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Wolf6151 05-21-2012 01:32 AM

2013 Texans Draft Needs?
 
I know it's a bit early but what do you think our team needs will be in the 2013 draft? Take into account players reaching FA, expensive players about to reach FA, salary cap casualties, needs not addressed in 2012 draft, under performing players, etc... I can forcast the needs being:

DE, I think Antonio Smith is a salary cap casualty and depending on value may be replaced early unless Crick just becomes a beast.
DT/NT, I think Sean Cody is a salary cap casualty and a new rotation at NT will be Mitchell and 2013 draft pick unless Fangupo becomes a beast from UDFA.
CB, you can never have to many good CB's and next season we'll see what we have in Jackson, Carmichael, and Harris. If someone lets us down this could be an early pick.
RB, Tate will be a FA after 2013 season so we may look for a replacement a year early depending on value on the board and trade Tate after next season, like the Pats do, unless he agrees to a very team friendly extension which isn't likely.
OT, Butler will be a FA after next season and thus will become quite expensive unless we're sure he's the future of the RT position and we extend him in mid season for a team friendly price.
WR, regardless of the 2012 draft we probably still have a big hole at #2 WR.
QB, we had a thread devoted to the possible trade up in 2013 draft for a future franchise QB unless we see alot of improvement in Yates next season.
TE, OD is getting more expensive and he's just not as good as he was 2-3 yrs. ago.

Opinions?

beerlover 05-21-2012 08:24 AM

Re: 2013 Texans Draft Needs?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Wolf6151 (Post 1958068)
I know it's a bit early but what do you think our team needs will be in the 2013 draft? Take into account players reaching FA, expensive players about to reach FA, salary cap casualties, needs not addressed in 2012 draft, under performing players, etc... I can forcast the needs being:

DE, I think Antonio Smith is a salary cap casualty and depending on value may be replaced early unless Crick just becomes a beast.
DT/NT, I think Sean Cody is a salary cap casualty and a new rotation at NT will be Mitchell and 2013 draft pick unless Fangupo becomes a beast from UDFA.
CB, you can never have to many good CB's and next season we'll see what we have in Jackson, Carmichael, and Harris. If someone lets us down this could be an early pick.
RB, Tate will be a FA after 2013 season so we may look for a replacement a year early depending on value on the board and trade Tate after next season, like the Pats do, unless he agrees to a very team friendly extension which isn't likely.
OT, Butler will be a FA after next season and thus will become quite expensive unless we're sure he's the future of the RT position and we extend him in mid season for a team friendly price.
WR, regardless of the 2012 draft we probably still have a big hole at #2 WR.
QB, we had a thread devoted to the possible trade up in 2013 draft for a future franchise QB unless we see alot of improvement in Yates next season.
TE, OD is getting more expensive and he's just not as good as he was 2-3 yrs. ago.

Opinions?

Kareem Jackson, CB position pays out big time. with other contracts needing addressed doubt they will extend his contract & just let it run it's course.

gary 05-21-2012 01:36 PM

Re: 2013 Texans Draft Needs?
 
Receiver after reading about AJ.

badboy 05-21-2012 09:36 PM

Re: 2013 Texans Draft Needs?
 
I'm working on 2013 mock now. I think QB is the primary position of concern but I also feel optimistic that Yates will prove sufficient especially if Matt can make it through this next season. Qb does not have to be stellar just accurate with decent release & able to play the pocket. Yates should be able to do that 2012 & even better '13. QB not on my board now.
Posey or not we still need another WR to eventually be WR1.

I anticipate Barwin in his last contract year in a position set to get him sacks will also make himself a tighty bit of change on his next team as a FA. Not able to play 4-3 DE like Mario he is younger and shoud be gone. OLB again will be a high pick.

A CB and RB & perhaps an ILB should give us top 5 picks. I wished I had better idea what comp picks will be. Thought I read on some thread a 2nd, 3rd & 5th. If anyone has good info please shoot me a PM. I was google searching earlier today & caught a virus on my other computer so be careful.

gary 05-21-2012 10:17 PM

Re: 2013 Texans Draft Needs?
 
Maybe Matt will be traded and keep Barwin.

Wolf6151 05-21-2012 11:12 PM

Re: 2013 Texans Draft Needs?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by gary (Post 1958450)
Maybe Matt will be traded and keep Barwin.

Matt will be a FA after this next season, he's not tradeable. Schaub is the major lynch pin here, does he stay or go? If 2012 is his last season as a Texan then I hope the Texans at least give Yates a real chance at the starting position, at least give him the 2013 season. Then if he sucks we'll probably have a high draft pick and be ripe for taking a 1st round QB in 2014.

