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Playoffs 02-16-2012 02:09 AM

Mike Mayock on 2012 Draft
 
Too much info to parse out all the tweet remnants, but I cleaned out a lot of it and posting the rest as is. Would read bottom to top.
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Most interesting Mayock nuggets: 1) Jeffery, Burfict not worth 1st-day picks 2) Tannehill surefire 1st-rder 3) Kendall Wright top-15 player.
9h
Mayock on Dre Kirkpatrick arrest: "Didn't turn out to be much. I don't think in the world of the NFL .. that it's going to hurt him at all."
9h
Mayock on #Alabama RB Trent Richardson: "Tremendous feet for size. Really good balance & vision. This kid is tough and he's a 3-down back."
10h
Mayock on #Baylor WR Kendall Wright: "I think he'll run a sub-4.4 and probably go in the top-15 picks."
10h
Mayock on #Florida WR/RB Chris Rainey: "Might run 4.25. Quick, explosive, fast. Catches well. A lot of people value him in 3rd or 4th rd."
10h
Mayock has 4th-round grade on Kirk Cousins. Draft him as a backup and he has "some potential to be a T.J. Yates."
10h
Mayock on #MichiganState QB Kirk Cousins: "Good feet, good athlete. Good, not great arm. Thought he had trouble moving, throwing to left."
10h
Mayock on #OklahomaState WR Justin Blackmon: "As long as he runs 4.5s or better ... I don't see any way he could get past No. 7.
10h
More Mayock on Darius Fleming: "Natural rush ability no matter where you line him up. He's a draftable DE/OLB/ST. Gonna surprise some ppl."
10h
Mayock on #NotreDame OLB Darius Fleming: "Surprised he's not higher rated. Once teams put tape on, they say wow there's something here."
10h
Mayock on #UNC DEQuinton Coples: "I'm not a (fan). I'd be scared to death there because he did not play well or hard as a senior."
10h
Mayock on Brandon Weeden-Chris Weinke comparisons: "I think he's much more developed than that and a better quarterback than that."
10h
Mayock says #Memphis NT Dontari Poe has Haloti Ngata upside. "He's that big & has that kind of movement skills. But he's so raw it's scary."
10h
Mayock on possibility of Luke Kuechly to #Eagles: "I think he starts day one & really solidifies what they've got going on up front there."
10h
Mayock on #LSU DT Michael Brockers: "Potential top-10 pick. He's a really explosive 6'5/300 defensive tackle. Concern is he's a 1-year guy."
10h
Mayock on #Georgia TE Orson Charles: "I think he's a second-round pick that goes somewhere between 33 and 45."
10h
Mayock on #Baylor QB Robert Griffin: "Bottom line, to me, is he is a playmaker. He is a playmaker and that's what this league is all about."
10h
Mayock on #Browns trade up: "If it's me, I'm looking at that hard. I'm looking to get RG3." Calls QB "most important position in sports."
10h
Mayock doesn't believe #Iowa LT Riley Reiff is a top-10 talent in the draft, but very well could be due to the "value of the position."
10h
Mayock on #Alabama RB Trent Richardson: "I think the last guy where you banged the table this hard was Peterson when he was the 7th pick."
10h
Mayock on #OhioState WR DeVier Posey: "I think he's a mid-round wide receiver. Does everything pretty well, nothing elite."
10h
Mayock on #OhioState LT Mike Adams: "Helped himself at the Senior Bowl. Most people had 2nd-round grades on him but he's moving up."
10h
Mayock on #Stanford OT Jonathan Martin: "Gifted athletically. Needs to get a little bit stronger but will protect the quarterback."
11h
Mayock on #NotreDame WR Michael Floyd: "Cleaned himself up on and off the field. Exceptional (senior) year. He needs to run well."
11h
Mayock on Mohamed Sanu: "Not sudden, doesn't have great acceleration." Said that like Alshon Jeffery, Sanu does not create separation.
11h
Mayock says 4 receivers should be drafted in the 1st round: Blackmon, Kendall Wright, Michael Floyd, Rueben Randle. Not Jeffery or Sanu.
11h
Mayock said he has heard rumors about Jeffery ballooning up. Emphasized that Jeffery "does not separate" and must be in shape at Combine.
11h
More Mayock on Alshon Jeffery: "Big and fast is good. Big and slow is bad. Bottom line is ... he has got to run well."
11h
Mayock on Alshon Jeffery: "Does not separate. What those guys run is important. He needs to run somewhere in those mid 4.5s."
11h
More Mayock on RG3: "He'll stay in (the pocket) and take hits. He initially looks to get the football down the field. And I like that."
11h
Mayock on RG3: "I love everything about the kid. Question I have is, he doesn't throw w/ anticipation. In that offense, he doesn't have to."
11h
Mayock described David Wilson as a "downhill, one-cut back" with highly impressive feet. "I've got him as a second-round guy."
11h
Mayock on #VaTech RB David Wilson: "There's some ppl that think he could be a 1st-round pick. Really quick, great feet and balance."
11h
Mayock says he just put on Vontaze Burfict's tape, forgetting about off-field & penalties. And Burfict was an unimpressive football player.
11h
More Mayock on Vontaze Burfict: "Instincts aren't good, gets enveloped by big bodies, runs around blocks. I don't see first round at all."
11h
Mayock on Vontaze Burfict: "I'm not a fan at all. I just watched a bunch of his tape the other day. I came away unimpressed."
11h
More Mayock on Kuechly: "Playmaking & instincts are so good." Compares to #Cowboys LB Sean Lee, but better athleticism, has never been hurt.
11h
Mayock on Luke Kuechly: "Best inside linebacker in draft by far. More production than you can ever imagine. Better athlete than ppl think."
11h
Mayock on Matt Kalil: "Wonderfully gifted. Great feet, long arms, fits athleticism bill for an All-Pro left tackle." Lacks "core strength."
11h
Mayock expects Ryan Tannehill to be a "first-round guy." Says decision-making issues are fixable, perhaps with more experience.
11h
Mayock on Ryan Tannehill: "Big strong athlete with a really good arm. ... (But) lacks anticipation & too often throws into coverage."
11h
Mayock expects #Stanford QB Andrew Luck to run 40 time in the 4.7s. "But more than anything, he's gonna win the battle in the board rooms."
11h
Mayock had issue with reporter asking him to compare recent 1st-rd QBs to Andrew Luck and rank: "What are we playing fantasy football here?"
11h
Mayock on RG3: "One of the most gifted kids in the last several years. ... Maybe the most exciting young player in this year's draft."
11h
Mayock says wide receiver is #Patriots biggest need. "Vertical wide receiver could really help them."
11h
Mayock: #Wisconsin OLs Peter Konz & Kevin Zeitler are both "late one to mid two" -round picks. Says interior OL is strength of draft class.
11h
Mayock says #Illinois DE Whitney Mercilus is more of a "late one, early two." Draft stock will be helped by weak class of defensive ends.
11h
Mayock on Whitney Mercilus: "Fairly gifted kid. Some natural pass-rush ability. Little bit of a 1-yr wonder. Not stout at point of attack."
12h
Mayock also pulled Zach Brown of #UNC & Vontaze Burfict of #ArizonaSt out of his top-5 linebackers. Replaced by Ronnell Lewis, Sean Spence.

