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badboy 04-05-2012 04:35 PM

Badboy's 2012 final mock
 
I expect this one to cause as much discussion and "OH NO! What are you thinking!" as others. I hope you read the entire thread before lashing out as I will lay out my thinking before & possibly after the rounds.

First I want to state that most of my picks from earlier mocks will not be available now such as Kendall Wright. Many are saying he drops to 2nd but I say lol. I am drafting heavy on receivers as most needy position. JJ needs to go and LeStar and Maehl while interesting have little for us to contemplate. If either succeeds, lucky us but not willing to gamble there. OLB is not on my mock and that probably will send many of you to ER. Prior to draft, we have exactly same OLBs we played most of the season with & that depth held up well. I am not drafting OLB before third due to other needs and no OLB 4th and later would beat out what we have.

1. Donta Hightower ILB/OLB Alabama 6'2" 265 4.62 vert: 32" arms 32 5/8
Demeco who? Dont'a starts day one ILB and takes some pressure off Cush who should be even better. This guy strengthens the nose in helping to shut down run. 2011 was first year back from season ending knee surgery & will be even better '12. I mock him mid-season and many thought I was crazy. Some of you now agree.
In '11 he showed increased speed and lateral quickness (knee). 2011 stats:
85 T, 11 TFLs, 4 sacks, 1 INT, 3 passed batted. If Reed or Barwin goes down, he can move to OLB. This actually adds a player to OLB depth. His physique makes AJ look like Clark Kent.

2. Marvin McNutt WR Iowa 6'3" 216 4.54 I started focusing in mid '11 and was impressed. Stats prob better if he was in a high octane O. Solid WR2 with good hands, routes, vert 37" (caramba!)arms 31 5/8" 82/1315 12 TDs

3. Mike Martin Michigan NT 6' 1 3/8" 36" vert 225 bench 36x extremely strong upper/lower with great anchor, tremendous motor, effective bull rush, sheds double teams & collapses pocket. Allows Mitchell to move back to DE.

4a. Tommy Streeter WR Miami, Fla. 6'4" 215 4.40 vert 33" 46/811 8 TDs. Some will say I'm reaching and I say next AJ in two years. Red Zone that all want.

4b. Ryan Broyles slot/PR OKLA 5'10" 192 4.46 (projected) drops to here only due to injury. Stats in shortened '11 83/1157 Perfect slot and PR career 108/1194 11.1

5. Winston Guy SS/FS/CB Kentucky 6'1"218 who was moved last season to hybrid LB to take advantage of his tackling. He is the utlimate safety for Wade's defense. I've watched for 2 years & mocked him last draft but he returned school. '11: 120T, 14 TFL, 2 passes batted, 2INTs, 1 fumble Career tackling machine who might be gone as high as 3rd. I think move to LB may have cost him. 2010 he ran unofficial 4.46 but I lost link.

6. Randy Bullock K Texas A&M 5'9" 212 29/33 FG 55/57 extra pts. Draft or lose. No good UDFA kickers

7. Lonnie Edwards LG Texas Tech 6'4" 322 3 year starter LG. Move Wade Smith to RG to solidify right side and assist Butler. More action to that side now. Edwards to start between Brown and Myers. TT's high powered offense allows Edwards more experience and he fits perfectly zone blocking.

UDFAs: Chad Diehl FB CLemson 6'2" 257 one trick pony but exactly what's needed.
UDFAs: TBob Hebert (yeah that guy's son) LSU C/OG 6'3" 300 started 11 center 2010 and 5 OG 2011. Myer's replacement 2-3 yrs.
UDFA: at least one QB & a TE

:aggressive:

Wolf6151 04-05-2012 04:52 PM

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1. Hightower, I really like the player and think that he fits the Texans system perfectly, but I don't think the Texans are valuing ILB that highly in this draft and don't think he makes it past Pittsburgh. I don't see a need for a guy who will step into Demeco's shoes and rotate out of the game about half of all defensive snaps.
2. McNutt, I like this pick, lots of good WR's in the 2nd round and he's got size.
3. Martin, I think this is a round early and I'm just not a fan of Martin, can't really explain it , just a feeling.
4a. Streeter, this is a great pick if available. He might not play much the first year but he's got great potential.
4b. Broyles, I'm not a fan especially with the injury, there are to many healthy WR's available to be picking one that might start the year on IR.
5. Guy, as long as he has cover skills this is a good pick, Safety depth is a need. I think the signing of Demps today means you can change this pick.
6. Bullock, this might be your best pick on the board, should solidify K for the next 10-15 yrs.
7. Edwards, depth on the O-line is always a good thing.