BB, what sources are you using for a 2013 mock?

aussie_texan 05-22-2012 03:23 AM

Re: 2013 Texans Draft Needs?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by badboy (Post 1958426)
I'm working on 2013 mock now. I think QB is the primary position of concern but I also feel optimistic that Yates will prove sufficient especially if Matt can make it through this next season. Qb does not have to be stellar just accurate with decent release & able to play the pocket. Yates should be able to do that 2012 & even better '13. QB not on my board now.
Posey or not we still need another WR to eventually be WR1.

I anticipate Barwin in his last contract year in a position set to get him sacks will also make himself a tighty bit of change on his next team as a FA. Not able to play 4-3 DE like Mario he is younger and shoud be gone. OLB again will be a high pick.

A CB and RB & perhaps an ILB should give us top 5 picks. I wished I had better idea what comp picks will be. Thought I read on some thread a 2nd, 3rd & 5th. If anyone has good info please shoot me a PM. I was google searching earlier today & caught a virus on my other computer so be careful.

highest you can get from a comp pick is round 3

gary 05-22-2012 09:44 AM

Re: 2013 Texans Draft Needs?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Wolf6151 (Post 1958463)
Matt will be a FA after this next season, he's not tradeable. Schaub is the major lynch pin here, does he stay or go? If 2012 is his last season as a Texan then I hope the Texans at least give Yates a real chance at the starting position, at least give him the 2013 season. Then if he sucks we'll probably have a high draft pick and be ripe for taking a 1st round QB in 2014.

BB, what sources are you using for a 2013 mock?

A QB is the most important player on the team so unless Keenum or Yates just plays great Matt will stay.

badboy 05-22-2012 03:52 PM

Re: 2013 Texans Draft Needs?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Wolf6151 (Post 1958463)
Matt will be a FA after this next season, he's not tradeable. Schaub is the major lynch pin here, does he stay or go? If 2012 is his last season as a Texan then I hope the Texans at least give Yates a real chance at the starting position, at least give him the 2013 season. Then if he sucks we'll probably have a high draft pick and be ripe for taking a 1st round QB in 2014.

BB, what sources are you using for a 2013 mock?

These are my secret links so don't share them ok?:gathering:

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/p...nkings/2012/OT

http://walterfootball.com/draft2008P.php

I originally had thought comp picks began at end of round three but a post on another thread had indicated we will get a 2nd for Mario. RMartin65 corrected me during an exchange of PMs. For me best scenario is Schaub takes us to SB and then Yates steps in 2013 as starter.

Wolf6151 05-22-2012 05:40 PM

Re: 2013 Texans Draft Needs?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by badboy (Post 1958743)
These are my secret links so don't share them ok?:gathering:

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/p...nkings/2012/OT

http://walterfootball.com/draft2008P.php

I originally had thought comp picks began at end of round three but a post on another thread had indicated we will get a 2nd for Mario. RMartin65 corrected me during an exchange of PMs. For me best scenario is Schaub takes us to SB and then Yates steps in 2013 as starter.



Shhhhhhh, those are my 2 biggest sources as well but I'll try to keep it a secret. RM65 is right comp. picks don't start until the end of the 3rd round. I'm confused about your last sentence though, if Schaub takes us to the SB next season then he would be the starter in 2013 as well. Are you saying Schaub would be too expensive for us after taking us to the SB? I don't think any team has ever lost their starting QB a year after going to the SB.

What do you see as our other team needs in the 2013 draft? When is your 2013 mock going to be posted? My interest is stirred.

steelbtexan 05-22-2012 10:42 PM

Re: 2013 Texans Draft Needs?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Wolf6151 (Post 1958813)
Shhhhhhh, those are my 2 biggest sources as well but I'll try to keep it a secret. RM65 is right comp. picks don't start until the end of the 3rd round. I'm confused about your last sentence though, if Schaub takes us to the SB next season then he would be the starter in 2013 as well. Are you saying Schaub would be too expensive for us after taking us to the SB? I don't think any team has ever lost their starting QB a year after going to the SB.

What do you see as our other team needs in the 2013 draft? When is your 2013 mock going to be posted? My interest is stirred.

