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bah007 02-29-2012 10:53 PM

bah007 Mock
 
This is my first mock of the offseason. Let me know what you guys think.

1. Reuben Randle WR, LSU 6'3 210
- We need an impact WR here. My first choice is Floyd but he is long gone. This may be a little bit high for Randle but I like him better than Hill, Jeffery, and Wright. Good size and speed. Catches the ball with great hands instead of letting it come into his body. Runs great routes down the field but may need a little work on his underneath routes. Decent production this year (917 yards, 8 TDs) despite the poor QB play at LSU.

2. Shea McClellin OLB, Boise St 6'3 260
- Chose McClellin over Vinny Curry. Great production. Put up 26 TFLs and 16.5 sacks in his two years as a starter. He has an explosive first step and brings speed off the edge. Has a variety of pass rush moves. Not a one trick pony. If I have any complaint it is that he could fight blockers better in the run game.

3. Trevor Guyton DE, California 6'3 285
- Guyton has experience as a 34 DE and NT for Cal. He is not an outstanding athlete and will not put too much pressure on the QB. But he always stays low coming off the line and he uses his hands well. He won't be pushed off the ball often and he can stand his ground against double teams. Had 21 TFLs and 10 sacks in his two years starting at Cal, pretty good numbers for a guy who was used primarily to tie up blockers for Cal's LBs.

4. Trenton Robinson FS, Michigan St 5'10 195
- I took Robinson over Janzen Jackson as I have him rated a little bit higher. He has CB size and speed, but doesn't quite have the hips to play the position. He is strong in zone coverage and way above average in man coverage for a safety. He is a willing and able tackler. Not the biggest guy, but he is compact and has no problem coming up to hit somebody. He can also help out on special teams. Accumulated 223 tackles and 9 INTs (8 in the last two seasons) in three years as a starter.

5. David Molk C, Michigan 6'1 298
- Strictly a zone blocking guy. Made all the line calls for Michigan the last few years. He has a high football IQ. Good athlete who uses strong hands and great technique to help in the run game. He moves well and gets to the second level easily. His shorter arms don't help him in pass protection but he does better than you would expect from a guy his size.

6. Austin Davis QB, Southern Miss 6'2 219
- Good athlete with an average arm. Doesn't have ideal height. His deep ball isn't as accurate as you would like. He uses his athleticism to his advantage but doesn't rely on it. Makes good decisions and takes care of the football. Goes through his progressions and doesn't force the ball. Looks off defenders and has a pro ready delivery. Might struggle to put enough juice on some NFL throws. Three year starter (lost his sophomore year to injury). Put up over 3000 yards and 20 TDs every year. Career TD:INT ratio of 83-27. In 45 career starts he only had four games with multiple INTs.

6. Chris Marve ILB, Vanderbilt 6'0 242
- Four year starter in the SEC. Team leader with a nonstop motor. He is undersized and he isn't the best athlete but he takes care of business. Sometimes struggles to get off blocks but his top notch football awareness always takes him to the ball. He is solid depth and can help on special teams. Tallied 398 tackles, 30 TFLs, and 8 forced fumbles in his four years at Vanderbilt.

Brandon420tx 02-29-2012 11:24 PM

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I love the Shea McClellin and Molk picks.
I wouldn't mind Randle, and I wouldn't mind double dipping later in the draft at WR.
Neither like nor dislike the other picks

Corrosion 03-01-2012 12:57 AM

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Love 1 , 2 & 5 .... would be a happy fan if the draft fell that way.

WolverineFan 03-01-2012 01:08 AM

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I'll take Randle if Floyd is gone, although I'd rather trade back. He has a lot of potential, but I'm not as high on him as others.

Love the McClellin and Guyton picks. Guyton is very underrated, would be a beast in Wade's defense.

I'm so-so on Robinson, but I love the Molk pick. He is going to be a steal for a ZBS team.

Davis is a good developmental QB prospect and Marve is a good pick for a depth LB/ST player.

Honestly, I would love for the draft to fall this way.

otisbean 03-01-2012 05:42 AM

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I wouldn't mind this draft at all.

TimeKiller 03-01-2012 10:06 AM

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Got a couple guys to read up on but pretty solid draft. I wouldn't be overly thrilled nor pissed about it. Definitely expect more than 1 WR though.

Insideop 03-01-2012 10:55 AM

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I like this mock. It seems like a more realistic mock than some of the others I've looked at. Randle is a probable pick in the 1st and McClellin is more likely to be there in the 2nd than Curry. Guyton is a solid pick in the 3rd but I don't know if the Texans will pick another DE. They may go NT and move Mitchell in to the DE rotation.

