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CloakNNNdagger 10-25-2012 08:03 PM

Ever Think the Cowboys Would Try to Mimic the Texans
 
Times they are a'changin'.

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October 24, 2012
Vickers: Cowboys can follow lead of 2011 Texans, persevere in wake of Lee's injury
Dallas Cowboys fullback Lawrence Vickers, a seventh-year NFL veteran, responded to the news about season-ending surgery for linebacker/team leader Sean Lee by preaching the gospel of the 2011 Houston Texans.

Vickers, a fullback in Houston last season, watched the team lose star after star _ defensive end Mario Williams, quarterback Matt Schaub, receiver Andre Johnson _ to a series of lengthy or season-ending injuries. Yet the Texans persevered and won the first division title and playoff game in franchise history. Asked if he’d ever been around a team that lost more key players in one season, Vickers said: “No.”

“Last year in Houston, it seemed like we had somebody go down every week,” Vickers said. “But after a while, we got used to it. When a guy goes down, the next guy steps up and it becomes his job. And you keep on ticking. Everybody’s a starter, man. That’s how you’ve got to prepare.”

Vickers said he shared his experiences today with Cowboys teammates’ to remind them that, at 3-3, there is a lot of season left to salvage without Lee if they do not give in to adversity.

“Absolutely,” Vickers said. “That’s how you know what type of team you’ve got.”
http://sportsblogs.star-telegram.com...#storylink=cpy

Playoffs 10-25-2012 08:06 PM

Re: Ever Think the Cowboys Would Try to Mimic the Texans
 
Now we're the "good example" ..... we used to be the "bad example" for so long. :ahhaha:

GP 10-25-2012 11:39 PM

News Flash, Lawrence: You were on a helluva' team last year, bro.

Soooooo....uhh...yeah, your new team is scuh-rewed.

BattleRedToro 10-26-2012 12:01 AM

Re: Ever Think the Cowboys Would Try to Mimic the Texans
 
The first place they should start is getting some classy fans.

Showtime100 10-26-2012 12:41 AM

Re: Ever Think the Cowboys Would Try to Mimic the Texans
 
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Originally Posted by BattleRedToro (Post 2045379)
The first place they should start is getting some classy fans.

I hate to say this, I really do, but I believe this as fact. If Dallas' fanbase consisted only of Dallasites present and former, they would not have the bad fan reputation they do.

It has seemed to me for years the horrible Dallas fans are the ones that never lived there. The ones I grew up with in Houston come to mind first, the ones in Austin second. All the cool ones are from there.

HoustonFrog 10-26-2012 07:37 AM

Re: Ever Think the Cowboys Would Try to Mimic the Texans
 
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Originally Posted by Showtime100 (Post 2045394)
I hate to say this, I really do, but I believe this as fact. If Dallas' fanbase consisted only of Dallasites present and former, they would not have the bad fan reputation they do.

It has seemed to me for years the horrible Dallas fans are the ones that never lived there. The ones I grew up with in Houston come to mind first, the ones in Austin second. All the cool ones are from there.


As a Dallas fan that grew up in Ft. Worth, I can see this a little but I also see the other side of things too. Houston fans pride themselves on being "classy" and being here and seeing ya'll towards your team, I agree somewhat. But I wouldn't call Houston fans..the city.. in general that way. Living there and hearing the constant Cowboy hate talk on the radio, even when the Texans were a subject really turned me off. I've even seen the best Texans fans admit the city suffers from a little brother syndrome that has made people for years just obsess with Cowboy talk. I always tell people it goes both ways. You get bad Cowboy fans because you taunt the lion in the cage by constantly discussing Cowboy hate and fans. Chicken or the egg. Overall when I first moved to Houston in 1993, I didn't get that as much from Oiler fan and I was an Oiler fan as a secondary team. I'm going GP and babbling here...:)..but my point is there are bad fans in every lot. BUT I do get where you are coming from somewhat because 90% of the people I know who root for the Cowboys grew up with or around me in the DFW area.

Here is an example of trash fans hating...Soldier/Cowboy Fan who lost legs in Afghanistan taunted at bar after Panther game

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...ball-fans.html

HJam72 10-26-2012 07:43 AM

Re: Ever Think the Cowboys Would Try to Mimic the Texans
 
Oh, they're just jealous 'cause we won a playoff game. :)

Seriously though, only bad Cowboys fans I've actually heard are the ones on the radio and other media. The media tends attract bad fans of all teams.

Getting away from the media, the bad fans are usually the band-wagoners for whatever team won the last SB or that they started the season off thinking would. The Saints come to mind, although a lot of their bandwagoners are probably jumping ship right now.

TexanSam 10-26-2012 07:49 AM

Re: Ever Think the Cowboys Would Try to Mimic the Texans
 
If they wanted to mimic the Texans then it would start at the top. Bob McNair is patient (probably too patient). Jerry Jones is not. But there's something to be said that by the end of this football season, the Texans will probably have more playoffs win in the last 15 years than the Cowboys will.

thunderkyss 10-26-2012 07:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Playoffs (Post 2045226)
Now we're the "good example" ..... we used to be the "bad example" for so long. :ahhaha:

True, but it's too late for the Cowboys. What made last year's "next man up" thing work so well was the work that Kubiak did 6 years ago, starting with arranging a face to face between McNair & Rick Smith.

