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Texn4life 08-07-2012 03:12 AM

Wade Phillips Blitz Packages
 
This article got me thinking about something, and especially the quoted portion below.

Texans pass rush could be overwhelming for quarterbacks

Quote:

When Phillips has had inside linebackers who can rush, he’s sent them after the passer. Don’t be surprised if Cushing doubles his career high.

If you’re the opposing quarterback, and Phillips is calling for a six-player blitz, here’s who’s coming: Barwin, Mercilus, Watt, Smith, Reed and Cushing.
At first I was thinking that the John McClain wasn't thinking straight when he mentioned a 6-player blitz with these 6 players on the field. I still don't know that its going to happen at all this year, but its not outside the realm of possibility that we'll have Barwin, Reed, and Mercilus on the field at the same time playing linebacker. In Shawne Merriman's first year with San Diego and Wade as his DC there were times when he'd play inside and rush from the inside backer position. It wasn't something that he showed a lot, and I only remember him doing it his rookie year (particularly against Indy when they broke a long winning streak of the Colts in 2005) but don't be surprised if its unveiled against a team like Green Bay or New England.

The danger of that is you're going to have to play man, and leave the defense susceptible to giving up a big play. It would seem like Reed would be a more natural fit to move inside and rush if we were to bring a rush with these 6 guys, but the thought of it has me excited.

b0ng 08-07-2012 12:05 PM

Re: Wade Phillips Blitz Packages
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Texn4life (Post 1990725)
This article got me thinking about something, and especially the quoted portion below.

Texans pass rush could be overwhelming for quarterbacks



At first I was thinking that the John McClain wasn't thinking straight when he mentioned a 6-player blitz with these 6 players on the field. I still don't know that its going to happen at all this year, but its not outside the realm of possibility that we'll have Barwin, Reed, and Mercilus on the field at the same time playing linebacker. In Shawne Merriman's first year with San Diego and Wade as his DC there were times when he'd play inside and rush from the inside backer position. It wasn't something that he showed a lot, and I only remember him doing it his rookie year (particularly against Indy when they broke a long winning streak of the Colts in 2005) but don't be surprised if its unveiled against a team like Green Bay or New England.

The danger of that is you're going to have to play man, and leave the defense susceptible to giving up a big play. It would seem like Reed would be a more natural fit to move inside and rush if we were to bring a rush with these 6 guys, but the thought of it has me excited.

So I'm guessing in that scenario our NT drops back into coverage? I'm pretty sure Mercilus, Reed and Barwin will not be on the field at the same time very much this season.

The Pencil Neck 08-07-2012 12:08 PM

Re: Wade Phillips Blitz Packages
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by b0ng (Post 1990847)
So I'm guessing in that scenario our NT drops back into coverage? I'm pretty sure Mercilus, Reed and Barwin will not be on the field at the same time very much this season.

Which is what the OP said.

GP 08-07-2012 12:12 PM

Re: Wade Phillips Blitz Packages
 
I believe this is called the "O.S. Blitz Package"

The opponent's o-coord and QB say "Oh ****!" when they see the Texans in that formation. LOL.

Rey 08-07-2012 12:26 PM

Re: Wade Phillips Blitz Packages
 
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Originally Posted by b0ng (Post 1990847)
So I'm guessing in that scenario our NT drops back into coverage? I'm pretty sure Mercilus, Reed and Barwin will not be on the field at the same time very much this season.

There would be no NT in the game. You wouldn't have cody or Earl in the game there if it's a definite passing situation...

Double Barrel 08-07-2012 12:35 PM

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Yeah, man coverage is the weak point, but hopefully it's not a concern because the QB is on his butt after taking a big hit from one of the blitzers. At least that's the intent of this package. Cool read!

Scooter 08-07-2012 12:41 PM

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there will be tons of 6 man blitzes, but it's not going to be from adding another OLB to the play - he'd use instead a safety or corner in such a case. wade has a very simple and very effective defense, and just like last year it's going to be our standard 5 man front with cushing coming inside on base and run downs. on passing downs we'll again spend our time in nickel (or dime depending on james' ability to stay in on passing downs) with a 4 man front and lots of looks from the ILB's and safeties.

wade can get plenty creative, but it's usually much more subtle than crashing his OLB's inside (outside of a few stunts to keep teams honest).

Rey 08-07-2012 01:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Scooter (Post 1990876)
there will be tons of 6 man blitzes, but it's not going to be from adding another OLB to the play

I heard wade say in an interview that he is going to put his best pass rushers on the field and there might be times where barwin, merci, and reed are out there together.