Don't know anything about Robinson in the 4th but they could go for a Safety here to develop. Love Molk in the 5th and think he would be ideal for the Texans. As for Davis, they could go for another QB if Leinart leaves. Don't know about Marve in the 7th but I do think the Texans need more ILB depth.

Overall, good job and well thought out! :texflag:

beerlover 03-01-2012 01:12 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by bah007 (Post 1907360)
This is my first mock of the offseason. Let me know what you guys think.

1. Reuben Randle WR, LSU 6'3 210
- We need an impact WR here. My first choice is Floyd but he is long gone. This may be a little bit high for Randle but I like him better than Hill, Jeffery, and Wright. Good size and speed. Catches the ball with great hands instead of letting it come into his body. Runs great routes down the field but may need a little work on his underneath routes. Decent production this year (917 yards, 8 TDs) despite the poor QB play at LSU.

2. Shea McClellin OLB, Boise St 6'3 260
- Chose McClellin over Vinny Curry. Great production. Put up 26 TFLs and 16.5 sacks in his two years as a starter. He has an explosive first step and brings speed off the edge. Has a variety of pass rush moves. Not a one trick pony. If I have any complaint it is that he could fight blockers better in the run game.

3. Trevor Guyton DE, California 6'3 285
- Guyton has experience as a 34 DE and NT for Cal. He is not an outstanding athlete and will not put too much pressure on the QB. But he always stays low coming off the line and he uses his hands well. He won't be pushed off the ball often and he can stand his ground against double teams. Had 21 TFLs and 10 sacks in his two years starting at Cal, pretty good numbers for a guy who was used primarily to tie up blockers for Cal's LBs.

4. Trenton Robinson FS, Michigan St 5'10 195
- I took Robinson over Janzen Jackson as I have him rated a little bit higher. He has CB size and speed, but doesn't quite have the hips to play the position. He is strong in zone coverage and way above average in man coverage for a safety. He is a willing and able tackler. Not the biggest guy, but he is compact and has no problem coming up to hit somebody. He can also help out on special teams. Accumulated 223 tackles and 9 INTs (8 in the last two seasons) in three years as a starter.

5. David Molk C, Michigan 6'1 298
- Strictly a zone blocking guy. Made all the line calls for Michigan the last few years. He has a high football IQ. Good athlete who uses strong hands and great technique to help in the run game. He moves well and gets to the second level easily. His shorter arms don't help him in pass protection but he does better than you would expect from a guy his size.

6. Austin Davis QB, Southern Miss 6'2 219
- Good athlete with an average arm. Doesn't have ideal height. His deep ball isn't as accurate as you would like. He uses his athleticism to his advantage but doesn't rely on it. Makes good decisions and takes care of the football. Goes through his progressions and doesn't force the ball. Looks off defenders and has a pro ready delivery. Might struggle to put enough juice on some NFL throws. Three year starter (lost his sophomore year to injury). Put up over 3000 yards and 20 TDs every year. Career TD:INT ratio of 83-27. In 45 career starts he only had four games with multiple INTs.

6. Chris Marve ILB, Vanderbilt 6'0 242
- Four year starter in the SEC. Team leader with a nonstop motor. He is undersized and he isn't the best athlete but he takes care of business. Sometimes struggles to get off blocks but his top notch football awareness always takes him to the ball. He is solid depth and can help on special teams. Tallied 398 tackles, 30 TFLs, and 8 forced fumbles in his four years at Vanderbilt.

Like 2nd rd. pick more than 1st. both make sense.
Cal always produces good 3-4 DL prospects
Would target QB earlier like 4th if you want someone who can compete for roster spot with Leinart so Texans can release him & save cap space.
Marve is your sleeper pick.

amazing80 03-01-2012 08:46 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by bah007 (Post 1907360)
This is my first mock of the offseason. Let me know what you guys think.

1. Reuben Randle WR, LSU 6'3 210
- We need an impact WR here. My first choice is Floyd but he is long gone. This may be a little bit high for Randle but I like him better than Hill, Jeffery, and Wright. Good size and speed. Catches the ball with great hands instead of letting it come into his body. Runs great routes down the field but may need a little work on his underneath routes. Decent production this year (917 yards, 8 TDs) despite the poor QB play at LSU.

2. Shea McClellin OLB, Boise St 6'3 260
- Chose McClellin over Vinny Curry. Great production. Put up 26 TFLs and 16.5 sacks in his two years as a starter. He has an explosive first step and brings speed off the edge. Has a variety of pass rush moves. Not a one trick pony. If I have any complaint it is that he could fight blockers better in the run game.

