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Playoffs 08-02-2012 10:19 AM

USA Today: Kevin Walter is not a second-rate No. 2 receiver
 
Texans: Kevin Walter is not a second-rate No. 2 receiver

He turns 31 soon, which isn't old. But Kevin Walter is wise, his 10 seasons in the NFL not at all a fluke.

Then again, it might be a surprise to learn he has spent the past six seasons with the Houston Texans, serving as their de facto best wide receiver not named Andre Johnson. And it might be unsettling to discover he's likely been the most reliable Texan of recent recall — since 2007, Walter has played in 77 of 80 regular-season games, starting 75.

And yet he hears the chatter about how Houston should upgrade at the No. 2 wide receiver, which is his role. The noise is usually loudest this time of the year, around training camp, and Walter shakes his head and laughs.

"People can say whatever," he said Wednesday. "I don't care what people think."

That's because he knows how his teammates and coaches feel about him.

"If you ask anyone in our locker room who's the most underrated player, the most important player or the unsung hero of our team, it's Kevin," Texans quarterback Matt Schaub said. "Every time, hands down. No question..."


read more: http://www.usatoday.com/sports/footb...ers/56671564/1

Texn4life 08-02-2012 10:26 AM

Re: USA Today: Kevin Walter is not a second-rate No. 2 receiver
 
Kevin seems like a great guy, hard worker, and an awesome teammate. Its not his fault that the organization has placed him in this No. 2 receiver role for so long. He does some very good things in this offense for us though, and I love having him on the team. His weaknesses are just exposed sometimes especially when Andre is out. In this league you have to be able to beat man coverage at times, and he just doesn't have that ability to do that consistently right now. However he's savvy enough to find open seams in zone.

Double Barrel 08-02-2012 12:21 PM

Re: USA Today: Kevin Walter is not a second-rate No. 2 receiver
 
I've always liked Walter, but stopped defending him in the forum years ago because I perceived a majority bias against him. I just let the coaching staff's decisions speak for themselves, which has been quite clear in their confidence in him as our no. 2 receiver for years.

Rey 08-02-2012 12:35 PM

Kevin Walter doesn't suck. That said his competition at the spot has been jacoby jones and now a bunch of rookies and udfa's.

If the texans had drafted or signed a legit wr kw likely would have been on the bench.

It can be said that they have not addressed the wr spot because of kw, but I just think we've adressed issues that were more pressing.

Kw would be an excellent 3rd or 4th wr. Personally I'd rather have another guy be the #2 that can actually play spot duty as the #1 in the very likely event Andre misses some time.

I guess my biggest problem with kw is andre's health if that makes any sense.

I love kw. I hope he has a big year because despite his drop in numbers he's not a bad wr. I just don't know if it's going to play out like that.

Thorn 08-02-2012 12:38 PM

Re: USA Today: Kevin Walter is not a second-rate No. 2 receiver
 
he runs good routes and has made some good catches for us. considering everything, I'm glad to have him. To unseat him, someone is going to have to be pretty good.

carear stats: and he hasn't had a fumble since 2006

http://www.nfl.com/player/kevinwalte...53/careerstats

ObsiWan 08-02-2012 12:51 PM

Re: USA Today: Kevin Walter is not a second-rate No. 2 receiver
 
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Originally Posted by Thorn (Post 1988639)
he runs good routes and has made some good catches for us. considering everything, I'm glad to have him. To unseat him, someone is going to have to be pretty good.

carear stats: and he hasn't had a fumble since 2006

http://www.nfl.com/player/kevinwalte...53/careerstats

This^^^

He's not flashy or anything but he brings his lunch pail and goes to work. He took a salary cut for the team. And I'm sure some will say it was that or "hit the road" but do we KNOW that? Has anyone from the Smithiak camp come out and SAID that?

I totally agree with Thorn, someone will have to be pretty good to take away his job. Maybe in a couple of years one of the current crop of kids...

gtexan02 08-02-2012 12:52 PM

Re: USA Today: Kevin Walter is not a second-rate No. 2 receiver
 
Kevin Walter is one of those guys that thrives with a true #1. I think what people are worried about with him is that he isn't the kind of receiver that can step into that #1 role when a guy like AJ goes down

Thorn 08-02-2012 01:00 PM

Re: USA Today: Kevin Walter is not a second-rate No. 2 receiver
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by gtexan02 (Post 1988650)
Kevin Walter is one of those guys that thrives with a true #1. I think what people are worried about with him is that he isn't the kind of receiver that can step into that #1 role when a guy like AJ goes down

Walter doesn't have the speed to be a true #1 reciever, I don't think anyone would argue with that. What he is, is a workhorse #2 and is pretty good at it. We need someone to be coaching up to eventually replace AJ as the #1. Walter isn't that guy, but like you said, he's a darn good #2.

Rey 08-02-2012 01:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gtexan02 (Post 1988650)
Kevin Walter is one of those guys that thrives with a true #1. I think what people are worried about with him is that he isn't the kind of receiver that can step into that #1 role when a guy like AJ goes down

That's pretty much how I feel.

If Aj goes down you have to rely on bench players to pick up the receiving slack.

Thorn 08-02-2012 01:01 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by ObsiWan (Post 1988649)
This^^^

He's not flashy or anything but he brings his lunch pail and goes to work. He took a salary cut for the team. And I'm sure some will say it was that or "hit the road" but do we KNOW that? Has anyone from the Smithiak camp come out and SAID that?
I totally agree with Thorn, someone will have to be pretty good to take away his job. Maybe in a couple of years one of the current crop of kids...

Yeah, that's something I think is just an internet rumor thing.

