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CloakNNNdagger 08-20-2012 12:32 PM

Are we already missing Joel Dreesen?
 
The SF game has me wondering if Graham is not affecting our running game. Dreesen not only had darn good hands, he had strong blocking skills. Graham may be showing flashes of good hands, but his run blocking skills thus far have given me basis for high anxiety.

Playoffs 08-20-2012 12:38 PM

Re: Are we already missing Joel Dreesen?
 
Yes!

I think this is our biggest single loss. Dreessen can block & catch, was big in the run game. It opens up the opportunity for Kubiak to add packages for a playmaker like KeyMart, but I think our offense misses Dreessen.

Honoring Earl 34 08-20-2012 12:41 PM

Re: Are we already missing Joel Dreesen?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by CloakNNNdagger (Post 1998196)
The SF game has me wondering if Graham is not affecting our running game. Dreesen not only had darn good hands, he had strong blocking skills. Graham may be showing flashes of good hands, but his run blocking skills thus far have given me basis for high anxiety.

I would look at a TE in the 1st round if he's worth it . We have H Back type guys who are 6'3 . I want a 6'6 guy around the goal .

Dutchrudder 08-20-2012 01:05 PM

Re: Are we already missing Joel Dreesen?
 
Well, the Broncos gave him 3 years 8.5 million. Unfortunately, I don't think we had the cap space to match that.

Hervoyel 08-20-2012 01:29 PM

Re: Are we already missing Joel Dreesen?
 
I think Graham needs experience. Dreeson wasn't the "Dreeson" we're missing today for his first few years. He gradually became the player we're missing. Graham isn't going to become a viable replacement in just a few preseason games after sitting on the bench for most of his career. It's gonna take time.

NastyNate 08-20-2012 06:47 PM

Re: Are we already missing Joel Dreesen?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by CloakNNNdagger (Post 1998196)
The SF game has me wondering if Graham is not affecting our running game. Dreesen not only had darn good hands, he had strong blocking skills. Graham may be showing flashes of good hands, but his run blocking skills thus far have given me basis for high anxiety.

As much as I LOVED Joel Dreesen, I think it had more to do with the level of competition we were facing (SF is insanely good against the run) with a group of linemen who have only been playing together a few weeks. Another preseason game (I know there are two) and Miami will help tune that up.

He is a much better TE than people give him credit for, I'm going to get flamed but I think I'd rather him over OD given the choice.

Corrosion 08-20-2012 06:49 PM

Re: Are we already missing Joel Dreesen?
 
I'd have liked to have kept Dreesen , sad fact is the cap space just wasnt there to do it.


I thinkthey may sign a blocking TE as some become available as they are cut elsewhere. Brock just hasnt earned his spot on the 53.

The Medic01 08-20-2012 07:04 PM

Re: Are we already missing Joel Dreesen?
 
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Originally Posted by NastyNate (Post 1998418)
As much as I LOVED Joel Dreesen, I think it had more to do with the level of competition we were facing (SF is insanely good against the run) with a group of linemen who have only been playing together a few weeks. Another preseason game (I know there are two) and Miami will help tune that up.

He is a much better TE than people give him credit for, I'm going to get flamed but I think I'd rather him over OD given the choice.

No way he is better than OD. OD is a solid blocker and Dreesen is a very good blocker. The difference is in the pass catching. People like to tout his TDs but those were scheme plays and on 4 of his 6 he was simply wide open. Daniels and Foster took most of the coverage letting him squeeze out of the backside for the easy catch. Just sayin.

BullBlitz 08-20-2012 07:05 PM

Re: Are we already missing Joel Dreesen?
 
Of course we are missing Joel. Also Winston and Breisel.

A team doesn't just take three offensive line players who started side-by-side on the most productive run offense in the league, replace them with three benchwarmers, and not feel the effect.