3. Trevor Guyton DE, California 6'3 285
- Guyton has experience as a 34 DE and NT for Cal. He is not an outstanding athlete and will not put too much pressure on the QB. But he always stays low coming off the line and he uses his hands well. He won't be pushed off the ball often and he can stand his ground against double teams. Had 21 TFLs and 10 sacks in his two years starting at Cal, pretty good numbers for a guy who was used primarily to tie up blockers for Cal's LBs.

4. Trenton Robinson FS, Michigan St 5'10 195
- I took Robinson over Janzen Jackson as I have him rated a little bit higher. He has CB size and speed, but doesn't quite have the hips to play the position. He is strong in zone coverage and way above average in man coverage for a safety. He is a willing and able tackler. Not the biggest guy, but he is compact and has no problem coming up to hit somebody. He can also help out on special teams. Accumulated 223 tackles and 9 INTs (8 in the last two seasons) in three years as a starter.

5. David Molk C, Michigan 6'1 298
- Strictly a zone blocking guy. Made all the line calls for Michigan the last few years. He has a high football IQ. Good athlete who uses strong hands and great technique to help in the run game. He moves well and gets to the second level easily. His shorter arms don't help him in pass protection but he does better than you would expect from a guy his size.

6. Austin Davis QB, Southern Miss 6'2 219
- Good athlete with an average arm. Doesn't have ideal height. His deep ball isn't as accurate as you would like. He uses his athleticism to his advantage but doesn't rely on it. Makes good decisions and takes care of the football. Goes through his progressions and doesn't force the ball. Looks off defenders and has a pro ready delivery. Might struggle to put enough juice on some NFL throws. Three year starter (lost his sophomore year to injury). Put up over 3000 yards and 20 TDs every year. Career TD:INT ratio of 83-27. In 45 career starts he only had four games with multiple INTs.

6. Chris Marve ILB, Vanderbilt 6'0 242
- Four year starter in the SEC. Team leader with a nonstop motor. He is undersized and he isn't the best athlete but he takes care of business. Sometimes struggles to get off blocks but his top notch football awareness always takes him to the ball. He is solid depth and can help on special teams. Tallied 398 tackles, 30 TFLs, and 8 forced fumbles in his four years at Vanderbilt.

Not a fan of Randle, not sure why, just not a fan. I think at this point NT would be best or even a guy like Mark Barron because WR is so deep in this class.....

Even if Mario leaves, I think a vet. would be best, or even a later round pick, we desperately need a nt and wr in this draft JMO


Same for the third round pick, I guess the mock overall is OK with player selection, but based on needs and free agents available, I think we need slightly different positions than what you're drafting

WR
NT
OG depth
SS
OLB
CB
ILB
DE

That is how I would rank our needs

WolverineFan 03-02-2012 04:36 PM

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Why does everyone insist that NT is a huge need when the coaches have said the opposite. The only reason I think we would go NT early is to find a successor for Cody (who is a FA next year) or to find a rotation player so we could move Mitchell to DE, where he's a more natural fit.

Mr teX 03-02-2012 05:03 PM

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Originally Posted by WolverineFan (Post 1908314)
Why does everyone insist that NT is a huge need when the coaches have said the opposite. The only reason I think we would go NT early is to find a successor for Cody (who is a FA next year) or to find a rotation player so we could move Mitchell to DE, where he's a more natural fit.



Exactly. We don't need a big space eating NT. Wade said it wasn't a necessity to run his system at the beginning of the season last year, that was backed up by last season's success on defense with "puny" Cody & Mitchell (not as if it hadn't been proven at Wade's other stops) & people on this board are still screaming for a DT.

WADE DOESN"T NEED THE TRADITIONAL NT FOLKS!!!!!!!

stop it already.

TimeKiller 03-02-2012 05:56 PM

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Originally Posted by WolverineFan (Post 1908314)
Why does everyone insist that NT is a huge need when the coaches have said the opposite. The only reason I think we would go NT early is to find a successor for Cody (who is a FA next year) or to find a rotation player so we could move Mitchell to DE, where he's a more natural fit.

I think you said it all, our NT are an aging, journeyman hustle type guy and a guy playing out of position. Getting another guy up front will most likely be addressed.

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Originally Posted by Mr teX (Post 1908329)
Exactly. We don't need a big space eating NT. Wade said it wasn't a necessity to run his system at the beginning of the season last year, that was backed up by last season's success on defense with "puny" Cody & Mitchell (not as if it hadn't been proven at Wade's other stops) & people on this board are still screaming for a DT.

WADE DOESN"T NEED THE TRADITIONAL NT FOLKS!!!!!!!

stop it already.

Who said anything about size?

WolverineFan 03-02-2012 08:24 PM

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90% of the board is on about a "big, space-eating" NT type. That's where this rant is coming from. Do we need more depth on the D-Line? Yes. Do we need a 340 lb guy? Absolutely not.

