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Tailgate 10-18-2012 04:19 PM

Dreessen, Ryans, Winston, Brisiel, Leach.
 
Will these guys ultimately be the undoing of our Team?

I knew coming into this season that this would be the year that defines our current regime. I know there is ALOT of ball left to be played, and its certainly possible that we improve on last year. But, I have this bad feeling that these guys are going to ultimately be the death of us.


Dreeseen - We sorely miss his blocking abilities in the 2 TE formation.

Ryans - He was a true leader and the ONLY reason we could afford losing him was because of Cush. We now have a gaping hole in the middle of the field as a result of the injury.

Winston and Brisiel - Well, looks as though these guys are not as easily replacable as we had hoped to this point. It has been a never ending rotation at both positions and I see no light at the end of the tunnel yet as far as long term solutions.

Leach - I know he was gone 2 years ago, and having Casey is fantastic and adds another dimension, but I dont think this balances out positively for us.


The Texans are currently 23rd in the league with a 3.8 ypc average. 23rd in the league. Color me very concerned. Will our playaction continue to be a strength?

Look... the Texans may very well go out and beat Baltimore and everything might be hunky dory. But I feel like we have lost some serious toughness in the O-line and the teeth of our D, the middle (which was already a weakness) is going to be exploited.

And I know we could not afford all of these guys, and its all apart of the business. But man, all the talk was a Super Bowl run after last year, when in reality... its looking almost like a stop gap solution, another playoff hello, until we can fix these areas of the team long term and become true contenders for the Super Bowl.

I would not want to be Kubiak or Phillips right now. But I hope they find the way. A 5-0 head start certaily helps the cause. Lets hope we get that hot again at the end of the season.

Beat Balty! Go Texans!!!

Showtime100 10-18-2012 04:22 PM

Re: Dreessen, Ryans, Winston, Brisiel, Leach.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Tailgate (Post 2040201)
Will these guys ultimately be the undoing of our Team?

I knew coming into this season that this would be the year that defines our current regime. I know there is ALOT of ball left to be played, and its certainly possible that we improve on last year. But, I have this bad feeling that these guys are going to ultimately be the death of us.


Dreeseen - We sorely miss his blocking abilities in the 2 TE formation.

Ryans - He was a true leader and the ONLY reason we could afford losing him was because of Cush. We now have a gaping hole in the middle of the field as a result of the injury.

Winston and Brisiel - Well, looks as though these guys are not as easily replacable as we had hoped to this point. It has been a never ending rotation at both positions and I see no light at the end of the tunnel yet as far as long term solutions.

Leach - I know he was gone 2 years ago, and having Casey is fantastic and adds another dimension, but I dont think this balances out positively for us.


The Texans are currently 23rd in the league with a 3.8 ypc average. 23rd in the league. Color me very concerned. Will our playaction continue to be a strength?

Look... the Texans may very well go out and beat Baltimore and everything might be hunky dory. But I feel like we have lost some serious toughness in the O-line and the teeth of our D, the middle (which was already a weakness) is going to be exploited.

And I know we could not afford all of these guys, and its all apart of the business. But man, all the talk was a Super Bowl run after last year, when in reality... its looking almost like a stop gap solution, another playoff hello, until we can fix these areas of the team long term and become true contenders for the Super Bowl.

I would not want to be Kubiak or Phillips right now. But I hope they find the way. A 5-0 head start certaily helps the cause. Lets hope we get that hot again at the end of the season.

Beat Balty! Go Texans!!!

It would be nice if we could keep them all, but HOLY SH=
T it doesn't work that way.

srrono 10-18-2012 04:26 PM

Re: Dreessen, Ryans, Winston, Brisiel, Leach.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Tailgate (Post 2040201)
Will these guys ultimately be the undoing of our Team?

I knew coming into this season that this would be the year that defines our current regime. I know there is ALOT of ball left to be played, and its certainly possible that we improve on last year. But, I have this bad feeling that these guys are going to ultimately be the death of us.