This team is deep & looks like they're always looking at the future. We've had a couple of Duds, but we've hit far more studs over that time.

Next man up, that's the way this team was built.

HoustonFrog 10-26-2012 08:09 AM

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Originally Posted by TexanSam (Post 2045453)
If they wanted to mimic the Texans then it would start at the top. Bob McNair is patient (probably too patient). Jerry Jones is not. But there's something to be said that by the end of this football season, the Texans will probably have more playoffs win in the last 15 years than the Cowboys will.

Jerry has been more patient than people think..not McNair patient, but patient.. I know it doesn't seem that way but most of the coaches they have had...some bad ones..have stayed a year or 2 too long. The one he got rid of quickly...Gailey..was alot better than Campo and I'd even say Garrett right now. Wade, a great coordinator..should have left the year before. Same with Parcells, who was just riding it out. His issue is that he wants to look patient but that isn't his nature. I think he just confuses himself.

If you really want to laugh and see how the Dallas media thinks Jones talks in circles, listen to the Fake Jerry Jones on the Ticket in Dallas. Some of the funniest stuff.."it is, but it isn't." The Fake Garrett..they think he is a robot.

http://www.theunticket.com/fake-jerry-jason-10-15-12/

Playoffs 10-26-2012 08:31 AM

Re: Ever Think the Cowboys Would Try to Mimic the Texans
 
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Originally Posted by BattleRedToro (Post 2045379)
The first place they should start is getting some classy fans.

What sucks about Cowboys fans, if you go to a game and sit in the high dollar seats, is they sit on their hands. Both the old & new stadium experience is quiet. You leave Reliant with your ears ringing.

As far as class, those fans far outclass the owner. Jerruh don't fit in Highland Park.

paycheck71 10-26-2012 01:44 PM

Re: Ever Think the Cowboys Would Try to Mimic the Texans
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Showtime100 (Post 2045394)
I hate to say this, I really do, but I believe this as fact. If Dallas' fanbase consisted only of Dallasites present and former, they would not have the bad fan reputation they do.

It has seemed to me for years the horrible Dallas fans are the ones that never lived there. The ones I grew up with in Houston come to mind first, the ones in Austin second. All the cool ones are from there.

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Originally Posted by HoustonFrog (Post 2045442)
As a Dallas fan that grew up in Ft. Worth, I can see this a little but I also see the other side of things too. Houston fans pride themselves on being "classy" and being here and seeing ya'll towards your team, I agree somewhat. But I wouldn't call Houston fans..the city.. in general that way. Living there and hearing the constant Cowboy hate talk on the radio, even when the Texans were a subject really turned me off. I've even seen the best Texans fans admit the city suffers from a little brother syndrome that has made people for years just obsess with Cowboy talk. I always tell people it goes both ways. You get bad Cowboy fans because you taunt the lion in the cage by constantly discussing Cowboy hate and fans. Chicken or the egg. Overall when I first moved to Houston in 1993, I didn't get that as much from Oiler fan and I was an Oiler fan as a secondary team. I'm going GP and babbling here...:)..but my point is there are bad fans in every lot. BUT I do get where you are coming from somewhat because 90% of the people I know who root for the Cowboys grew up with or around me in the DFW area.

Here is an example of trash fans hating...Soldier/Cowboy Fan who lost legs in Afghanistan taunted at bar after Panther game

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...ball-fans.html

The Cowboys are a lightning rod like other nationally popular teams (Lakers, Yankees) because they attract a lot of bandwagon fans. So that explains some of the hate for the Cowboys in Houston. You'll find the same sentiment in most other cities, but maybe not to the same extent. I lived in both Houston and Dallas for extended periods of time, Dallas being the most recent one, and I kind of agree with both of you. I think Cowboys fans from the Metroplex ARE different than those who have no Dallas ties. A lot of my friends are Cowboys fans, and they actually ask me about the Texans from time to time. I also think some Texans fans are a little too jumpy about the Cowboys and think there is some rivalry between the teams, when there really isn't.

Errant Hothy 10-26-2012 01:59 PM

Re: Ever Think the Cowboys Would Try to Mimic the Texans
 
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Originally Posted by HoustonFrog (Post 2045465)
Jerry has been more patient than people think..not McNair patient, but patient.. I know it doesn't seem that way but most of the coaches they have had...some bad ones..have stayed a year or 2 too long. The one he got rid of quickly...Gailey..was alot better than Campo and I'd even say Garrett right now. Wade, a great coordinator..should have left the year before. Same with Parcells, who was just riding it out. His issue is that he wants to look patient but that isn't his nature. I think he just confuses himself.