TimeKiller 08-07-2012 02:36 PM

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Yeah, if they're all just rushing would it really matter what position they play?

No.

I'd take JJo, Manning and the rest of the backfield for the 3 or 4 seconds it's going to take to have the QB curled up in a ball underneath 6 angry Texans over just about any passing attack. I don't think teams can just sling quick slants the whole game anymore, this isn't Richard's Smith "wait-and-see" style. JJo will take that to the bank!

Texn4life 08-07-2012 02:57 PM

Re: Wade Phillips Blitz Packages
 
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Originally Posted by TimeKiller (Post 1990970)
Yeah, if they're all just rushing would it really matter what position they play?

The only reason it would matter is because some guys just aren't comfortable rushing or blitzing from the inside. Barwin has a little bit of experience with it in the first game of the season against the Colts in 2010. They moved him around a lot that game before he got hurt, so he's a possibility to do it in this situation.

Scooter 08-07-2012 03:46 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Rey (Post 1990898)
I heard wade say in an interview that he is going to put his best pass rushers on the field and there might be times where barwin, merci, and reed are out there together.

and it's possible, but i dont see it happening. to do so would put an OLB attacking the B gap or push the outside-most linebacker too far away to be effective. all have experience at defensive end so it's not out of the question to move inside, but it complicates an area of strength when there are many more productive options. if it were to be effective it would've been more so with a guy like mario with the size and strength to match up against guards as opposed to barwin. wade likes his extra rush coming from the inside linebackers and safeties.

Texn4life 08-07-2012 04:00 PM

Re: Wade Phillips Blitz Packages
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Scooter (Post 1991008)
and it's possible, but i dont see it happening. to do so would put an OLB attacking the B gap or push the outside-most linebacker too far away to be effective. all have experience at defensive end so it's not out of the question to move inside, but it complicates an area of strength when there are many more productive options. if it were to be effective it would've been more so with a guy like mario with the size and strength to match up against guards as opposed to barwin. wade likes his extra rush coming from the inside linebackers and safeties.

Like I said in my initial post, I don't think its something he'll do a lot but it's possible. He has a track record of moving an OLB inside like I stated he did with Merriman his rookie year. I can't say I remember him doing it with any other teams, but I know for a fact he did it with him.

As far as backers blitzing from the inside, you're not necessarily looking for a guys strong enough to out physical a guard. You're looking to create mismatches with the amount of speed on the field. With Merriman, he disguised the looks so you didn't know where he was coming from. Depending on the protection of the offense, you may have a Guard/Center picking up a blitzing LB if he can recognize it in time and get there. Then most likely you'll have a mismatch of a RB picking up a LB. I'll take my chances with Cush, Reed, Mercilus, or Barwin against a RB any day of the week. Wade found ways to utilize his toys in San Diego.

nero THE zero 08-07-2012 04:10 PM

Re: Wade Phillips Blitz Packages
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Texn4life (Post 1990725)
This article got me thinking about something, and especially the quoted portion below.

Texans pass rush could be overwhelming for quarterbacks



At first I was thinking that the John McClain wasn't thinking straight when he mentioned a 6-player blitz with these 6 players on the field. I still don't know that its going to happen at all this year, but its not outside the realm of possibility that we'll have Barwin, Reed, and Mercilus on the field at the same time playing linebacker. In Shawne Merriman's first year with San Diego and Wade as his DC there were times when he'd play inside and rush from the inside backer position. It wasn't something that he showed a lot, and I only remember him doing it his rookie year (particularly against Indy when they broke a long winning streak of the Colts in 2005) but don't be surprised if its unveiled against a team like Green Bay or New England.

The danger of that is you're going to have to play man, and leave the defense susceptible to giving up a big play. It would seem like Reed would be a more natural fit to move inside and rush if we were to bring a rush with these 6 guys, but the thought of it has me excited.

This quote struck me as odd, maybe a misspeak, when I read it, but maybe you're onto something here.
Quote:

Herring also talked about Reed’s “linebacker body.”

“That’s where people get discombobulated with him,” Herring said. “Look, he’s 6-2½, 250. The fact that he was playing with his hand in the dirt (the three-point stance of a defensive end) in college turned him into a ‘tweener’ to some people. But he was always a ‘Mike’ linebacker to us. Half the teams in the draft wanted him bad, and the other half didn’t think he could (make the transition). We were in the half that saw the upside potential. He’s still projecting and growing as a player. The sky’s the limit.”
Maybe there's intent to use him in the middle more, now or in the future. Maybe they ultimately see him playing inside.

The Pencil Neck 08-07-2012 04:22 PM

Re: Wade Phillips Blitz Packages
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by nero THE zero (Post 1991031)
This quote struck me as odd, maybe a misspeak, when I read it, but maybe you're onto something here.