Dreeseen - We sorely miss his blocking abilities in the 2 TE formation.

Ryans - He was a true leader and the ONLY reason we could afford losing him was because of Cush. We now have a gaping hole in the middle of the field as a result of the injury.

Winston and Brisiel - Well, looks as though these guys are not as easily replacable as we had hoped to this point. It has been a never ending rotation at both positions and I see no light at the end of the tunnel yet as far as long term solutions.

Leach - I know he was gone 2 years ago, and having Casey is fantastic and adds another dimension, but I dont think this balances out positively for us.


The Texans are currently 23rd in the league with a 3.8 ypc average. 23rd in the league. Color me very concerned. Will our playaction continue to be a strength?

Look... the Texans may very well go out and beat Baltimore and everything might be hunky dory. But I feel like we have lost some serious toughness in the O-line and the teeth of our D, the middle (which was already a weakness) is going to be exploited.

And I know we could not afford all of these guys, and its all apart of the business. But man, all the talk was a Super Bowl run after last year, when in reality... its looking almost like a stop gap solution, another playoff hello, until we can fix these areas of the team long term and become true contenders for the Super Bowl.

I would not want to be Kubiak or Phillips right now. But I hope they find the way. A 5-0 head start certaily helps the cause. Lets hope we get that hot again at the end of the season.

Beat Balty! Go Texans!!!

Not Texans Thread belongs in NFL section

badboy 10-18-2012 04:26 PM

Re: Dreessen, Ryans, Winston, Brisiel, Leach.
 
Only complaint I now have is I wished we could have gotten a pick for Winston.

Tailgate 10-18-2012 04:27 PM

Re: Dreessen, Ryans, Winston, Brisiel, Leach.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Showtime100 (Post 2040204)
It would be nice if we could keep them all, but HOLY SH=
T it doesn't work that way.

I already get all of that. But there is so much grey area in terms of contracts, bad contracts, bad decisions, restructuring, expecting to even be able to make a certain move due to what they feel is a sufficient enough replacement etc. And alot of that is or is not on them... so its not all that black and white. The point was could we counter the losses with the proper replacements, adding strenghts in other areas, and be a BETTER team this year than last. And its starting to feel like NO.

Tailgate 10-18-2012 04:29 PM

Re: Dreessen, Ryans, Winston, Brisiel, Leach.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ckhouston (Post 2040218)
Not Texans thread and the answer is no ... move on already.

It has everything to do with the Texans currently.

Showtime100 10-18-2012 04:31 PM

Re: Dreessen, Ryans, Winston, Brisiel, Leach.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Tailgate (Post 2040214)
I already get all of that. But there is so much grey area in terms of contracts, bad contracts, bad decisions, restructuring, expecting to even be able to make a certain move due to what they feel is a sufficient enough replacement etc. And alot of that is or is not on them... so its not all that black and white. The point was could we counter the losses with the proper replacements, adding strenghts in other areas, and be a BETTER team this year than last. And its starting to feel like NO.

Cool.

Tailgate 10-18-2012 04:41 PM

Re: Dreessen, Ryans, Winston, Brisiel, Leach.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Showtime100 (Post 2040223)
Cool.

It is what it is.

76Texan 10-18-2012 04:46 PM

Re: Dreessen, Ryans, Winston, Brisiel, Leach.
 
Two things need to be considered:

1. Injury.

If Brisiel played with an ankle injury like he did last year, he wouldn't be any better than Caldwell or Jones (maybe even worse) at the moment.
If Caldwell has been healthy, the O-line would have looked better than it does at the moment.

So in term of RG play, we're not comparing them on the same footing.
Brisiel is playing without injury while Caldwell is playing with several injuries.

2. Continuity on the line.

We expected (or at least the OP should have expected) that in the short term, the lack of continuity on the line doesn't help.
As the year moves along, the line should work better together.

...