KMG 365 02-19-2012 12:21 AM

Re: Mayock conference call as tweeted by Evan Silva
 
You can read the entire Mike Mayock conference call transcript by clicking here.

otisbean 02-19-2012 05:44 AM

Re: Mayock conference call as tweeted by Evan Silva
 
Thanks for typing that out! Mike is the best in the business.

76Texan 02-19-2012 03:24 PM

Re: Mayock conference call as tweeted by Evan Silva
 
Thanks, guys.

Playoffs 02-19-2012 06:28 PM

Re: Mayock conference call as tweeted by Evan Silva
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by KMG 365 (Post 1902388)
You can read the entire Mike Mayock conference call transcript by clicking here.

Thanks ... to repeat:

Click here for full Mayock transcript.

Playoffs 02-21-2012 01:18 PM

Re: Mayock conference call as tweeted by Evan Silva
 
http://hqplayer.nbcsports.com/Player.html?PID=44

Mayock on the horn with self promoter, errr, sports reporter Mike Florio,

Skip to segment #2.



Edit: Never mind ... virtually no added info/value from this. Should have known better.

Mr teX 02-21-2012 01:41 PM

Re: Mayock conference call as tweeted by Evan Silva
 
Mayock on #Baylor WR Kendall Wright: "I think he'll run a sub-4.4 and probably go in the top-15 picks."


Interesting................




Mayock on Mohamed Sanu: "Not sudden, doesn't have great acceleration." Said that like Alshon Jeffery, Sanu does not create separation.

Mayock says 4 receivers should be drafted in the 1st round: Blackmon, Kendall Wright, Michael Floyd, Rueben Randle. Not Jeffery or Sanu.


Mayock said he has heard [b]rumors about Jeffery ballooning up. Emphasized that Jeffery "does not separate" and must be in shape at Combine.

More Mayock on Alshon Jeffery: "Big and fast is good. Big and slow is bad. Bottom line is ... he has got to run well."