Maybe there's intent to use him in the middle more, now or in the future. Maybe they ultimately see him playing inside.

That would really explain:
1) The Mercilus Pick
2) The Demeco trade

If they're planning for a future with Barwin and Mercilus on the outside and Cush and Reed on the inside, it makes a lot of sense. That, and picking up Bradie James as a transition player until Reed can transition to the middle. That would give us an entire starting LB corps drafted in the last few years instead of 3 OLBs and a looming hole in the middle.

Unless they saw Sharpton as the future in the middle... which I'm starting to doubt.

76Texan 08-07-2012 05:03 PM

Re: Wade Phillips Blitz Packages
 
Wade has all kinds of blitz packages in his playbook; it's just a matter whether he wants to use them or not.

We can blitz 6 from our base defense, from nickel, dime, bear, anything.
(We can even blitz with both the dime and nickel back if we want to.)

An example of a 6-man blitz that I can remember was the sack on Collins in the 4th quarter.

We were in a 4-man (wide front) nickel personnel.
Mario was at SDE (on Clark); he got the sack.
Smith at SDT; Watt at WDT (both lined up ouside the Guard on their side);
Cushing at SAM (on LOS, outside strong side OT; ie. between Mario and Smith).
Ryans at MO (but was head up on the Center);
and Barwin at WDE.

The Colts were in 11 personnel.

It was 3rd and 5.

With both Ryans and Cushing coming, Addai picked up Cushing.

In this instance, we still had 5 to cover 4.
We blitzed 6 against 6 blockers.

.....

There were at least a couple of occasions last year when I mentioned that we had zero coverage (ie. single coverage on each of the 5 offensive threats).
I don't remember if one of them stay back to block or not.
If one of them did, it became a 7-man blitz (all-out blitz.)

....

In Wade's playbook, I noticed a Jet Blitz from base 34.
All seven guys up front come.
Even if there was a TE, they don't care (the SS will pick him up).
If the RB releases, one of the LB will take him.
I'm pretty sure we didn't see this one last year.

....

There are other 6-man blitzes from Wade's playbook I haven't seen yet, and it won't surprise me at all if we see some of those (if not all) this year.

76Texan 08-07-2012 05:12 PM

Re: Wade Phillips Blitz Packages
 
It looks to me that the Texans have a lot of versatility in their guys.

As somebody already mentioned, Barwin had played second level LB in 2010 - all over the place.
Reed showed the ability to flex his hips in coverage; he can certainly play ILB.
Mercilus had played plenty of 34 DE; he even lined up on the Guard at times.

By the way, in Wade's scheme, the NT can drop back in coverage (I've seen them doing it, but I don't think Cody ever did, however.)
Basically, they just sit in the short hole; nothing to it.

76Texan 08-07-2012 05:25 PM

Re: Wade Phillips Blitz Packages
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Rey (Post 1990869)
There would be no NT in the game. You wouldn't have cody or Earl in the game there if it's a definite passing situation...

But they were!

76Texan 08-07-2012 05:35 PM

Re: Wade Phillips Blitz Packages
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Texn4life (Post 1991020)
Like I said in my initial post, I don't think its something he'll do a lot but it's possible. He has a track record of moving an OLB inside like I stated he did with Merriman his rookie year. I can't say I remember him doing it with any other teams, but I know for a fact he did it with him.

As far as backers blitzing from the inside, you're not necessarily looking for a guys strong enough to out physical a guard. You're looking to create mismatches with the amount of speed on the field. With Merriman, he disguised the looks so you didn't know where he was coming from. Depending on the protection of the offense, you may have a Guard/Center picking up a blitzing LB if he can recognize it in time and get there. Then most likely you'll have a mismatch of a RB picking up a LB. I'll take my chances with Cush, Reed, Mercilus, or Barwin against a RB any day of the week. Wade found ways to utilize his toys in San Diego.

Mike Croel, Broncos.
He played mostly MO in his rookie year, then moved to 34 SAM the next two years. He then played 43 SAM in his fourth year.
(Wade moved to a base 43 in his last year with the Broncos.)

TexansSeminole 08-07-2012 05:35 PM

I have heard several times that Reed will be playing more inside, or atleast blitzing from that spot alot more this season. I would be surprised if we don't see that package and a 6 man blitz out of that package atleast once per game or two.

badboy 08-07-2012 06:01 PM

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Offense should counter with quick passes to TEs if Qb has a good release. I think success for defense comes from how well team can hide the call. I think we have not come close to seeing the full defensive package Wade can use.


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