Corrosion 03-02-2012 08:36 PM

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Originally Posted by WolverineFan (Post 1908314)
Why does everyone insist that NT is a huge need when the coaches have said the opposite. The only reason I think we would go NT early is to find a successor for Cody (who is a FA next year) or to find a rotation player so we could move Mitchell to DE, where he's a more natural fit.

I agree with you - Cody has been the Texans most effective & consistent DL over the past two seasons .... Not that the position couldnt be upgraded but .... You cant have an ALL PRO at every position , the cost is just too great.

Earl Mitchell hasnt been bad either , tho not as good as Cody.

Sure, the position could use some depth and if you could find a reasonably priced upgrade , do it ..... But its not a position that you look at and say "We have to have an upgrade or else". The only position you say that about is WR as currently constructed (pre FA).

I think people fail to realize that the Texans had the 3rd ranked run defense in the entire NFL last season with Cody as the anchor .... 96 ypg during the season and only 81 ypg in the playoffs.

Consider that this team picked up the schemes on the fly with no offseason .... we should expect them to get even better in the near future.

That front seven is one of the best in the league (with or without MW).

Insideop 03-02-2012 09:45 PM

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Originally Posted by WolverineFan (Post 1908435)
90% of the board is on about a "big, space-eating" NT type. That's where this rant is coming from. Do we need more depth on the D-Line? Yes. Do we need a 340 lb guy? Absolutely not.

I'm leaning towards someone like Mike Martin, Josh Chapman, or Brandon Thompson somewhere between the 2nd and 4th rounds. They are all close to 310 lbs and should provide good depth behind Cody. Then Mitchell can be rotated with the DE's or the NT's. Having Mitchell able to play either position is a great tool to have. Not saying Wade will do this, but it sure would be nice.

WolverineFan 03-02-2012 09:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Insideop (Post 1908468)
I'm leaning towards someone like Mike Martin, Josh Chapman, or Brandon Thompson somewhere between the 2nd and 4th rounds. They are all close to 310 lbs and should provide good depth behind Cody. Then Mitchell can be rotated with the DE's or the NT's. Having Mitchell able to play either position is a great tool to have. Not saying Wade will do this, but it sure would be nice.

That's the camp I'm in. I have no interest in a guy like Poe in the 1st round like a ton of people on this board are hoping for.

amazing80 03-03-2012 10:23 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by WolverineFan (Post 1908314)
Why does everyone insist that NT is a huge need when the coaches have said the opposite. The only reason I think we would go NT early is to find a successor for Cody (who is a FA next year) or to find a rotation player so we could move Mitchell to DE, where he's a more natural fit.

So they are suppose to come out and say NT is our main priority we will draft one in rd 1, please do not draft our guy all other 31 teams, thank you


:overreact:

Corrosion 03-03-2012 04:33 PM

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Originally Posted by amazing80 (Post 1908568)
So they are suppose to come out and say NT is our main priority we will draft one in rd 1, please do not draft our guy all other 31 teams, thank you


:overreact:

Teams spin their needs post draft just to create a buzz .... we all know they are gonna say something like "we got our guy" or "we like our picks", no matter who they draft.

WR is probably the most pressing need and outside of a PR/KR .... the Texans have no other real glaring weakness in the roster.
If they end up taking a position other than WR in the first because they dont rate those remaining at the position as first round talent , Im fine with that. Its better than reaching for a lesser player early and paying them a premium contract.

TimeKiller 03-03-2012 05:14 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by WolverineFan (Post 1908435)
90% of the board is on about a "big, space-eating" NT type. That's where this rant is coming from. Do we need more depth on the D-Line? Yes. Do we need a 340 lb guy? Absolutely not.

I think they want football players of any size. Saying "we don't need a human planet to make it work" and "we will never pick a human planet, ever, ever." are two different things. Ta'amu is a good player IMO. I think it's quite possible he's a Texan. His size is just a bonus.

badboy 03-03-2012 05:22 PM

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I am the voice of disagreement with you guys. Kubes used to talk about smaller lighter RBs doing well in the ZBS but that did not work out so well for us. DD was sole successful back & they ran him into ground. I argued for years to get a big fast RB & behold Foster Tate and Ward have been talk of the town. Big and fast and GOOD is better than smaller fast and GOOD.

Poe should be an outstanding Nose IF you evaluate based on prime directive of that position. Clog the running lane and tie up as many blockers as you can. Ta'Amu also fits. Do you want the Nose to disrupt the QB? Of course but how many DTs actually do that in NFL? Not many.

I agree with Corrosion that Texans want WR but imo not gonna get a starter #26 unless my guy Wright is there. Trade down!!


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