Mayock on Alshon Jeffery: "Does not separate. What those guys run is important. He needs to run somewhere in those mid 4.5s."

Not good.............

TimeKiller 02-21-2012 03:20 PM

Re: Mayock conference call as tweeted by Evan Silva
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr teX (Post 1903479)
Mayock on #Baylor WR Kendall Wright: "I think he'll run a sub-4.4 and probably go in the top-15 picks."


Interesting................




Mayock on Mohamed Sanu: "Not sudden, doesn't have great acceleration." Said that like Alshon Jeffery, Sanu does not create separation.

Mayock says 4 receivers should be drafted in the 1st round: Blackmon, Kendall Wright, Michael Floyd, Rueben Randle. Not Jeffery or Sanu.


Mayock said he has heard [b]rumors about Jeffery ballooning up. Emphasized that Jeffery "does not separate" and must be in shape at Combine.

More Mayock on Alshon Jeffery: "Big and fast is good. Big and slow is bad. Bottom line is ... he has got to run well."

Mayock on Alshon Jeffery: "Does not separate. What those guys run is important. He needs to run somewhere in those mid 4.5s."

Not good.............

Yeah that worries me about Sanu, I've been touting his name as a possible 1st for the Texans. Seems like when you watch him on highlights he is blowing past people and making plays, I guess that's just highlights for you. I'm a "timed speed on a track is overrated" kind of guy but if he can't get open, the hands, the elusive running after the catch, the size, the route running ability is all for nothing.

Playoffs 02-21-2012 05:31 PM

Re: Mayock conference call as tweeted by Evan Silva
 
What weight these WRs show up at, what shape they're in, and how quick they are will all be very telling about their future prospects.

Slackers need not apply. There's no time for hand-holding/molly-coddling.

Playoffs 03-22-2012 06:18 PM

Re: Mayock conference call as tweeted by Evan Silva
 
Mayock's updated position rankings

Quarterback
1. Andrew Luck, Stanford
2. Robert Griffin III, Baylor
3. Ryan Tannehill, Texas A&M
4. Brandon Weeden, Oklahoma State
5. Kirk Cousins, Michigan State

Running Back
1. Trent Richardson, Alabama
2. Doug Martin, Boise State
3. David Wilson, Virginia Tech
4. Lamar Miller, Miami (Fla.)
5. LaMichael James, Oregon

Wide Receiver
1. Justin Blackmon, Oklahoma State
3. Michael Floyd, Notre Dame
2. Kendall Wright, Baylor
4. Stephen Hill, Georgia Tech
5. Alshon Jeffery, South Carolina

Tight End
1. Coby Fleener, Stanford
2. Dwayne Allen, Clemson
3. Orson Charles, Georgia
4. Ladarius Green, Louisiana-Lafayette
5. James Hanna, Oklahoma

Rise: Fleener, Allen
Fall: Charles
Out: Deangelo Peterson, LSU

Offensive Tackle
1. Matt Kalil, USC
2. Riley Reiff, Iowa
3. Jonathan Martin, Stanford
4. Mike Adams, Ohio State
5. Cordy Glenn, Georgia

Guard
1. David DeCastro, Stanford
2. Kevin Zeitler, Wisconsin
3. Amini Silatolu, Midwestern State
4. Kelechi Osemele, Iowa State
5. Brandon Brooks, Miami (Ohio)

Center
1. Peter Konz, Wisconsin
2. Philip Blake, Baylor
3. Ben Jones, Georgia
4. David Molk, Michigan
5. Michael Brewster, Ohio State

Defensive End
1. Quinton Coples, North Carolina
2. Courtney Upshaw, Alabama
3. Nick Perry, USC
4. Vinny Curry, Marshall
5. Jared Crick, Nebraska

Defensive Tackle
1. Dontari Poe, Memphis
2. Fletcher Cox, Mississippi State
3. Michael Brockers, LSU
4. Jerel Worthy, Michigan State
T-5. Kendall Reyes, Connecticut
T-5. Devon Still, Penn St.