You finally have Diehl where he belongs. Good job.

rmartin65 04-05-2012 05:03 PM

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Originally Posted by badboy (Post 1932235)

1. Donta Hightower ILB/OLB Alabama 6'2" 265 4.62 vert: 32" arms 32 5/8


2. Marvin McNutt WR Iowa 6'3" 216 4.54

3. Mike Martin Michigan NT 6' 1 3/8" 36" vert 225 bench 36x

4a. Tommy Streeter WR Miami, Fla. 6'4" 215 4.40 vert 33"

4b. Ryan Broyles slot/PR OKLA 5'10" 192 4.46 (projected)

5. Winston Guy SS/FS/CB Kentucky 6'1"218

6. Randy Bullock K Texas A&M 5'9" 212 29/33 FG 55/57 extra pts.

7. Lonnie Edwards LG Texas Tech 6'4" 322

UDFAs: Chad Diehl FB CLemson 6'2" 257 one trick pony but exactly what's needed.
UDFAs: TBob Hebert (yeah that guy's son) LSU C/OG 6'3" 300 started 11 center 2010 and 5 OG 2011. Myer's replacement 2-3 yrs.
UDFA: at least one QB & a TE

:aggressive:

I like it; if the Texans draft turns out this way i would be a happy fan.

Hightower- ILB is a need, and Hightower fills it. Good player at a good spot in the round.

McNutt- Not wild about the guy, but he should become a decent number 2 receiver. A safe pick, in my opinion. Wont be a "wow" guy, but at the end of the year you will look at how much he produced and will take notice.

Martin- LOVE IT!!!

Streeter- Boom or bust guy in my opinion. On one hand, he certainly looks the part. On the other, he is a bit of a one year wonder, and I do question his hands a bit.

Broyles- I like the player, but you are going pretty heavy on receivers. Get rid of Streeter and you have yourself a deal. That is not to say I would be unhappy here- I like the player. I just think 3 WR's is a bit excessive.

Guy- Nice pick.

Bullock- Nice pick

Edwards- this late we all have our pet players. I am not a fan, but what the heck, it is the 7th round.

Your UDFAs look solid as well.

76Texan 04-05-2012 05:25 PM

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Originally Posted by rmartin65 (Post 1932245)
I like it; if the Texans draft turns out this way i would be a happy fan.

Hightower- ILB is a need, and Hightower fills it. Good player at a good spot in the round.

McNutt- Not wild about the guy, but he should become a decent number 2 receiver. A safe pick, in my opinion. Wont be a "wow" guy, but at the end of the year you will look at how much he produced and will take notice.

Martin- LOVE IT!!!

Streeter- Boom or bust guy in my opinion. On one hand, he certainly looks the part. On the other, he is a bit of a one year wonder, and I do question his hands a bit.

Broyles- I like the player, but you are going pretty heavy on receivers. Get rid of Streeter and you have yourself a deal. That is not to say I would be unhappy here- I like the player. I just think 3 WR's is a bit excessive.

Guy- Nice pick.

Bullock- Nice pick

Edwards- this late we all have our pet players. I am not a fan, but what the heck, it is the 7th round.

Your UDFAs look solid as well.

I think Streeter in the fourth has more value than McNutt in the second.
In the second, you expect the guy to become a good number 2, at least.

In the fourth, if the guy has potential to become number one, you draft him for the ceiling; if he ends up becoming the 4th or 5th receiver on the team, it ain't no big deal.

rmartin65 04-05-2012 05:55 PM

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Originally Posted by 76Texan (Post 1932255)
I think Streeter in the fourth has more value than McNutt in the second.
In the second, you expect the guy to become a good number 2, at least.

In the fourth, if the guy has potential to become number one, you draft him for the ceiling; if he ends up becoming the 4th or 5th receiver on the team, it ain't no big deal.

But that is only if Streeter pans out. In my opinion, McNutt is a pretty safe bet to become a solid 2 receiver, worst case scenario he becomes a 3rd option kind of guy. Streeter could be good, but I think he busts in the pros. I would rather have a sure number two picked in the second than a 5th receiver picked in the 4th.

