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BullNation4Life 09-30-2012 11:17 PM

Can we talk about the big fat elephant in the room for a second...
 
What the hell is up with the run defense this year? Are they missing Demeco that badly? It doesn't seem as consistent and it did last season...

This maybe in another thread and I didn't feel like searching, but damn!

I mean this guy >:koolaid:< could run through some of the holes Johnson ran through today...

Playoffs 09-30-2012 11:22 PM

Re: Can we talk about the big fat elephant in the room for a second...
 
Kubiak...
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(on if he’s worried about the run defense, especially after Titans RB Chris Johnson’s breakout game today) “They had a lot of yards at the end of the game too. I don’t know statistically how it comes out. You also have to go back and look at what took place before that last drive when they were running all the draws and we were in that situation. One of the good things is we have had some leads. If we’ve got some leads and people are going to commit to running the football it’s a good thing for our team. You have to look at how the game is going, what you’re trying to do to win, and all I know is we are playing darn good defense. There are always some things you can do better, and obviously that is one of them. We could run the ball better, too. I didn’t like the way we ran today.”
http://www.houstontexans.com/news/ar...4-e5c071f04e92

Showtime100 09-30-2012 11:27 PM

Re: Can we talk about the big fat elephant in the room for a second...
 
I thought you were going to talk about offense on 3rd and 1 or the red zone.

DX-TEX 09-30-2012 11:27 PM

Re: Can we talk about the big fat elephant in the room for a second...
 
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Originally Posted by Playoffs (Post 2025595)

LOTS of CJ's yards came in basically garbage time. I dont believe he was over a 100 until then. Wade also pulled most of our defensive starters the last couple series.

Lucky 09-30-2012 11:28 PM

Re: Can we talk about the big fat elephant in the room for a second...
 
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Originally Posted by BullNation4Life (Post 2025591)
What the hell is up with the run defense this year? ...

Does it matter that the Titans preferred to get some meaningless yards on the ground once the game was in hand? They ran for over 100 yards in the 2nd half when the game was already in hand for the Texans. The Titans were afraid to pass. When Watt & Co. weren't dismantling their QBs, the Texans secondary were posing in the end zone. The run defense was and has been a non-issue.

gtexan02 09-30-2012 11:32 PM

Re: Can we talk about the big fat elephant in the room for a second...
 
Before the game thsi week we were ranked 5th in overall run defense.
We were allowing 67 yards per game (5th)
We had forced 4 fumbles (1st)
We had allowed zero touchdowns (1st)
We were giving up 3.8 yards per carry (10th)

CJ1K racked up a bunch of meaningless stats in garbage time. What exactly are we worried about?
And what do you mean about consistency? This was the first "big" game we've had against us on the ground all year

SCOTTexans 09-30-2012 11:44 PM

Having the Titans run meaningless, works for me.... they where just running down the clock for us

Showtime100 09-30-2012 11:47 PM

Re: Can we talk about the big fat elephant in the room for a second...
 
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Originally Posted by SCOTTexans (Post 2025606)
Having the Titans run meaningless, works for me.... they where just running down the clock for us

What?

Jackie Chiles 09-30-2012 11:54 PM

Re: Can we talk about the big fat elephant in the room for a second...
 
There's certainly room for improvement on this front but aren't we being a little overly dramatic? Elephant in the room, really? There might be something in the room but it sure ain't an elephant. At least you didn't go with "Houston, we have a problem."

Stemp 09-30-2012 11:54 PM

Re: Can we talk about the big fat elephant in the room for a second...
 
Went through the play by play
1st Quarter - 4 runs for 21 yards (5.25 avg , long of 13)
2nd Quarter - 6 runs for 37 yards (6.16 avg, long of 19)
3rd Quarter - 7 runs for 28 yards (4.0 avg, long of 9)
4th Quarter - 8 runs for 55 yards (6.8 avg, long of 15)

So Johnson got over a third of his yards in the 4th quarter, basically garbage time.

Now, also remember that Locker went down early in the first, so the D had to switch from scheming against a running QB to a pure pocket passer, which meant fewer players in the box.

drunkcookie 09-30-2012 11:56 PM

I'm not too too worried, as they buckle down when they need to...but on a few of those good runs early on by Johnson, the Texans front was plain beat and walled off...not sure what to think there because they've actually looked good in the other games (against Mia, Bush was doing a helluva job more than Texans a bad one, today CJSUKs just had to hit one hole and veer outside)...