The Ravens let Dilfer walk and signed Grbac in FA,

badboy 05-23-2012 11:20 AM

Re: 2013 Texans Draft Needs?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Wolf6151 (Post 1958813)
Shhhhhhh, those are my 2 biggest sources as well but I'll try to keep it a secret. RM65 is right comp. picks don't start until the end of the 3rd round. I'm confused about your last sentence though, if Schaub takes us to the SB next season then he would be the starter in 2013 as well. Are you saying Schaub would be too expensive for us after taking us to the SB? I don't think any team has ever lost their starting QB a year after going to the SB.

What do you see as our other team needs in the 2013 draft? When is your 2013 mock going to be posted? My interest is stirred.

Ridiculous we can only get a 3rd for Mario. My mock is ready to post but I am adding comp picks as 3rd for Mario, 5th for Briesel and only doing thru 5th. I need to add the comp pick for Briesel and then I'll post.

Schaub is good but we all know the negatives, regardless if he does well and is healthy (as possible) SB or not he will command a huge salary. We need to re-sign Brown and that will take up all our surplus. No Barwin either. Matt will be a Mario type FA due to position.

infantrycak 05-29-2012 07:33 AM

Re: 2013 Texans Draft Needs?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by steelbtexan (Post 1958957)
The Ravens let Dilfer walk and signed Grbac in FA,

Dilfer wasn't their chosen starter for the season. Tony Banks was.

I think all of this talk in this and the mock draft thread is silly. Unless Schaub gets injured again or clearly is not his old self they are going to attempt to re-sign him and Schaub has shown every bit of character like AJ that he would rather stay here than make $50 mil instead of $48.

steelbtexan 05-29-2012 09:31 AM

Re: 2013 Texans Draft Needs?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by infantrycak (Post 1961285)
Dilfer wasn't their chosen starter for the season. Tony Banks was.

I think all of this talk in this and the mock draft thread is silly. Unless Schaub gets injured again or clearly is not his old self they are going to attempt to re-sign him and Schaub has shown every bit of character like AJ that he would rather stay here than make $50 mil instead of $48.

Yeah, Banks stunk and he should've taken the beating Carr took in 2002. Dilfer did get them a SB trophy and in appreaition the Ravens cut him. They're still looking a QB that can take them to a championship. Sometimes the grass isn't always greener on the other side.

Waiting until the end of this yr to make a decision on Schaub is the smart thing to do. I believe he's a 2nd tier (Top 15) QB. But if he cant get/stay healthy this yr then the Texans should look for his replacement. They are in a tough spot on this one, with the team being ready to win now and Schaub not being able to stay healthy. Do you trade the farm and draft one of the top college QB's? Or do you look for a Matt Flynn type vet? (Who's available)

I'm pretty sure Gary will be making that call and I've got faith in his ability to find the right QB for this team.

beerlover 05-31-2012 01:36 AM

Re: 2013 Texans Draft Needs?
 
Schaub in this system with a healthy Andre Johnson & Arian Foster is pushing top 5. Maybe not as much individually, but in the team concept he fits almost perfectly. So they resign him to a lucrative, yet sensible extension & Texans continue to roll :ant:

Wolf6151 08-29-2012 02:57 AM

Re: 2013 Texans Draft Needs?
 
We haven't addressed 2013 draft needs in a few months. Now that training camp is all but over and the regular season is just around the corner we should have a better assessment of 2013 draft needs. They certainly have changed from what I thought they'd be when starting this thread back in May, at least the order of need has changed. Here's how I currently see the needs, but with some players on the bubble for 2013 this list is by no means set in stone.

1. WR- I know many feel that Jean and Martin have had a great TC, and they have, I just don't see either of them as a current #2 with potential to be a #1. Also I think Kevin Walter stands a fair chance of being a salary cap casualty in 2013 so we'll need quality and depth at WR. I think WR is a 1st round need.
2. DT/NT- I think Sean Cody will be gone at the end of this season if he even plays and we'll need a new guy to work in rotation with Mitchell who hasn't looked very good in preseason so far. This is a 2nd or 3rd round need.
3. Safety- this need all depends on if we re-sign Glover Quin or not. BB thinks he could be gone in 2013 and I'm thinking he might be on the bubble. He's not a big time play maker so re-signing him shouldn't be terribly expensive but I think his future with the team might depend on how much money we need to re-sign other players. Quin could be a salary cap cut to re-sign Schaub and/or Barwin. This is 50/50 and could go either way. If Quin stays there's no need, if he goes then it's a 2nd or 3rd round need.
4. OT- Butler is gone and we'll need a new swing OT to take Newtons place. 3rd round need.
5. OG- Brooks steps up and takes someones job in 2013, probably Caldwell's due to the money still owed to W. Smith so interior O-line depth will be a need and may be addressed twice in 2013. 3rd - 5th round need.
6. CB- this need will depend on if we re-sign McCain or not. He's not great but he's not bad either and even mediocre CB's can be expensive. With JJ, KJ, and Harris probably taking the nickle spot in 2013 McCain might be gone. I can see CB maybe being a 3rd - 5th round need.
7. ILB- James is probably a one year rental but I think since this isn't a full time spot and we have depth with Dobbins, Alexander, and Louiseau the Texans probably won't address this until the later rounds unless someone great just unexpectedly falls in their lap.
8. FB- this is a 6th or 7th round priority but I sure would like to nail down this position with a real FB that's here to stay.