Corrosion 04-05-2012 06:06 PM

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I like it .... :specnatz:

Lucky 04-05-2012 08:06 PM

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I would've taken more wide receivers. And more cowbell.

TimeKiller 04-05-2012 08:33 PM

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I like McNutt but I think you have him overrated by a round. Take him 3rd and get a better DL prospect than Martin. I like your later round selections better than the early ones. I agree about getting a kicker, get your man while you can. 6th round pick, it's worth it.

beerlover 04-05-2012 09:52 PM

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Originally Posted by TimeKiller (Post 1932326)
I like McNutt but I think you have him overrated by a round. Take him 3rd and get a better DL prospect than Martin. I like your later round selections better than the early ones. I agree about getting a kicker, get your man while you can. 6th round pick, it's worth it.

Your not alone by any means but just wonder why people are so down on Mike Martin?

I remember when Mitchell came out a couple years ago & I had him in the 5th round of my last mock in 2010, NFL DRAFT SCOUT had him ranked like 6-7th rd. yet Texans took him early in round 3 or about where badboy, rmartin65 & myself have Martin projected. Just what are we missing? Personally I've got him graded two rounds higher than Mitchell? He is a four year starter @ big football program Michigan, plays at a very consistant level & just dominated in the Senior Bowl against highly rated Ohio State rival Brewster. So please enlighten us with your insight in this matter :cool:

beerlover 04-05-2012 09:55 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by 76Texan (Post 1932255)
I think Streeter in the fourth has more value than McNutt in the second.
In the second, you expect the guy to become a good number 2, at least.

In the fourth, if the guy has potential to become number one, you draft him for the ceiling; if he ends up becoming the 4th or 5th receiver on the team, it ain't no big deal.

so what in your opinion was Jacoby Jones or is it no big deal?

76Texan 04-06-2012 12:43 AM

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Originally Posted by beerlover (Post 1932358)
so what in your opinion was Jacoby Jones or is it no big deal?

Jacoby was drafted before the middle of the third.
None of us knew much about him at the time.

As a third rounder, you expect a serviceable 2nd receiver, which he was.

The fact that I was probably the first one who raised concern about his small hands at his first TC (and his lack of focus from time to time in the years following) aside, Jacoby wasn't a bad deal, except the coaches also wanted to see him as a playmaker in special team. He gave them some, he took away some. I was among those who would rather not have him on special team despite the fact that he can give us some good return.

Personally, I had no clue as to how Jacoby would fare as a NFL prospect because I had no tape on him, so I didn't have an opinion on him as a prospect.
I only had an opinion on how the coaches wanted more value and tried to get more out of something that wasn't quite there.

badboy 04-06-2012 02:37 PM

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Originally Posted by 76Texan (Post 1932255)
I think Streeter in the fourth has more value than McNutt in the second.
In the second, you expect the guy to become a good number 2, at least.

In the fourth, if the guy has potential to become number one, you draft him for the ceiling; if he ends up becoming the 4th or 5th receiver on the team, it ain't no big deal.

Exactly my thinking. I did not begin focusing on McNutt until about mid-season but he just looks solid. AS 65 said, no "WOW" but I think WR2.Streeter could bust but nothing to indicate he will not repeat last season and with our offense...could be money in the bank. Isn't Hill the same as a boom or bust guy? Maehl or LeStar Jean could bust or boom also and we need something to hit for back end of corps. I'm willing to give Streeter until his second year to develop.

badboy 04-06-2012 02:38 PM

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Originally Posted by rmartin65 (Post 1932267)
But that is only if Streeter pans out. In my opinion, McNutt is a pretty safe bet to become a solid 2 receiver, worst case scenario he becomes a 3rd option kind of guy. Streeter could be good, but I think he busts in the pros. I would rather have a sure number two picked in the second than a 5th receiver picked in the 4th.

best case both are good and we are set. :handshake:

badboy 04-06-2012 02:45 PM

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Originally Posted by TimeKiller (Post 1932326)
I like McNutt but I think you have him overrated by a round. Take him 3rd and get a better DL prospect than Martin. I like your later round selections better than the early ones. I agree about getting a kicker, get your man while you can. 6th round pick, it's worth it.

