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mussop 02-15-2012 08:10 PM

kipers new mock
 
1. Indianapolis Colts: QB Andrew Luck

2. St. Louis Rams: WR Justin Blackmon

3. Minnesota Vikings: OT Matt Kalil

4. Cleveland Browns: QB Robert Griffin III

5. Tampa Bay Buccaneers: RB Trent Richardson

6. Washington Redskins: CB Morris Claiborne

7. Jacksonville Jaguars: DE Quinton Coples

8. Carolina Panthers: DT Michael Brockers

9, Miami Dolphins: OT Riley Reiff

10. Buffalo Bills: LB Courtney Upshaw

11. Kansas City Chiefs: Luke Kuechly

12. Seattle Seahawks: DE Melvin Ingram

13. Arizona Cardinals: OT Jonathan Martin

14. Dallas Cowboys: S Mark Barron

15. Philadelphia Eagles: DT Fletcher Cox

16. New York Jets: G Cordy Glenn

17. Cincinnati Bengals: CB Dre Kirkpatrick

18. San Diego Chargers: WR Michael Floyd

19. Chicago Bears: OT Mike Adams

20. Tennessee Titans: DE Whitney Mercilus

21. Cincinnati Bengals: G David DeCastro

22. Cleveland Browns: WR Kendall Wright

23. Detroit Lions: CB Janoris Jenkins

24. Pittsburgh Steelers: DT Dontari Poe

25. Denver Broncos: DT Devon Still

26. Houston Texans: DT Jerel Worthy

Me likey. :kingkong:

27. New England Patriots: OLB Vinny Curry

28. Green Bay Packers: S Harrison Smith

29. Baltimore Ravens: C Peter Konz

30. San Francisco 49ers: WR Rueben Randle

31. New England Patriots: DT Kendall Reyes

32. New York Giants: TE Dwayne Allen

TimeKiller 02-15-2012 08:39 PM

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I thought Devon Still was generally considered a top 10-15 pick? If it fell like this I'd rather see Konz in a Texans uni...

mussop 02-15-2012 10:54 PM

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Originally Posted by TimeKiller (Post 1900919)
I thought Devon Still was generally considered a top 10-15 pick? If it fell like this I'd rather see Konz in a Texans uni...

Still has been falling since the senior bowl. I would love Konz but he is no Worthy!

beerlover 02-16-2012 10:10 AM

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It would be a reach to move Jerel Worthy to play a position he is not familiar with. This mock falls apart to me quickly, not a big fan of his scouting abilities.

badboy 02-16-2012 10:26 AM

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Agree with Beerlover's post.

TimeKiller 02-16-2012 01:00 PM

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Originally Posted by mussop (Post 1900967)
Still has been falling since the senior bowl. I would love Konz but he is no Worthy!

They play different positions....and Konz is best OC in the draft. Worthy isn't the best DL by a wide margin.

Dutchrudder 02-16-2012 04:53 PM

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If we don't sign Mario, Curry should be considered.
If we don't sign Myers, Konz shouldn't be passed up.
If Decastro is there, I say we take him if Myers is re-signed, regardless of what else happens.
If Michael Floyd is there, I say we take him, but only if Konz and Decastro are gone.

Lots of contingencies to consider, but we will have a much better idea by the end of March.

mussop 02-16-2012 05:48 PM

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Originally Posted by TimeKiller (Post 1901242)
They play different positions....and Konz is best OC in the draft. Worthy isn't the best DL by a wide margin.

LOL I know who they are and what position they play. I guess my attempt at word play didn't workout like I thought it would. Also, what do positional rankings have to do with the price of butter in China?



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Originally Posted by beerlover (Post 1901141)
It would be a reach to move Jerel Worthy to play a position he is not familiar with.

Like it was when we drafted JJ Watt who played 4/3 DE and started him at DE in our 3/4? Worthy's best attribute is his ability to penetrate. At 6'3" and 310 lbs with his explosive burst at the snap he could play inside or out in our defense. He is vocal and plays with alot of emotion. Can be real nasty but is has a high football IQ. He's known for pointing out things like hot receivers and run plays to team mates before plays.

If somehow he is still available when we're up at 26 we should run up to the podium. He fits this defense in so many ways its scary.

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Originally Posted by beerlover (Post 1901141)
This mock falls apart to me quickly, not a big fan of his scouting abilities.

I'm wondering about your scouting abilities after that last comment. :peek:

So where do you think this mock falls apart and why?

mussop 02-16-2012 06:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Dutchrudder (Post 1901344)
If we don't sign Mario, Curry should be considered.
If we don't sign Myers, Konz shouldn't be passed up.
If Decastro is there, I say we take him if Myers is re-signed, regardless of what else happens.
If Michael Floyd is there, I say we take him, but only if Konz and Decastro are gone.

