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Texn4life 08-12-2012 05:55 PM

Holliday's chances at making the team
 
I understand he'll only be a pure return man, but in my opinion this guy has to be on the team. There are very few players that make u want to watch them every time they touch the ball and he's on that list. I also think it'll make Keshawn a better player being able to focus solely on the receiver position.

rmartin65 08-12-2012 06:04 PM

Re: Holliday's chances at making the team
 
I say he is a bubble player, but he gets the green light in my opinion. The pre-season will be important for him, but he is a huge threat with the ball in his hands.

DexmanC 08-12-2012 06:11 PM

Re: Holliday's chances at making the team
 
I see his chances are good, as Jacoby Jones' position on the team has
always been crucial, as a returner.

I think Kubiak will keep a pure returner if he proves to be special. He'd better
keep hustlin,' though.

Rey 08-12-2012 06:11 PM

I've had trindon making the roster every year since he's been here and I don't see any reason to change that now.

Texn4life 08-12-2012 06:14 PM

Re: Holliday's chances at making the team
 
If we release him he is guaranteed to be on a roster the very next day. I've never seen Kubiak smile to big on the sideline like he was after his big return.

Wolf6151 08-12-2012 06:16 PM

Re: Holliday's chances at making the team
 
It would really be nice to keep Holliday as purely a PR/KR guy but with only 53 roster spots it's hard to justify keeping a guy that can't do anything else. We'll see over the next few weeks if he can catch the ball and MAYBE we keep him as WR#6, if we carry that many. Hopefully he'll improve at WR. I agree it would be nice to allow Keshawn to concentrate on WR only. We'll see, but I'm not sure that Holliday as purely a PR/KR guy, is a luxury we can afford. I also fear the first time a 2nd or 3rd string LB opponent fighting for a roster spot on his team and trying to impress the coaches lays a massive hit on Trindon. I wonder if he'll get up.

EllisUnit 08-12-2012 06:18 PM

Re: Holliday's chances at making the team
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Texn4life (Post 1993686)
I understand he'll only be a pure return man, but in my opinion this guy has to be on the team. There are very few players that make u want to watch them every time they touch the ball and he's on that list. I also think it'll make Keshawn a better player being able to focus solely on the receiver position.

1 return in 1 pre season game HARDLY has me on the edge of my seat every time he touches the ball. BUT with as much depth as we have i "think" he has a good chance to make the team (IF AND ONLY IF he can contantly get us good field position)

Texn4life 08-12-2012 06:23 PM

Re: Holliday's chances at making the team
 
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Originally Posted by EllisUnit (Post 1993696)
1 return in 1 pre season game HARDLY has me on the edge of my seat every time he touches the ball. BUT with as much depth as we have i "think" he has a good chance to make the team (IF AND ONLY IF he can contantly get us good field position)

Then you haven't watched him in college. This guy has rare speed for an NFL player. Any time he touches the ball there's an opportunity for a big play.

BullBlitz 08-12-2012 06:24 PM

Re: Holliday's chances at making the team
 
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Originally Posted by Wolf6151 (Post 1993694)
It would really be nice to keep Holliday as purely a PR/KR guy but with only 53 roster spots it's hard to justify keeping a guy that can't do anything else.

I don't think so.

A good PR/KR is worth a lot, especially since it's been years since we've had a competent one, and we supposed to make a playoff run year.

I don't care if he only does one thing. He's more valuable than a who's a backup linebacker and special teams player.

EllisUnit 08-12-2012 06:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Texn4life (Post 1993697)
Then you haven't watched him in college. This guy has rare speed for an NFL player. Any time he touches the ball there's an opportunity for a big play.

u must not of seen J.J when he came out of college. IF he can translate college success to the NFL and be a good returner on a consistent basis than hell yeah, but you have to earn a roster sopt. 1 Pre season game and one KR dont do that. If we can use that spot for another good prospect at WR then the decesion isnt so easy.

Joeycharp89 08-12-2012 06:34 PM

Re: Holliday's chances at making the team
 
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Originally Posted by BullBlitz (Post 1993698)
I don't think so.

A good PR/KR is worth a lot, especially since it's been years since we've had a competent one, and we supposed to make a playoff run year.

I don't care if he only does one thing. He's more valuable than a who's a backup linebacker and special teams player.


Agreed. He can potentially make our special teams a weapon, instead of just "ok." Look at the Cardinals, Patrick Peterson was like 50% of their offense :P

Texn4life 08-12-2012 06:39 PM

Re: Holliday's chances at making the team
 
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Originally Posted by EllisUnit (Post 1993701)
u must not of seen J.J when he came out of college. IF he can translate college success to the NFL and be a good returner on a consistent basis than hell yeah, but you have to earn a roster sopt. 1 Pre season game and one KR dont do that. If we can use that spot for another good prospect at WR then the decesion isnt so easy.