Jackie Chiles 09-30-2012 11:56 PM

Re: Can we talk about the big fat elephant in the room for a second...
 
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Originally Posted by Stemp (Post 2025611)
Went through the play by play
1st Quarter - 4 runs for 21 yards (5.25 avg , long of 13)
2nd Quarter - 6 runs for 37 yards (6.16 avg, long of 19)
3rd Quarter - 7 runs for 28 yards (4.0 avg, long of 9)
4th Quarter - 8 runs for 55 yards (6.8 avg, long of 15)

So Johnson got over a third of his yards in the 4th quarter, basically garbage time.

Now, also remember that Locker went down early in the first, so the D had to switch from scheming against a running QB to a pure pocket passer, which meant fewer players in the box.

No need to discredit the Tacks, CJ looked good (second time in a year and half?) and their o-line opened up some holes for him. I never felt like we were being gashed and the bottom line is 38-14.

Brisco_County 09-30-2012 11:58 PM

I think the OP is on to something relevant. Chris Johnson didn't get all of his yards in garbage time, and the run defense is not where it was last year. That was apparent in the Dolphins game. I think that Demeco's presence is missed. Not as much for his physical ability, but for his football intelligence.

gtexan02 10-01-2012 12:05 AM

Re: Can we talk about the big fat elephant in the room for a second...
 
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Originally Posted by Brisco_County (Post 2025617)
I think the OP is on to something relevant. Chris Johnson didn't get all of his yards in garbage time, and the run defense is not where it was last year. That was apparent in the Dolphins game. I think that Demeco's presence is missed. Not as much for his physical ability, but for his football intelligence.

We gave up 79 yards against the Dolphins. They averaged 4.2 yards per carry. We gave up 0 touchdowns. We forced 2 (3?) fumbles.


In 2011 our rushing defense gave up 96 yards per game. Other teams averaged 4.1 yards per carry. We gave up 8 TDs (0.5 per game). We forced 8 fumbles (0.5 per game).

So not to be rude, but what are you talking about? Our run defense was nearly identical to 2011. In fact, we were arguably better in many respects.

By the way, the Dolphins are averaging 178 yards per game against teams not named the Texans. So yeah, holding them to 79 is pretty damn good.

Norg 10-01-2012 12:08 AM

Re: Can we talk about the big fat elephant in the room for a second...
 
i think its because we run a 3-4 D and are still not doing our jobs it could also be personal lets face it Dobbins is not a wolrd class ILB and i like cody but hes deff not the COg Runn stopper that forces DOuble teams and everythinf outside

and thoes are the two guys up the middle soooo its got to be on them losing Sharpton was pretty big IMO if he was here our run stop would be better

SCOTTexans 10-01-2012 12:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Showtime100 (Post 2025608)
What?

The Titans kept running the ball even though they were 2 scores behind... they were getting shut down everywhere else.. as i said they were just running out the clock on themselves with no chance of catching back up

toronto 10-01-2012 12:23 AM

Re: Can we talk about the big fat elephant in the room for a second...
 
When you win a game 38-14 that includes one garbage TD as part of that 14....then IMO you have little to worry about on that front.

Your defense is stout and one of the best, if not the best in football. As I said elsewhere, just stay healthy.

Corrosion 10-01-2012 12:26 AM

Re: Can we talk about the big fat elephant in the room for a second...
 
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Originally Posted by DX-TEX (Post 2025599)
LOTS of CJ's yards came in basically garbage time. I dont believe he was over a 100 until then. Wade also pulled most of our defensive starters the last couple series.

He had 58 at halftime. Thats not a bad half's work for any RB .... and the score was close enough that they could still run at that time.

Anything after 28-7 .... I'll concede as garbage time. But they did run effectively in the first half.

Concerned ? Not really but as Kubiak said , there are always things you can do better.

SteveSlaton20 10-01-2012 12:27 AM

Re: Can we talk about the big fat elephant in the room for a second...
 
not that worry about the run game, but i'd take demeco back for bradie james in a heart beat.

Brandon420tx 10-01-2012 12:34 AM

Re: Can we talk about the big fat elephant in the room for a second...
 
58 yards in one half isn't exactly gashing a team


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