ObsiWan 08-02-2012 01:06 PM

Re: USA Today: Kevin Walter is not a second-rate No. 2 receiver
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Rey (Post 1988638)
Kevin Walter doesn't suck. That said his competition at the spot has been jacoby jones and now a bunch of rookies and udfa's.

If the texans had drafted or signed a legit wr kw likely would have been on the bench.

It can be said that they have not addressed the wr spot because of kw, but I just think we've adressed issues that were more pressing.

Kw would be an excellent 3rd or 4th wr. Personally I'd rather have another guy be the #2 that can actually play spot duty as the #1 in the very likely event Andre misses some time.

I guess my biggest problem with kw is andre's health if that makes any sense.

I love kw. I hope he has a big year because despite his drop in numbers he's not a bad wr. I just don't know if it's going to play out like that.

Examples please...?
And I mean guys we had a shot to get...

I mean would you rather have drafted a KW replacement unit with one of our 1sts or keep who we drafted -- Mercilus, or Watt, or Cushing (yes, I purposely omitted K.Jackson)...

...or would you rather have to pay through the nose to sign some "name" vet. And I can't think of anyone we can afford or who wouldn't have put us much deeper in salary cap hell...

I guess my bottom line question is... who would you erase from the roster to get the KW replacement unit? And who would that guy be?

ObsiWan 08-02-2012 01:13 PM

Re: USA Today: Kevin Walter is not a second-rate No. 2 receiver
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by gtexan02 (Post 1988650)
Kevin Walter is one of those guys that thrives with a true #1. I think what people are worried about with him is that he isn't the kind of receiver that can step into that #1 role when a guy like AJ goes down

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rey (Post 1988662)
That's pretty much how I feel.

If Aj goes down you have to rely on bench players to pick up the receiving slack.

The closest guy we had to an A.J. replacement was Andre Davis. He stepped up his game in '07 when A.J. went down. The next year he hardly saw the field because A.J. would never come out of a game.

TexansFight 08-02-2012 01:13 PM

DeVier Posey is going I light up for us and be the real number 2 IMO

Thorn 08-02-2012 01:17 PM

Re: USA Today: Kevin Walter is not a second-rate No. 2 receiver
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by TexansFight (Post 1988677)
DeVier Posey is going I light up for us and be the real number 2 IMO

I think it's more important for the Texans to be looking for a true #1 to replace AJ. But if someone is good enough to beat out Walter for his spot, then we'll be a better team for it.

Getting to attached to individual players will always get your emotions hurt in the end because they never last forever. I have already made that mistake with Foster, so I'm lucky they signed him to a long term deal.

Ryan 08-02-2012 03:40 PM

Re: USA Today: Kevin Walter is not a second-rate No. 2 receiver
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Thorn (Post 1988684)
I think it's more important for the Texans to be looking for a true #1 to replace AJ. But if someone is good enough to beat out Walter for his spot, then we'll be a better team for it.

Getting to attached to individual players will always get your emotions hurt in the end because they never last forever. I have already made that mistake with Foster, so I'm lucky they signed him to a long term deal.


I don't think anyone currently on the roster has true #1 potential. I think Posey can be a great pro but he's better fit for a #2 spot and I think can be great in that role down the line. The jury is out on Lestar Jean and i usually refrain from talking about him because i've seen next to nothing outside of one or two preseason catches. Martin looks like a lethal future slot guy for us.

Texn4life 08-02-2012 03:45 PM

Re: USA Today: Kevin Walter is not a second-rate No. 2 receiver
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Thorn (Post 1988660)
Walter doesn't have the speed to be a true #1 reciever, I don't think anyone would argue with that. What he is, is a workhorse #2 and is pretty good at it. We need someone to be coaching up to eventually replace AJ as the #1. Walter isn't that guy, but like you said, he's a darn good #2.

I would disagree that he's a darn good #2. He's an adequate #2 for what we do, but saying he's darn good is stretching it. He's in the bottom third as far as #2 receivers are concerned in terms of receiving ability. His intangibles make him valuable to the team though. I've said this plenty of times that I would love him as our #3 receiver, but as many have said we don't have a better option at the #2 spot at this point. I hope he proves me wrong and shows me that he can beat man coverage, but I just haven't seen it on a consistent basis these last 2 years.

Double Barrel 08-02-2012 03:49 PM

Re: USA Today: Kevin Walter is not a second-rate No. 2 receiver
 
Walter was picked up as a possession receiver, and I don't think they ever intended for him to be a no. 1 receiver. He's a compliment to AJ, not a replacement.

infantrycak 08-02-2012 03:51 PM

Re: USA Today: Kevin Walter is not a second-rate No. 2 receiver
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Double Barrel (Post 1988819)
Walter was picked up as a possession receiver, and I don't think they ever intended for him to be a no. 1 receiver. He's a compliment to AJ, not a replacement.

Exactly. That's why whenever AJ has gone down KW has stayed in the same role and they have had Andre Davis or JJ practice/play the #1 role.

Rey 08-02-2012 03:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ObsiWan (Post 1988669)
I guess my bottom line question is... who would you erase from the roster to get the KW replacement unit? And who would that guy be?

My point was that there were other more pressing needs on the team for us to address.

I dont remember every wr that was within reason of us getting through free agency, trade or the draft.

And the first round isn't the only place to find a wr.

76Texan 08-02-2012 03:55 PM

Re: USA Today: Kevin Walter is not a second-rate No. 2 receiver
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Double Barrel (Post 1988819)
Walter was picked up as a possession receiver, and I don't think they ever intended for him to be a no. 1 receiver. He's a compliment to AJ, not a replacement.

What he said!

KW is a very good receiver for our scheme.
He does it all, consistently - the things Kubiak asks of him.


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