I once thought that DE and TE could be needs in 2013 due to Antonio Smith and OD being possible salary cap cuts but having read on another site about the money still owed them it makes them less likely to be cut. How do yall see our needs now that TC is almost over?

aussie_texan 08-29-2012 08:02 AM

Re: 2013 Texans Draft Needs?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Wolf6151 (Post 2003414)
We haven't addressed 2013 draft needs in a few months. Now that training camp is all but over and the regular season is just around the corner we should have a better assessment of 2013 draft needs. They certainly have changed from what I thought they'd be when starting this thread back in May, at least the order of need has changed. Here's how I currently see the needs, but with some players on the bubble for 2013 this list is by no means set in stone.

1. WR- I know many feel that Jean and Martin have had a great TC, and they have, I just don't see either of them as a current #2 with potential to be a #1. Also I think Kevin Walter stands a fair chance of being a salary cap casualty in 2013 so we'll need quality and depth at WR. I think WR is a 1st round need.
2. DT/NT- I think Sean Cody will be gone at the end of this season if he even plays and we'll need a new guy to work in rotation with Mitchell who hasn't looked very good in preseason so far. This is a 2nd or 3rd round need.
3. Safety- this need all depends on if we re-sign Glover Quin or not. BB thinks he could be gone in 2013 and I'm thinking he might be on the bubble. He's not a big time play maker so re-signing him shouldn't be terribly expensive but I think his future with the team might depend on how much money we need to re-sign other players. Quin could be a salary cap cut to re-sign Schaub and/or Barwin. This is 50/50 and could go either way. If Quin stays there's no need, if he goes then it's a 2nd or 3rd round need.
4. OT- Butler is gone and we'll need a new swing OT to take Newtons place. 3rd round need.
5. OG- Brooks steps up and takes someones job in 2013, probably Caldwell's due to the money still owed to W. Smith so interior O-line depth will be a need and may be addressed twice in 2013. 3rd - 5th round need.
6. CB- this need will depend on if we re-sign McCain or not. He's not great but he's not bad either and even mediocre CB's can be expensive. With JJ, KJ, and Harris probably taking the nickle spot in 2013 McCain might be gone. I can see CB maybe being a 3rd - 5th round need.
7. ILB- James is probably a one year rental but I think since this isn't a full time spot and we have depth with Dobbins, Alexander, and Louiseau the Texans probably won't address this until the later rounds unless someone great just unexpectedly falls in their lap.
8. FB- this is a 6th or 7th round priority but I sure would like to nail down this position with a real FB that's here to stay.

I once thought that DE and TE could be needs in 2013 due to Antonio Smith and OD being possible salary cap cuts but having read on another site about the money still owed them it makes them less likely to be cut. How do yall see our needs now that TC is almost over?

Havnt posted in the college forum for a while ... good to be back.

bolded is my biggest areas of concern for the reasons you mentioned.

also im not sure about the money owed on OD but i do feel TE is a must get early. Graham and OD are similar types of TEs we need a real difference maker at the position. the NFL is moving to these large TEs that exploit undersized safeties and not as athletic 'backers.
Going forward with graham as the standard TE, casey who offers versatility and then a large blocking and REDZONE target for a TE would be great for this team.
Also correct me if I'm wrong but OD is around 30 and has some injury issues won't be too long before his stats start to decline.

havnt had a chance to look much at the TE from Notre Dame just a little on youtube what do you guys think of him? ill be keeping an eye on him during the season

Rey 08-29-2012 08:46 AM

Re: 2013 Texans Draft Needs?
 
1) NT - Cody is a fine player, but he's no game changer. He does his job so I'm not knocking him. Really taking a player that could play the NT position doesn't mean he's taking Cody's job. We just need more talent at the position and this pick is more because Earl Mitchell hasn't looked all that good and Cody has been struggling with injury issues.

2) DB - If McCain has another good year he may want to go somewhere for a chance to start and more money. You can always use quality players in the secondary.