Lots of contingencies to consider, but we will have a much better idea by the end of March.

I don't understand the line of thinking that we should draft a DE in the first round if we loose Mario. Why? I love Decastro, there aren't a lot of players I would take in front of him. If we loose Meyers we better draft Konz. I'm not sold Smithiak thinks like all the fans and the media about our WR situation. I really hope the early portion of our draft goes to adding talent to our trenches be it OL or DL.

Foster is incredible, we need to give him the best blocking possible while he is still young and at the top of his game. RB's don't last that long. With the way our defense flies around the ball we need major depth and talent in our front seven. As long as we see to it that those two things are taken care of we will be in good shape.

TimeKiller 02-16-2012 06:30 PM

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Originally Posted by mussop (Post 1901357)
LOL I know who they are and what position they play. I guess my attempt at word play didn't workout like I thought it would. Also, what do positional rankings have to do with the price of butter in China?

No it didn't. Just seemed like you thought they were comparable.

beerlover 02-16-2012 07:24 PM

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Originally Posted by mussop (Post 1901357)
Like it was when we drafted JJ Watt who played 4/3 DE and started him at DE in our 3/4? Worthy's best attribute is his ability to penetrate. At 6'3" and 310 lbs with his explosive burst at the snap he could play inside or out in our defense. He is vocal and plays with alot of emotion. Can be real nasty but is has a high football IQ. He's known for pointing out things like hot receivers and run plays to team mates before plays.

If somehow he is still available when we're up at 26 we should run up to the podium. He fits this defense in so many ways its scary.

Worthy is no 3-4 DE. He did not play similar position either @ Michigan State. Now if Texans played in a 4-3 & needed a one gap DT that would be different. To compare him to Watt is inaccurate, nor does he fit NG or played that position either. Not a fit here.

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Originally Posted by mussop (Post 1901357)
I'm wondering about your scouting abilities after that last comment. :peek:

I've seen worse but c'mon he is supposed to be the authority or are you actually..... Mel? taking my comments personel?

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Originally Posted by mussop (Post 1901357)
So where do you think this mock falls apart and why?

You don't pay me like you pay Kipper in golden laced gobblets :wesmantexanfan:

mussop 02-16-2012 10:47 PM

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Originally Posted by beerlover (Post 1901398)
Worthy is no 3-4 DE. He did not play similar position either @ Michigan State. Now if Texans played in a 4-3 & needed a one gap DT that would be different. To compare him to Watt is inaccurate, nor does he fit NG or played that position either. Not a fit here.

Watt played DE in a 4/3 then came here and played DE in a 3/4. There are numerous scouting reports out there that say he could play the 5 in a 3/4.

I've seen worse but c'mon he is supposed to be the authority or are you actually..... Mel? taking my comments personel?

Just playin!


You don't pay me like you pay Kipper in golden laced gobblets :wesmantexanfan:

I don't pay anyone for scouting reports.

Brisco_County 02-16-2012 11:43 PM

I'm not a fan of Mel Kiper, and I dislike his scouting even more. Last year he said we would take a receiver first, knowing our needs on defense.

beerlover 02-17-2012 10:54 AM

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Originally Posted by mussop (Post 1901495)
I don't pay anyone for scouting reports.

You should, might help!

Coples has great size but will need to improve technique, hence emphasis on his work ethic/consistency. His value should project to 15-20 not top 10.

Mark Barron is not a first round pick. Kirkpatrick will need to play FS doesn't have fluid hips to play corner plus not overly fast. Again both reaches.

Reiff should not be a top 10 pick, RT's should not go this high.

Those are just a sampling of nitpicks the Patriot picks are downright horrible as is the Texans pick.

Stay thirsty, my friend :wesmantexanfan:

badboy 02-17-2012 11:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Dutchrudder (Post 1901344)
If we don't sign Mario, Curry should be considered.
If we don't sign Myers, Konz shouldn't be passed up.
If Decastro is there, I say we take him if Myers is re-signed, regardless of what else happens.
If Michael Floyd is there, I say we take him, but only if Konz and Decastro are gone.

Lots of contingencies to consider, but we will have a much better idea by the end of March.

As I think a good OG can be taken in 2nd, I'd take Wright or Floyd (if Texan would sign him due to off field issues).

Dutchrudder 02-17-2012 01:32 PM

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Originally Posted by mussop (Post 1901360)
I don't understand the line of thinking that we should draft a DE in the first round if we loose Mario. Why?