It wasn't just one return though. He looked good in the return game all night. Just because he only had 1 TD doesn't mean he didn't have other good returns. I agree he'll need to show he can do it consistently but his ability to change a game is a reason Kubiak is giving him a shot.

EllisUnit 08-12-2012 06:41 PM

Re: Holliday's chances at making the team
 
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Originally Posted by Texn4life (Post 1993706)
It wasn't just one return though. He looked good in the return game all night. Just because he only had 1 TD doesn't mean he didn't have other good returns. I agree he'll need to show he can do it consistently but his ability to change a game is a reason Kubiak is giving him a shot.

I said if in pre season he can give us constant good field position than great.

ALSO keep in ming the panthers had the 31st ranked Kick return coverage in the NFL. This team has been horrible at covering kicks and punts for years.

Fili 08-12-2012 06:43 PM

Re: Holliday's chances at making the team
 
If he can do it against the 49ers than I say he stays. He scored against the worst overall special team. Panthers were dead last last year, and the 49ers were 2nd overall last year. http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/teamst

Texn4life 08-12-2012 06:45 PM

Re: Holliday's chances at making the team
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by EllisUnit (Post 1993708)
I said if in pre season he can give us constant good field position than great.

ALSO keep in ming the panthers had the 31st ranked Kick return coverage in the NFL. This team has been horrible at covering kicks and punts for years.

I don't care if he did it against a high school team. He came very close to taking another return to the house.

The biggest question is if we keep him who gets left off the 53 man?

EllisUnit 08-12-2012 06:49 PM

Re: Holliday's chances at making the team
 
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Originally Posted by Texn4life (Post 1993710)
I don't care if he did it against a high school team. He came very close to taking another return to the house.

The biggest question is if we keep him who gets left off the 53 man?

My point is with so many questions at WR. I think it will be tough to keep a pure KR/PR who will not contribute on offense.

And yes it does matter who he does it against, because we have a tough schedule and u dont keep 1 guy on the team so he can do good against one team and suck against the other 15.

Texn4life 08-12-2012 06:58 PM

Re: Holliday's chances at making the team
 
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Originally Posted by EllisUnit (Post 1993714)
My point is with so many questions at WR. I think it will be tough to keep a pure KR/PR who will not contribute on offense.

And yes it does matter who he does it against, because we have a tough schedule and u dont keep 1 guy on the team so he can do good against one team and suck against the other 15.

Kubiak has addressed this. He said he'll have to be special in order to keep him on the team. But its not like there aren't return guys in the league who don't play regularly. Look at Banks in Washington. He has a similar stature to Holliday.

And I disagree with u on who he does it against. We're looking at 2 different things it seems like. I look more for explosive ability and less about the results. The kickoff return he almost took back to the house when he was brought down by the back of his jersey impressed me more than his TD.

EllisUnit 08-12-2012 07:02 PM

Re: Holliday's chances at making the team
 
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Originally Posted by Texn4life (Post 1993720)
Kubiak has addressed this. He said he'll have to be special in order to keep him on the team. But its not like there aren't return guys in the league who don't play regularly. Look at Banks in Washington. He has a similar stature to Holliday.

And I disagree with u on who he does it against. We're looking at 2 different things it seems like. I look more for explosive ability and less about the results. The kickoff return he almost took back to the house when he was brought down by the back of his jersey impressed me more than his TD.

It matters who u do it against. Noone was impressed when the texans secondary dominated Rusty Smith the season they were ranked 31st, now why is that ?

My point is lets see what happens next week with the 49ers who have had a good KR coverage unit compared to the 31st ranked Panthers team.

utahmark 08-12-2012 07:09 PM

Re: Holliday's chances at making the team
 
Marciano does'nt sound convinced.

http://blog.chron.com/ultimatetexans...not-be-enough/

That was noted by special teams coach Joe Marciano on Saturday, but with reservations.

Lets not anoint him just yet, he said of Holliday. Hes a big talent with a lot of room to grow. The touchdown was great, but

Then Marciano started a point-by-point dissection of some things Holliday could have done better on his other returns, ending with, Ill know better when I see the video.

As Holliday said, its a big year for him to get attention. And, for better or worse, its starting early.

Its an intense job, he said. You just have to concentrate and do the best you can,

Keith Cannon is a freelance writer.

Texn4life 08-12-2012 07:10 PM

Re: Holliday's chances at making the team
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by EllisUnit (Post 1993722)
It matters who u do it against. Noone was impressed when the texans secondary dominated Rusty Smith the season they were ranked 31st, now why is that ?

My point is lets see what happens next week with the 49ers who have had a good KR coverage unit compared to the 31st ranked Panthers team.

Weak argument in my opinion. What you want to see is someone make plays no matter who they're going up against. Again, you're focusing on something different than me. His ability impressed me more than the actual results.


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