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Goldensilence 10-27-2012 05:39 PM

Kraft: "London ready for own NFL team"
 
http://espn.go.com/boston/nfl/story/...ready-own-team

I think that's a pretty bold statement...who is going to want to make that flight? It would really put the team at a disadvantage.

I think the NFL would be better served to try to bring back NFL Europe than have a team based in London playing in the U.S.

rmartin65 10-27-2012 05:44 PM

Re: Kraft: "London ready for own NFL team"
 
Ugh. The city very well may be, but the travel is ridiculous. I agree with the OP, bring back an NFL Europe-type league.

Vinny 10-27-2012 05:58 PM

Re: Kraft: "London ready for own NFL team"
 
If we were on one of the coasts we would make this long a trip all the time when going to the other coast of the US> NY to London is shorter than NY to Seattle from what I gather. This London team thing is probably going to happen one day soon from the chatter I've seen. West coast teams won't like the trip much though.

GlassHalfFull 10-27-2012 06:02 PM

Re: Kraft: "London ready for own NFL team"
 
Send the jags. They are playing 2 games a year there anyway. :kitten:

Khari 10-27-2012 06:12 PM

Re: Kraft: "London ready for own NFL team"
 
boo @ overseas games

Wolf 10-27-2012 06:18 PM

Re: Kraft: "London ready for own NFL team"
 
Agree with Khari

Stemp 10-27-2012 06:26 PM

Re: Kraft: "London ready for own NFL team"
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Wolf (Post 2046190)
Agree with Khari

If the Concorde was still in service, it wouldn't be that bad.

welsh texan 10-27-2012 06:29 PM

Re: Kraft: "London ready for own NFL team"
 
There are a myriad of reasons why NFL Europe failed. What it comes down to is that it wasn't a good standard. And it never will be.

Wembley sells out for the International Series every time its played, but really I'm unsure whether a London team would really work.

I'm not travelling to London for every home game, its a 12 hour round trip if you're lucky. I'm not changing teams from the Texans to a new team in London, although I'd likely get behind them to some extent.

When you are at the IS, every single NFL team is represented in the crowd, the vast majority of people have jersey's on etc so you can tell. But it's once, soon to be twice a year.

Also, Wembley isn't a great stadium to watch NFL in, and they won't be invited to host a team there anyway. Apart from possibly the Olympic stadium which a couple of soccer teams are after (which would be terrible for either sport) you try finding somewhere to build a stadium in London. Chelsea have lost out on Battersea, then after that its really hard to imagine where they are going to buy.

I just can't see it and I can't see it working out well long term if it does.

houstonspartan 10-27-2012 06:37 PM

Re: Kraft: "London ready for own NFL team"
 
Every time I've gone to Europe, the flight and jet lag wore me OUT. After I arrived, I spent at least two days adjusting to the time change.

Maybe we're going to get all "Star Trek" in the near future, where we can teleport thousands of miles in three seconds; until then, there will never, ever, ever, be an NFL team in Europe.


I think the owners say that every time there's a game in London because they want to build support for the actual game. But, realistically, the NFL won't go to Europe. I can't see it.

Stemp 10-27-2012 06:45 PM

Re: Kraft: "London ready for own NFL team"
 
Now that I think about it, if the team had facilities and another base of operations on the East Coast, it wouldn't be that bad. For weeks where their next game was in the US,they could stay on the East Coast. For home games, they stay in London. It could work :thinking:

steelbtexan 10-27-2012 06:48 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Khari (Post 2046187)
boo @ overseas games

^^^^
This

This is just another thing that God'ell is ramming down that fans throat at the behest of Kraft,Mara,Rooney etc....

Wolf 10-27-2012 06:52 PM

Re: Kraft: "London ready for own NFL team"
 
They would say goodbye to any Thursday games unless the team was coming off a bye week( visiting)

welsh texan 10-27-2012 07:43 PM

Re: Kraft: "London ready for own NFL team"
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Wolf (Post 2046218)
They would say goodbye to any Thursday games unless the team was coming off a bye week( visiting)

They wouldn't want to play in 'Prime Time' anyway, when the Texans kick off at noon that's a 6pm start here, when they play late it's 9pm, when they play prime time we're talking 1 or 2 am on a work night.

So talk of the time-difference getting to people is somewhat silly I think. What time is the London game starting tomorrow? Pretty similar to the rest of the games I believe, the UK audience would prefer what you call noon games which would suit the NFL because the home audience always is in prime time, and the other team never have to adjust to local time.

The problems really don't lie in the logistics anywhere near as much as some people would like to think. There would be little to no issue with time difference, it would be fly in-fly out (possibly for both teams) without even noticing the time zone, the Texans played on Monday night in NYC, what time did they get back to Houston Airport? What time did they get home? Early hours of the morning? Not so early hours of the morning? An away team playing in London could fly back straight after the game and get back around 10-11pm quite comfortably.

Luv_ya_blue 10-27-2012 08:00 PM

Re: Kraft: "London ready for own NFL team"
 
NY to London = 3465 miles

Seattle to NY = 2404 miles

Houston to London (fwiw) = 4854 miles

San Fran to London = 5360 miles

ChampionTexan 10-27-2012 08:24 PM

Re: Kraft: "London ready for own NFL team"
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Luv_ya_blue (Post 2046258)
NY to London = 3465 miles

Seattle to NY = 2404 miles

Houston to London (fwiw) = 4854 miles

San Fran to London = 5360 miles

There's also anywhere from a 5 to an 8 hour time difference (US locales and London), as opposed to a 3 hour time difference between Seattle and NY.