If you really want to laugh and see how the Dallas media thinks Jones talks in circles, listen to the Fake Jerry Jones on the Ticket in Dallas. Some of the funniest stuff.."it is, but it isn't." The Fake Garrett..they think he is a robot.

http://www.theunticket.com/fake-jerry-jason-10-15-12/

Patience or not, Jerry's biggst problem is his ego. As an owner he is one of the best in the NFL and as a GM he is in he bottom 5; and there is the problem. You can no longer seperate Jerry the owner from Jerry the GM.

paycheck71 10-26-2012 02:03 PM

Re: Ever Think the Cowboys Would Try to Mimic the Texans
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by HoustonFrog (Post 2045465)
Jerry has been more patient than people think..not McNair patient, but patient.. I know it doesn't seem that way but most of the coaches they have had...some bad ones..have stayed a year or 2 too long. The one he got rid of quickly...Gailey..was alot better than Campo and I'd even say Garrett right now. Wade, a great coordinator..should have left the year before. Same with Parcells, who was just riding it out. His issue is that he wants to look patient but that isn't his nature. I think he just confuses himself.

If you really want to laugh and see how the Dallas media thinks Jones talks in circles, listen to the Fake Jerry Jones on the Ticket in Dallas. Some of the funniest stuff.."it is, but it isn't." The Fake Garrett..they think he is a robot.

http://www.theunticket.com/fake-jerry-jason-10-15-12/

Jerry wants to look like he knows something about football, but he doesn't. At least not to the degree of an NFL GM. If he really wanted to do his team good, he'd hire a real GM and just watch the games from his box. Then other problems would work themselves out eventually.

Discussing things like "Is Romo good enought?", "Is Garrett a good HC, or just a good OC?", "Who's to blame for the clock management issues, Romo or Garrett?" to me is pointless without talking about Jerry. It all starts at the top, with him.

spurstexanstros 10-26-2012 03:53 PM

Re: Ever Think the Cowboys Would Try to Mimic the Texans
 
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Originally Posted by BattleRedToro (Post 2045379)
The first place they should start is getting some classy fans.

Not freaking possible....I was at Relaint for "Tailgate Gate" and they were as rude and obnoxious as advertised despite their team being 0-2 at the time and on the road to worst season in 15 years. We all saw the brawls in stands and out in lot....they freaking changed our tailgate policy. Cowboy fans are worst fans in all of sports (worldwide)
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Originally Posted by Showtime100 (Post 2045394)
I hate to say this, I really do, but I believe this as fact. If Dallas' fanbase consisted only of Dallasites present and former, they would not have the bad fan reputation they do.

It has seemed to me for years the horrible Dallas fans are the ones that never lived there. The ones I grew up with in Houston come to mind first, the ones in Austin second. All the cool ones are from there.

The ones in the SA area are the worst...complete d-bags..and the worst part is is that they are in the media. (Don Harris..Mike Taylor..David Chancellor..etc) Until recently they wouldnt acknowledge that there was Texans fans here...that is until the watch parties were shown on TV and covered in newspaper. Now they begrudgingly talk about the Texans (IN EVERY SPORTSCAST)....IMO the Cowboy fans can suck it go watch the history channel if you like talking about the past. Its time for us to end the Blue Star Plague.This town and this state are turning Battle Red!!!

(ps guys check out our fanclub on FB Houston Texans Fan Club of San Antonio...we have almost 900 likes/members. If you have family in SA or live there)

chicagotexan2 10-26-2012 04:12 PM

Re: Ever Think the Cowboys Would Try to Mimic the Texans
 
Mantra for the 2012 cowboys -

Next man up to the glory hole. I bet that tshirt would a hot seller in the dfw.

CloakNNNdagger 10-26-2012 05:56 PM

Re: Ever Think the Cowboys Would Try to Mimic the Texans
 
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Originally Posted by chicagotexan2 (Post 2045741)
Mantra for the 2012 cowboys -

Next man up to the glory hole. I bet that tshirt would a hot seller in the dfw.


COWBOYS STADIUM


http://omnipotentpoobah.com/wp-conte.../gloryhole.png

Dang, Jerry, you lied. You said you and your boys wouldn't pull out!

Scooter 10-26-2012 06:25 PM

Re: Ever Think the Cowboys Would Try to Mimic the Texans
 
and if vickers could catch a pass he'd be answering questions about being 6-1.

houstonspartan 10-27-2012 12:36 PM

Re: Ever Think the Cowboys Would Try to Mimic the Texans
 
Cowboys fans are some of the most obnoxious human beings I've ever met. Though, Saints fans are a close second (HATE Saints fans).

Regarding Vickers' point: He's forgetting that the 2011 Texans had depth at almost every position, allowing us to adjust; we also had a head coach that had been here for a while, and they have Richie Cunningham still learning to ride his bike.

No way can the 2012 Cowboys become the 2011 Texans.

paycheck71 10-27-2012 02:11 PM

Re: Ever Think the Cowboys Would Try to Mimic the Texans
 
Jerry has an interesting take on what the job description of a GM is...

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“That is one of the luxuries of my position as owner as well as the ultimate decision maker, general manager and president – I can do that and take the losses and come back for more,” he said this week at Valley Ranch, talking about his management style.

The whole article HERE


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