3) OL - We need more quality players there. Need someone to push Newton and Butler may not be here long.

4) ILB - Bradie James has been kind of not a big deal. The depth behind them isn't all that, and I'm not expecting Sharpton to do anything of significance and wouldn't be surprised if he never plays for us again. Give me a big talented MLB to blow up the playside and let Seek and destroy ball carriers.

5) TE - We just need more talented bodies there. I'd like to have another Casey type player that could play some FB and some TE.

badboy 08-29-2012 10:35 AM

Re: 2013 Texans Draft Needs?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Wolf6151 (Post 2003414)
We haven't addressed 2013 draft needs in a few months. Now that training camp is all but over and the regular season is just around the corner we should have a better assessment of 2013 draft needs. They certainly have changed from what I thought they'd be when starting this thread back in May, at least the order of need has changed. Here's how I currently see the needs, but with some players on the bubble for 2013 this list is by no means set in stone.

1. WR- I know many feel that Jean and Martin have had a great TC, and they have, I just don't see either of them as a current #2 with potential to be a #1. Also I think Kevin Walter stands a fair chance of being a salary cap casualty in 2013 so we'll need quality and depth at WR. I think WR is a 1st round need.
2. DT/NT- I think Sean Cody will be gone at the end of this season if he even plays and we'll need a new guy to work in rotation with Mitchell who hasn't looked very good in preseason so far. This is a 2nd or 3rd round need.
3. Safety- this need all depends on if we re-sign Glover Quin or not. BB thinks he could be gone in 2013 and I'm thinking he might be on the bubble. He's not a big time play maker so re-signing him shouldn't be terribly expensive but I think his future with the team might depend on how much money we need to re-sign other players. Quin could be a salary cap cut to re-sign Schaub and/or Barwin. This is 50/50 and could go either way. If Quin stays there's no need, if he goes then it's a 2nd or 3rd round need.
4. OT- Butler is gone and we'll need a new swing OT to take Newtons place. 3rd round need.
5. OG- Brooks steps up and takes someones job in 2013, probably Caldwell's due to the money still owed to W. Smith so interior O-line depth will be a need and may be addressed twice in 2013. 3rd - 5th round need.
6. CB- this need will depend on if we re-sign McCain or not. He's not great but he's not bad either and even mediocre CB's can be expensive. With JJ, KJ, and Harris probably taking the nickle spot in 2013 McCain might be gone. I can see CB maybe being a 3rd - 5th round need.
7. ILB- James is probably a one year rental but I think since this isn't a full time spot and we have depth with Dobbins, Alexander, and Louiseau the Texans probably won't address this until the later rounds unless someone great just unexpectedly falls in their lap.
8. FB- this is a 6th or 7th round priority but I sure would like to nail down this position with a real FB that's here to stay.

I once thought that DE and TE could be needs in 2013 due to Antonio Smith and OD being possible salary cap cuts but having read on another site about the money still owed them it makes them less likely to be cut. How do yall see our needs now that TC is almost over?

Although my thoughts bounce around a lot between this time of year and the next draft, I still like my most recent mock for 2013. As most I agree that Matt Schaub will be the focal point of what Texans do. I want to go BPA but still address our weaknesses. Here is a link from August 29th on Benton teaching the Oline and being successfull with low in the draft selections. http://blog.chron.com/ultimatetexans...age-of-benton/

He has good record but then I think of Shelley Smith. It is quite possible that OG/RT may not be a high pick as some have indicated.

McCain could leave for a chance at starting plus he should be feeling heat from Brandon Harris. I'd be lying if I said RCB with KJ, Ball and Carmichael does not concern me. This is position I'll be watching this season as I keep up with college corners.

ILB is an issue but just don't see any ILB that screams "pick me" early rounds that would stand out above my selections. I also am leaning towards Bradie James being re-signed for 2013 IF he is what Wade expects.

FB. I too would like to have a draft pick for about 8 years and why I push for one on last day of 2012 draft.

Insideop 10-10-2012 09:26 PM

Re: 2013 Texans Draft Needs?
 
OK, we are 5 weeks in to the season and the Texans stand at 5-0. They just lost Cush for the season, picked up Barrett Ruud, and cut Trindon. They will have Martin doing the KR/PR duties and Lestar Jean is coming off a knee scope. So, has everybody's draft needs changed for the Texans or are they still the same? I know I have been wanting them to get an ILB and a NT for awhile now (Since the last draft.) because I thought these 2 areas were thin. Now my concerns are even more so. What say you?


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