Vinny Curry would be an OLB in our system, and I said he should be considered, not taken. It depends on how other things shake out in free agency. If we keep Myers, Brisiel and Foster, WR and OLB would be our top two positions of need. However, I expect Blackmon, Floyd and Wright to be off the board by 26, so I would rather spend that pick on a good OLB. That's all, it's just a bunch of IF statements :)

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I love Decastro, there aren't a lot of players I would take in front of him. If we loose Meyers we better draft Konz. I'm not sold Smithiak thinks like all the fans and the media about our WR situation. I really hope the early portion of our draft goes to adding talent to our trenches be it OL or DL.
As I said, each of those picks is dependent on free agency. If Myers leaves, we must take Konz to keep the o-line in tact. I belive Konz can easily come into our system and start week 1. Same with Decastro. If we lost both Myers and Brisiel, I would have a hard time picking between the two of those guys, but I think Decastro will be gone before Konz. Either way, I hope the Texans aren't forced to pick one of those two due to losses.

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Foster is incredible, we need to give him the best blocking possible while he is still young and at the top of his game. RB's don't last that long. With the way our defense flies around the ball we need major depth and talent in our front seven. As long as we see to it that those two things are taken care of we will be in good shape.
I agree with that, but consider all the conditions here. If we keep Myers, Brisiel, Foster (I think that's reasonable) and lose Mario, wouldn't OLB be one of our top needs? We don't have much behind Barwin and Reed, and we need depth there. I think it would come down to OLB and WR, but given the free agency class, I would expect the Texans to pick up a WR more so than an OLB. There is a lot of talent at WR free agency and I would prefer filling that need through free agency. Good WRs are easier to find in this second round than OLBs too, so if that's the case, I would prefer going with Curry at 26 and seeing who falls to 58. Rueben Randel, Dwight Jones, Alshon Jeffery, Tommy Streeter, Sanu, etc etc, any of them could be there.

Dutchrudder 02-17-2012 01:33 PM

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Originally Posted by badboy (Post 1901667)
As I think a good OG can be taken in 2nd, I'd take Wright or Floyd (if Texan would sign him due to off field issues).

If Zeitler is who you're thinking of, I don't think he makes it to our 2nd round pick. I don't believe Wright or Floyd will be there at 26 either, but if they are I will be happy taking them.

badboy 02-17-2012 02:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Dutchrudder (Post 1901737)
If Zeitler is who you're thinking of, I don't think he makes it to our 2nd round pick. I don't believe Wright or Floyd will be there at 26 either, but if they are I will be happy taking them.

My opinion has fluctuated on those exact players also. I'm rooting that Cleveland trades up to #2 for RG3 and theryby gives up the other first and somehow Alshon & Floyd are taken before Wright giving us a chance. It sort of pains me to have been right about Wright being so well thought of.
Washington and Lonnie Edwards also interest me as OGs.

Insideop 02-17-2012 05:37 PM

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As I said, each of those picks is dependent on free agency. If Myers leaves, we must take Konz to keep the o-line in tact. I belive Konz can easily come into our system and start week 1. Same with Decastro. If we lost both Myers and Brisiel, I would have a hard time picking between the two of those guys, but I think Decastro will be gone before Konz. Either way, I hope the Texans aren't forced to pick one of those two due to losses.

I can't imagine Myers or Brisiel leaving. Myers will be 31 and Brisiel will be 29 this year. They are suited to the Zone Blocking scheme. How many other teams run this exclusively like the Texans? Maybe Washington and Seattle. Both of those teams are trying to rebuild. Unless one of those teams, or any other team, throw a boatload of :money: at them, I don't see either one leaving. I think both want to stay and know they have a good thing going here and would be willing to take a little less $$$ to stay. Just hope they can work it all out with Mario, Foster, and the rest of the FA's.

Doppelganger 02-17-2012 05:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Insideop (Post 1901893)
I can't imagine Myers or Brisiel leaving. Myers will be 31 and Brisiel will be 29 this year. They are suited to the Zone Blocking scheme. How many other teams run this exclusively like the Texans? Maybe Washington and Seattle. Both of those teams are trying to rebuild. Unless one of those teams, or any other team, throw a boatload of :money: at them, I don't see either one leaving. I think both want to stay and know they have a good thing going here and would be willing to take a little less $$$ to stay. Just hope they can work it all out with Mario, Foster, and the rest of the FA's.

I think Briesel is much more likely to leave than Myers. He could play in a power or zone scheme. Myers is 293 lbs soaking wet. He is too light in anything but a ZBS.


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