so explosive right out of the gate that it motivated the defense to overcome its problems that night?

I'm beyond the whole Kubiak bashing thing. I'm into a mode of being critically objective about issues, and this issue with a consistently "slow starting" offense is a huge pain in the ass. It should not be happening. They want to take a nap after racing out to a 14 or 21-point lead? Fine. But they want to dick around for half the game before putting up points? We won't beat teams who race out to leads like Green Bay or Atlanta or Patriots.

Love the calm, but it's also been a detriment at times too. Period.

This is exactly what I was talking about a few weeks ago about unrealistic expectations. Every team has possessions where things don't go right. Every team has some three and outs and has to punt. Most games have an ebb and flow.

In perhaps the greatest offensive display of all time over the course of a season, the 2007 Patriots still punted 2.75 times per game. Most winning teams win without having to be nearly as perfect as you're demanding of the Texans.

You say our offense was "sputtering" against the Bills and yet, we had a good game. If a defense allowed 375 yards per game (the amount of yards we had against the Bills), they'd give up 6000 yards in that season and that's a bad season.

I'm not saying that our offense played as well as it could play and I'm not saying that they don't have things they need to improve, but it's kind of silly to set the bar so high that you can never be satisfied.

GP 11-08-2012 01:41 PM

Re: Michael Lombardi's Midseason Super Bowl Pick
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by The Pencil Neck (Post 2053132)
This is exactly what I was talking about a few weeks ago about unrealistic expectations. Every team has possessions where things don't go right. Every team has some three and outs and has to punt. Most games have an ebb and flow.

In perhaps the greatest offensive display of all time over the course of a season, the 2007 Patriots still punted 2.75 times per game. Most winning teams win without having to be nearly as perfect as you're demanding of the Texans.

You say our offense was "sputtering" against the Bills and yet, we had a good game. If a defense allowed 375 yards per game (the amount of yards we had against the Bills), they'd give up 6000 yards in that season and that's a bad season.

I'm not saying that our offense played as well as it could play and I'm not saying that they don't have things they need to improve, but it's kind of silly to set the bar so high that you can never be satisfied.

Never be satisfied? I'd take a 14 or 21-point early lead in like 3 games out of the year, bro. Not every game.

I just want to see them DO IT. But they can't. Sandbaggin' bastards.

beerlover 11-08-2012 01:50 PM

Re: Michael Lombardi's Midseason Super Bowl Pick
 
no love given Gary Kubiak for Coach of the Year :ant:

The Pencil Neck 11-08-2012 01:57 PM

Re: Michael Lombardi's Midseason Super Bowl Pick
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by GP (Post 2053169)
Never be satisfied? I'd take a 14 or 21-point early lead in like 3 games out of the year, bro. Not every game.

I just want to see them DO IT. But they can't. Sandbaggin' bastards.


What do you want? 21-0 at the end of the 1st quarter? Maybe you should be a little more patient and let the game develop a bit.

24-3 at halftime.
17-0 at halftime.
14-0 after the first quarter, 28-7 by the end of the third.
29-3 at halftime.

GP 11-08-2012 03:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Pencil Neck (Post 2053183)
What do you want? 21-0 at the end of the 1st quarter? Maybe you should be a little more patient and let the game develop a bit.

24-3 at halftime.
17-0 at halftime.
14-0 after the first quarter, 28-7 by the end of the third.
29-3 at halftime.

Key words in your post: AT HALFTIME.

I want 14 or 21 in the first quarter, early 2nd...yeah, this offense is good enough to do that routinely.

Instead, it's by halftime. It's after pissing away several possessions in the 1st qtr.

The Pencil Neck 11-08-2012 04:18 PM

Re: Michael Lombardi's Midseason Super Bowl Pick
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by GP (Post 2053251)
Key words in your post: AT HALFTIME.

I want 14 or 21 in the first quarter, early 2nd...yeah, this offense is good enough to do that routinely.

Instead, it's by halftime. It's after pissing away several possessions in the 1st qtr.

Like I said.

You need to be more patient. You've got unrealistic expectations about what an offense should do.

The Green Bay Packers 15-1 season last year. They had one of the highest scoring offenses ever. They had 4 14 point leads over the whole season and never had more than that. They scored 21 points in the 1st quarter twice. But they were either tied or losing after the first quarter 6 times. Their average score after 1 period was 8.8 to 4.125.

What I'm getting from you is that you would not have been pleased by that horrible lack of production. I mean... losing after the 1st quarter SIX TIMES!?

The Texans after 8 games have had 1 14 point lead after 1 quarter. We were tied or losing 3 times.

But it's just the first quarter. The first quarter is a chance to figure out how teams are playing you so you can take advantage of them later. The only score that matters is the score at the end of the game and as long as we're winning at that point, nothing else matters much.

ObsiWan 11-08-2012 08:07 PM

Re: Michael Lombardi's Midseason Super Bowl Pick
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by GP (Post 2053116)
No, I'm talking about them sitting on their asses in games this year they should have been off to the races from the opening whistle, Dale.

When we sit at home and watch 2 or 3 opening possessions by the Texans' offense and it stagnates and flounders...that's unsatisfactory for as long as Kubiak has had this core of offense playing together. Unsatisfactory.

Our offense floundered in the Dolphins game in the same manner until the defense finally did SO much, in the form of creating turnovers, that the offense was in backs-to-the-wall mode. What does it take to wake up this Texans offense? A helluva' lot more than it should.

They play with a calm and ease that, IMO, is good in some regards and really unfortunate in others. In the Green Bay game, what would have happened if the offense was so explosive right out of the gate that it motivated the defense to overcome its problems that night?

I'm beyond the whole Kubiak bashing thing. I'm into a mode of being critically objective about issues, and this issue with a consistently "slow starting" offense is a huge pain in the ass. It should not be happening. They want to take a nap after racing out to a 14 or 21-point lead? Fine. But they want to dick around for half the game before putting up points? We won't beat teams who race out to leads like Green Bay or Atlanta or Patriots.

Love the calm, but it's also been a detriment at times too. Period.

Seriously??
You cannot possibly reeeeally believe the offense - Matt Schaub, Andre Johnson, Owen Daniels, Duane Brown, et. al. are all just "sitting on their asses", as you said, and PURPOSELY refusing to put up any points early in games and deciding when and were they score some points.

Seriously??? What next?? They're all doing it just to frustrate you personally??

...Lawd have mercy...
:mariopalm:

GP 11-08-2012 08:11 PM

Re: Michael Lombardi's Midseason Super Bowl Pick
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ObsiWan (Post 2053402)
Seriously??
You cannot possibly reeeeally believe the offense - Matt Schaub, Andre Johnson, Owen Daniels, Duane Brown, et. al. are all just "sitting on their asses", as you said, and PURPOSELY refusing to put up any points early in games and deciding when and were they score some points.

Seriously??? What next?? They're all doing it just to frustrate you personally??

...Lawd have mercy...
:mariopalm:

This isn't about intentional actions.

This isn't about me having overly huge ambitions for the offense.

This is about those guys scoring a TD on an opening drive, getting the ball back and scoring another TD, and doing that one more time out of the next possession or two.

They're good enough to do that, especially against weak-ass teams like the Bills. Do you not agree?


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