76Texan 10-18-2012 04:48 PM

Re: Dreessen, Ryans, Winston, Brisiel, Leach.
 
Next is Newton vs. Winston

Again, we should expect a first-time starter like Newton to hit a few bumps early on.

To compare him with Winston now is not at all fair.

The pick-up of Harris offset the loss of Butler (due to the injury).

JimBaker488 10-18-2012 04:49 PM

Re: Dreessen, Ryans, Winston, Brisiel, Leach.
 
We've been down this road before. Many times.

76Texan 10-18-2012 04:50 PM

Re: Dreessen, Ryans, Winston, Brisiel, Leach.
 
The loss of Dreesen definitely affects the blocking, but Graham's catching ability makes up for it somewhat. Again, Graham is still a young player; he should continue to improve. His blocking is at least adequate, and he can still improve in that area as well.

Thorn 10-18-2012 04:53 PM

Re: Dreessen, Ryans, Winston, Brisiel, Leach.
 
I remember conversations about Graham being the second coming of Owen Daniels. To bad that hasn't happened yet.

76Texan 10-18-2012 04:53 PM

Re: Dreessen, Ryans, Winston, Brisiel, Leach.
 
Leach was too expensive to keep.
Casey's versatility makes up for the blocking.

Only because Cushing went down that we seem to miss Demeco.
Remember how he (Ryans) didn't play very well last year due to injury?

It's the injury to Cushing that didn't help the team.
If Cushing is still healthy, would the OP mention Demeco in his post?

76Texan 10-18-2012 04:57 PM

Re: Dreessen, Ryans, Winston, Brisiel, Leach.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Thorn (Post 2040250)
I remember conversations about Graham being the second coming of Owen Daniels. To bad that hasn't happened yet.

I wasn't in that conversation. I'd rather not place high expectation on a player.

Look, I had "high" expectation on Watt; but he exceeds all that expectation, so I guess my expectation on him wasn't all that high, LOL!

76Texan 10-18-2012 05:01 PM

Re: Dreessen, Ryans, Winston, Brisiel, Leach.
 
On top of it all, Wade Smith has not been doing well due to health issue.
That also affects the line play.

Dutchrudder 10-18-2012 05:03 PM

Re: Dreessen, Ryans, Winston, Brisiel, Leach.
 
You forgot Jason Babin, Tramon Williams and Bernard Pollard.

PapaL 10-18-2012 05:05 PM

76 covered it all very nicely.

/Thread

Norg 10-18-2012 05:16 PM

Re: Dreessen, Ryans, Winston, Brisiel, Leach.
 
Welcome to the AGe of free agency and Cap limit LOL


Dreessen-Yeah he was a put on your miners helmet and lets do work kinda of guy but so is Garrett he was younger he was cheaper and did i mention hes younger faster and prob stronger then dreesseen .........but like alwasy lacks EXP

Winston....i think if said my opn on him he sucks dude in pass protecting is like on roller skates ..i think Newton is a Upgrade to him... give newton time

Brisiel- i liked him but he was hurt and old so yeah it was time

Leech- last year foster proved he didnt need leech to be a star nuff said

i really dont mind the Front office decesion to let these guys go look u gotta keep your core guyz they have a plan and pay scale there going to pay there players in the now and Future

they showed there piroitys are Paying Scahub paying your LT BROWN and in the future prob paying Cushing ...well maybe not now they already payed Andre

i guess next will to Obvs lock up JJWATT if we had kept all thoes guys down the line we would be struggling to Keep JJWATT is that what u WANT !!!!????

Texn4life 10-18-2012 05:20 PM

Re: Dreessen, Ryans, Winston, Brisiel, Leach.
 
Let's just hope everyone becomes pro-bowl type players and then pretend we can magically keep them all when they wanna get paid as their contracts are coming up or get too rich for us to fit under the cap. No reason we can't do all this while paying out core players top dollar too right? Ok, carry on.


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