Rise: Still

Outside Linebacker
1. Melvin Ingram, South Carolina
2. Whitney Mercilus, Illinois
3. Andre Branch, Clemson
4. Ronnell Lewis, Oklahoma
5. Shea McClellin, Boise State

Inside Linebacker
1. Luke Kuechly, Boston College
2. Dont'a Hightower, Alabama
3. Mychal Kendricks, California
4. Keenan Robinson, Texas
5. Sean Spence, Miami

Cornerback
1. Morris Claiborne, LSU
2. Stephon Gilmore, South Carolina
3. Dre Kirkpatrick, Alabama
4. Janoris Jenkins, North Alabama
5. Josh Robinson, Central Florida

Rise: Gilmore, Kirkpatrick
Fall: Jenkins, Robinson

Safety
1. Mark Barron, Alabama
2. Harrison Smith, Notre Dame
3. Brandon Taylor, LSU
4. DeQuan Menzie, Alabama
5. Phillip Thomas, Syracuse

Playoffs 04-02-2012 06:07 PM

Re: Mike Mayock on 2012 Draft
 
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Mayock's top-5 tight ends in the draft: 1) Coby Fleener 2) Dwayne Allen 3) Orson Charles 4) Ladarius Green 5) James Hanna.
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Mayock's top-5 WRs for the 2012 draft: 1) Justin Blackmon 2) Michael Floyd 3) Kendall Wright 4) Stephen Hill 5) Alshon Jeffery.

Mayock on Michael Floyd: "Between the white lines, this kid's a beast. Physical, tough great hands. He's the best blocking WR in the draft."

More Mayock on Michael Floyd: "Gotta get comfortable with him off field. ... I think he's close to Blackmon on tape, really close."
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Mayock's top-5 DTs for 2012 draft: 1) Fletcher Cox 2) Jerel Worthy 3) Michael Brockers 4) Dontari Poe 5 (tie) Devon Still & Kendall Reyes.
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Mayock's top-5 3-4 OLBs in the draft: 1) M. Ingram 2) S. McClellin 3) W. Mercilus 4) A. Branch 5) Ronnell Lewis.

Mayock on Shea McClellin: "The more tape I watch, the more I like this kid. Put the tape on, you think Mike Vrabel. This kid makes plays."

More Mayock on McClellin: "He's a 2nd-round pick that could sneak into the 1st round." Says 3-4 teams at end of 1st should be interested.

Lucky 04-02-2012 07:27 PM

Re: Mike Mayock on 2012 Draft
 
Quote:

Mayock on Shea McClellin: "The more tape I watch, the more I like this kid. Put the tape on, you think Mike Vrabel. This kid makes plays."
OK in a span of a week, Mike Mayock takes McClellin from the #5 to the #2 OLB in the draft. Then states that after watching "more tape" he likes McClellin more. My question: What were you basing your original rankings off of? How do we know whether you've watched equal amounts of tape on all of the OLB prospects?

To me, it seems disingenuous. I firmly believe that Mayock (like Mel Kiper) gathers information on prospects from NFL contacts, and re-packages the information as his own. Sure, Mayock complies the lists and makes decisions on which information to trust. But that's not what he's selling.

From my perspective, there's been only one draft guru who wasn't a suckerfish and scouted for himself. The late Joel Buchsbaum (mistakenly called Buschbaum) of Pro Football Weekly. One of the fathers of draftnik industry, you may not have agreed with Joel, and he wasn't always right. But when Buchsbaum opined on a prospect, you knew that opinion was his own, developed in the film room.

mussop 04-02-2012 07:56 PM

Re: Mike Mayock on 2012 Draft
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Lucky (Post 1930356)
OK in a span of a week, Mike Mayock takes McClellin from the #5 to the #2 OLB in the draft. Then states that after watching "more tape" he likes McClellin more. My question: What were you basing your original rankings off of? How do we know whether you've watched equal amounts of tape on all of the OLB prospects?

To me, it seems disingenuous. I firmly believe that Mayock (like Mel Kiper) gathers information on prospects from NFL contacts, and re-packages the information as his own. Sure, Mayock complies the lists and makes decisions on which information to trust. But that's not what he's selling.

I think I know which scout he has been getting his information from.

quote "I'm thinking Shea McClellin could go in the first. The more I watch of him the more I like him. At worst he should go early second."

GP 04-02-2012 10:25 PM

Zeitler for RG, please.

Caldwell for RG2 (depth).

But on another note: WHAT IF Andre Branch falls to 26? Awfully tempting.

badboy 04-02-2012 11:06 PM

Re: Mike Mayock on 2012 Draft
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Lucky (Post 1930356)
OK in a span of a week, Mike Mayock takes McClellin from the #5 to the #2 OLB in the draft. Then states that after watching "more tape" he likes McClellin more. My question: What were you basing your original rankings off of? How do we know whether you've watched equal amounts of tape on all of the OLB prospects?

To me, it seems disingenuous. I firmly believe that Mayock (like Mel Kiper) gathers information on prospects from NFL contacts, and re-packages the information as his own. Sure, Mayock complies the lists and makes decisions on which information to trust. But that's not what he's selling.