Our running game is going to suffer, and we are already seeing early signs of it.

drunkcookie 08-20-2012 07:22 PM

Not to be a smartass, or captain obvious or anything, but seeing it's the preseason: no..

Even with that, Foster still averaged over 4 yards-per Sat on 10 carries... His only run the week b4 was 10 yds then he fumbled... Tate also did well the week before...

Too soon to tell either way IMO...

infantrycak 08-20-2012 07:24 PM

Re: Are we already missing Joel Dreesen?
 
Some people are acting like the sky is falling. SF gave up 77 rushing ypg last year. We got 124 yards on them. So yeah we didn't get our normal average against the best run D in the league but they gave up a lot more as well.

drunkcookie 08-20-2012 07:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by infantrycak (Post 1998447)
Some people are acting like the sky is falling. SF gave up 77 rushing ypg last year. We got 124 yards on them. So yeah we didn't get our normal average against the best run D in the league but they gave up a lot more as well.

In the preseason I'll take a stat involving the starting units and work with it, but for the total game? A lot of the guys involved in that 124 yds -for both SF and Hou- will not be on an NFL team in two weeks...

Corrosion 08-20-2012 07:29 PM

Re: Are we already missing Joel Dreesen?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by infantrycak (Post 1998447)
Some people are acting like the sky is falling. SF gave up 77 rushing ypg last year. We got 124 yards on them. So yeah we didn't get our normal average against the best run D in the league but they gave up a lot more as well.

That defense is one of the best I can recall against the run in my 40+ years of watching the NFL.

Like I said in another thread , sometimes you just gotta tip your hat to the other guy's. They're gettin paid too ....


TBH , I want to see these two teams play again this year .... with a :trophy: on the line.

drunkcookie 08-20-2012 07:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BullBlitz (Post 1998433)

and we are already seeing early signs of it.

What signs? Over 4 ypc by Foster Saturday? Foster's only run against Carolina being 10 yds before coughing it up? Tate having a good start last week?

This oline has not sold me yet, don't get me wrong, but it hasn't got me on the edge, either...

SteveSlaton20 08-20-2012 07:41 PM

Re: Are we already missing Joel Dreesen?
 
I think everyone is taking too much into a preseason game, especially against one of the top 3-5 team in the league. Graham and Casey will be fine in the run blocking game.

rush2112mn 08-20-2012 08:24 PM

Re: Are we already missing Joel Dreesen?
 
I think James Casey can take his place myself....the guy is going to be good.....remember his catch last year vs New Orleans?

Sure I am going to miss Joel Dressen....but you can not keep everyone every single year some players are going to leave. Look at a team like the Steelers or Patriots...they lose players...but the next man steps up.....

Get used to it....if you have not already.....we will keep losing players every year.....thats the NFL.....

badboy 08-20-2012 11:51 PM

Re: Are we already missing Joel Dreesen?
 
I am willing to say this team will keep getting better and better. I think Kubes and Wade will correct weaknesses as season progresses.

Rey 08-21-2012 12:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by drunkcookie (Post 1998454)
What signs? Over 4 ypc by Foster Saturday?

I'm not agreeing or disagreeing with your overall point, but fosters stats don't look as good of he doesn't break that long one against the 9ers second teamers.

ThaShark316 08-21-2012 02:23 AM

Re: Are we already missing Joel Dreesen?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Honoring Earl 34 (Post 1998205)
I would look at a TE in the 1st round if he's worth it . We have H Back type guys who are 6'3 . I want a 6'6 guy around the goal .

I'd be willing to bet that they thought about Fleener at 26 in the draft, but Mercilus had fallen into their laps.

I could see a TE being taken by the Texans in the 1st 2 days of the draft in '13. But that's only if Casey's not the guy we (and the staff) thought he was/going to be.

El Tejano 08-21-2012 09:24 AM

Re: Are we already missing Joel Dreesen?
 
I liked the athletic play that Casey made to get a first down for us.


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