I wanted better NT than Martin and changed him in and out but in end believed he is best. Chapman was who I was going with but the injury + a report his legs were not as strong as I thought in his anchor bothered me. I am not certain Chapman's lateral weakness was the ACL only. Martin is just so strong. I thought McNutt might be there in 3rd but is best WR avail in 2nd imo so could not lose him. Also, could not see using a 2nd for NTs as only Ta'Amu might drop to us in 2nd and rose seems to be off the bloom with his so so Senior Bowl. I thought he showed stamina but most critics panned his over all performance.

mussop 04-06-2012 06:31 PM

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Looks like somebody has a WR fetish! :turtle: Don't totaly hate it but there are to many positions lacking in depth to spend 3 of our top 5 picks on any one position.

TimeKiller 04-06-2012 06:48 PM

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Originally Posted by beerlover (Post 1932357)
Your not alone by any means but just wonder why people are so down on Mike Martin?

I remember when Mitchell came out a couple years ago & I had him in the 5th round of my last mock in 2010, NFL DRAFT SCOUT had him ranked like 6-7th rd. yet Texans took him early in round 3 or about where badboy, rmartin65 & myself have Martin projected. Just what are we missing? Personally I've got him graded two rounds higher than Mitchell? He is a four year starter @ big football program Michigan, plays at a very consistant level & just dominated in the Senior Bowl against highly rated Ohio State rival Brewster. So please enlighten us with your insight in this matter :cool:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RqCyK...eature=related
I guess you could call it a tie on Martin v. Brewster.

I could ask you what you see when you watch him playing, personally I see a guy who isn't explosive or creative enough to matter pass rushing and is easily blocked by the interior on run plays. He doesn't have the quicks or the instinct to keep up with ball carriers on the college level. It's one thing for a DT to not bring much pass rush, that's about the opposite of what Phillips wants but I'd say it's generally not a huge red flag. But a guy who doesn't pressure AND isn't a certified run plugger?

Nice combine numbers but usually we call them fellas "workout warriors".

badboy 04-06-2012 08:54 PM

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Originally Posted by mussop (Post 1932643)
Looks like somebody has a WR fetish! :turtle: Don't totaly hate it but there are to many positions lacking in depth to spend 3 of our top 5 picks on any one position.

Ok let's discuss those positions but reviewed my pick explanation first.

Yaky 04-07-2012 01:33 AM

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Originally Posted by TimeKiller (Post 1932652)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RqCyK...eature=related
I guess you could call it a tie on Martin v. Brewster.

Ryan van Bergen had a very good game. 1 sack, 2 TFL, 1 Pass broken up, a few QB hits. He can bring the pressure from inside and outside. Really starting to like this guy.

WolverineFan 04-07-2012 09:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Yaky (Post 1932763)
Ryan van Bergen had a very good game. 1 sack, 2 TFL, 1 Pass broken up, a few QB hits. He can bring the pressure from inside and outside. Really starting to like this guy.

Martin and Van Bergen are both very underrated because of how bad Michigan was during the majority of their careers. People are finally starting to see the light with Martin, but RVB is still getting no love. Someone will be very happy with him if they snag him in the 5th-6th round.

beerlover 04-07-2012 09:29 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by TimeKiller (Post 1932652)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RqCyK...eature=related
I guess you could call it a tie on Martin v. Brewster.

I could ask you what you see when you watch him playing, personally I see a guy who isn't explosive or creative enough to matter pass rushing and is easily blocked by the interior on run plays. He doesn't have the quicks or the instinct to keep up with ball carriers on the college level. It's one thing for a DT to not bring much pass rush, that's about the opposite of what Phillips wants but I'd say it's generally not a huge red flag. But a guy who doesn't pressure AND isn't a certified run plugger?

Nice combine numbers but usually we call them fellas "workout warriors".

thanks, man. Yes we do seem to differ quite a bit on Martin but that's alright it would be a boring world if everyone agreed all the time :handshake:

I see Mike as an undersized, quick as snot, run defender who's pesky style & hand to hand combat like wrestling skills serve him well. First he has a thick trunk, low built & close to ground build which helps him out leverage & get under blockers pads, thus winning most "in the phone booth" battles. Second, 64 tackles from interior linemen means he is pretty dang active in run support. 6 tackles for loss indicates he does get some penetration along with his 3.5 sacks Senior year, 10 sacks for his career @ Michigan. Third is his work ethic & non-stop motor which we see typifies a Wade Phillip defense.

In summary to find better & more immediate interior help it would require Texans to spend a higher pick. Which I have no problem with. But for the money & value as a third round pick ready to rotate inside as a rookie in the NFL I think he is a bargain here. :)


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