From my perspective, there's been only one draft guru who wasn't a suckerfish and scouted for himself. The late Joel Buchsbaum (mistakenly called Buschbaum) of Pro Football Weekly. One of the fathers of draftnik industry, you may not have agreed with Joel, and he wasn't always right. But when Buchsbaum opined on a prospect, you knew that opinion was his own, developed in the film room.

I think Mayock, Kiper and the others keep churning info to stay in front of camera and seem revelant. No one including myself make comments based solely on what they watch but include opinions of others.

beerlover 04-02-2012 11:11 PM

Re: Mike Mayock on 2012 Draft
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by GP (Post 1930462)
Zeitler for RG, please.

Caldwell for RG2 (depth).

But on another note: WHAT IF Andre Branch falls to 26? Awfully tempting.

He looks more like a 4-3 end to me. Wade likes plug & play guys @ their natural positions, that's why he's so effective.

otisbean 04-03-2012 05:47 AM

Re: Mike Mayock on 2012 Draft
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Lucky (Post 1930356)
OK in a span of a week, Mike Mayock takes McClellin from the #5 to the #2 OLB in the draft. Then states that after watching "more tape" he likes McClellin more. My question: What were you basing your original rankings off of? How do we know whether you've watched equal amounts of tape on all of the OLB prospects?

To me, it seems disingenuous. I firmly believe that Mayock (like Mel Kiper) gathers information on prospects from NFL contacts, and re-packages the information as his own. Sure, Mayock complies the lists and makes decisions on which information to trust. But that's not what he's selling.

From my perspective, there's been only one draft guru who wasn't a suckerfish and scouted for himself. The late Joel Buchsbaum (mistakenly called Buschbaum) of Pro Football Weekly. One of the fathers of draftnik industry, you may not have agreed with Joel, and he wasn't always right. But when Buchsbaum opined on a prospect, you knew that opinion was his own, developed in the film room.

There was a quote last year from an unnamed GM about Mayock stating that he was one of the only Draftniks that actually studies coaches tape, and that he had some measure of respect throughout the league. This GM mentioned that other so called draft gurus were "less respected". If I can find it later I'll try to post it.

Regarding changing opinions, if Mayock does indeed study tape, consider this, if he focuses on the top 100 prospects and there is 11 games worth of footage per prospect, thats 1,100 games to watch. If some of these games have multiple prospects, that would require multiple screenings of the same game to properly evaluate each guy. That's a lot of football to watch. I don't have a problem with him changing opinions throughout the process as he studies film more. I would expect his rankings to change as time progresses and he gathers more info.

For the record, I also REALLY liked JB. He was awesome. Personally, I think Mayock is as close to JB as it gets for the current generation of draft gurus.

otisbean 04-03-2012 05:49 AM

Re: Mike Mayock on 2012 Draft
 
Mayock article:

http://www.mainlinetoday.com/core/pa...%2F&mode=print

GP 04-03-2012 08:34 AM

Re: Mike Mayock on 2012 Draft
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by beerlover (Post 1930492)
He looks more like a 4-3 end to me. Wade likes plug & play guys @ their natural positions, that's why he's so effective.

He's listed as a 3-4 OLB...and I admit I haven't watched him play, so you're saying he's better suited to a 4-3 DE because of the size and the way he plays?

Rey 04-03-2012 09:46 AM

Re: Mike Mayock on 2012 Draft
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Lucky (Post 1930356)
OK in a span of a week, Mike Mayock takes McClellin from the #5 to the #2 OLB in the draft. Then states that after watching "more tape" he likes McClellin more. My question: What were you basing your original rankings off of? How do we know whether you've watched equal amounts of tape on all of the OLB prospects?

To me, it seems disingenuous. I firmly believe that Mayock (like Mel Kiper) gathers information on prospects from NFL contacts, and re-packages the information as his own. Sure, Mayock complies the lists and makes decisions on which information to trust. But that's not what he's selling.

From my perspective, there's been only one draft guru who wasn't a suckerfish and scouted for himself. The late Joel Buchsbaum (mistakenly called Buschbaum) of Pro Football Weekly. One of the fathers of draftnik industry, you may not have agreed with Joel, and he wasn't always right. But when Buchsbaum opined on a prospect, you knew that opinion was his own, developed in the film room.


To be fair, I have changed my mind on McClellin as well. I'm not a professional draft guru either but still....

When I first watched McClellin I didn't see the flash plays. But the more I watched the more I realized that he's going to be the type of player that is there every play at the worst. Add in that he seems to have a high work ethic, high motor and I think he's one of the better players at the position. Personally, I like Bruce Irvin better as a football player, but that's besides the point which is that I like McClellin more now than I did originally...


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