Hervoyel 10-27-2012 08:25 PM

Re: Kraft: "London ready for own NFL team"
 
It is the National Football League. It's not the World Football League or the International Football League.

The day they put a team in London, or Mexico City, or Toronto is going to be a very bad day for NFL fans everywhere. How much do these *******s have to own? How much money is enough?

If they want a league in England start a damn league in England but don't cannibalize your league here to make it happen. I love football and I love NFL football but to be entirely honest there's not one single NFL owner (and this includes Bob McNair) that I don't deep down inside think is a money grubbing slug. It's just what they are. It's their nature. There's not enough money in the universe to fill the hole inside each of them. They have a very good thing going but they seem bound and determined to screw it up if they can find a way. Their biggest problem is simple greed but running a close second is this inability to grasp the concept that more football is not necessarily a good thing. They'll get it up to 20 games a year and have teams all around the world before I die I imagine and even then they'll be trying to break the hot dog vendors union over the price of mustard because they think they're paying too much.

houstonspartan 10-27-2012 08:30 PM

Re: Kraft: "London ready for own NFL team"
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Stemp (Post 2046213)
Now that I think about it, if the team had facilities and another base of operations on the East Coast, it wouldn't be that bad. For weeks where their next game was in the US,they could stay on the East Coast. For home games, they stay in London. It could work :thinking:

No, it would not. Even from the East Coast, you're still looking at a 6 hour flight. That's on top of a time zone change of PLUS four hours, so you're losing four hours when you arrive in London. And that's just one way.

On the return trip, you're likely looking at 8 hours (because you're flying West, against the Earth's rotation). So, round trip, you're looking at roughly 14 hours on an airplane. Just to play a football game. Won't happen.

houstonspartan 10-27-2012 08:32 PM

Re: Kraft: "London ready for own NFL team"
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Hervoyel (Post 2046274)
It is the National Football League. It's not the World Football League or the International Football League.

The day they put a team in London, or Mexico City, or Toronto is going to be a very bad day for NFL fans everywhere. How much do these *******s have to own? How much money is enough?

If they want a league in England start a damn league in England but don't cannibalize your league here to make it happen. I love football and I love NFL football but to be entirely honest there's not one single NFL owner (and this includes Bob McNair) that I don't deep down inside think is a money grubbing slug. It's just what they are. It's their nature. There's not enough money in the universe to fill the hole inside each of them. They have a very good thing going but they seem bound and determined to screw it up if they can find a way. Their biggest problem is simple greed but running a close second is this inability to grasp the concept that more football is not necessarily a good thing. They'll get it up to 20 games a year and have teams all around the world before I die I imagine and even then they'll be trying to break the hot dog vendors union over the price of mustard because they think they're paying too much.

I don't mind them expanding Internationally. I just don't think the logistics of Europe would ever work. Mexico City and Toronto would be fine, because they're fairly close.

houstonspartan 10-27-2012 08:39 PM

Re: Kraft: "London ready for own NFL team"
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by welsh texan (Post 2046252)
They wouldn't want to play in 'Prime Time' anyway, when the Texans kick off at noon that's a 6pm start here, when they play late it's 9pm, when they play prime time we're talking 1 or 2 am on a work night.

So talk of the time-difference getting to people is somewhat silly I think. What time is the London game starting tomorrow? Pretty similar to the rest of the games I believe, the UK audience would prefer what you call noon games which would suit the NFL because the home audience always is in prime time, and the other team never have to adjust to local time.

The problems really don't lie in the logistics anywhere near as much as some people would like to think. There would be little to no issue with time difference, it would be fly in-fly out (possibly for both teams) without even noticing the time zone, the Texans played on Monday night in NYC, what time did they get back to Houston Airport? What time did they get home? Early hours of the morning? Not so early hours of the morning? An away team playing in London could fly back straight after the game and get back around 10-11pm quite comfortably.

Seriously?


Think you may be missing the point. NYC to Houston is a flight of about three hours. London to Houston is about EIGHT HOURS. (I've done it). It's not so much the time change, it's the time change AND spending long amounts of time on an airplane. And that's one way.

Fly in and fly out without noticing the time change? Um, no. Even if you slept well on an airplane (which not everyone does), the body's circadian rhythms would still be screwed up, because your body is flying through several time zones rapidly. That's why it's called JET LAG.

Your "fly in, fly out" scenario calls for about 14 or 15 hours just in the air, for one weekend. Sorry, but, I just don't see how that works.

Hookem Horns 10-27-2012 08:50 PM

Re: Kraft: "London ready for own NFL team"
 
This is ridiculous. It's called American Football for a reason. I don't see the English considering putting an EPL team in the US.

Toronto would not be big deal to me. Canada is very much like the US and all of the major sports here already have teams in Canada.

Mexico City? Not sure about that one. Would they have Gringo Heritage Month down there when the rest of the teams up here are doing the Hispanic Heritage thing? Plus Mexico is not a stable country. How many NFL players would start getting kidnapped by the cartels?


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