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Dutchrudder 01-11-2012 06:07 PM
2012 Draft Compensatory Pick Projections
 
(I think this is where this belongs, but move it if need be)

Nice rundown of this guy's predictions for comp picks. Even explains why some teams don't get any. Not official, but an interesting read. Of course, there are no Houston picks projected... :) Oakland may wind up with 3 draft picks after all too, so they will have a reason to show up in NY in April.

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Compensatory Picks Awarded (round - team - player lost)

3 - Oakland - Nnamdi Asomugha

3 - Minnesota - Sidney Rice

3 - Oakland - Zach Miller (possibly a 4)

4 - Green Bay - Cullen Jenkins

4 - Minnesota - Ray Edwards (possibly no pick, see below)

4 - Indianapolis - Clint Session (possibly a 6 for Johnson, see below)

4 - Baltimore - Dawan Landry

4 - Green Bay - Daryn Colledge

4 - Dallas - Stephen Bowen

4 - Oakland - Robert Gallery (possibly a 5 or no pick, see below)

6 - New York Giants - Kevin Boss (possibly a 5)

6 - New York Jets - Shaun Ellis (possibly a 5)

6 - Indianapolis - Charlie Johnson (possibly a 4 for Session, see below)

6 - Cleveland - Eric Wright

6 - New York Jets - Brad Smith

6 - Cleveland - Matt Roth

6 - Atlanta - Michael Koenen (possibly no pick, see below)

7 - New York Jets - Drew Coleman

7 - Carolina - Jeff King (possibly a 6, it's complicated)

7 - Pittsburgh - Matt Spaeth

7 - New York Giants - Steve Smith (possibly no pick, see below)

7 - Green Bay - Brandon Jackson

7 - Indianapolis - Bob Sanders

7 - Cleveland - Lawrence Vickers

7 - Green Bay - Jason Spitz

7 - Pittsburgh - Nick Eason

7 - New York Jets - Braylon Edwards

7 - Cleveland - Jason Trusnik

And the additional picks:

7 - St. Louis

7 - Indianapolis

7 - Minnesota

7 - Tampa Bay

7 - Cleveland (if a pick is lost above)
http://www.mockingthedraft.com/2012/...ck-predictions

Brandon420tx 01-11-2012 11:24 PM
Re: 2012 Draft Compensatory Pick Projections
 
I'd be suprised if Cinci doesn't get a pick for JJo

Lucky 01-11-2012 11:32 PM
Re: 2012 Draft Compensatory Pick Projections
 
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Originally Posted by Brandon420tx (Post 1877656)
I'd be suprised if Cinci doesn't get a pick for JJo
From the link above:
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I know the Cincinnati fans wanted their 3rd for Joseph. But he was the only qualifying free agent you lost. Plenty were signed in return, including Lawson, Howard, Gronkowski, and Scaife.

76Texan 01-13-2012 09:52 AM
Re: 2012 Draft Compensatory Pick Projections
 
Many of our players were signed by other teams.
Anybody keeping track to see if they are still on the roster and qualifying?

Pollard, Diles, Bentley, Okoye, Mark Anderson, David Anderson, Adibi, Okam, Molden.

Dutchrudder 01-13-2012 10:36 AM
Re: 2012 Draft Compensatory Pick Projections
 
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Originally Posted by 76Texan (Post 1878787)
Many of our players were signed by other teams.
Anybody keeping track to see if they are still on the roster and qualifying?

Pollard, Diles, Bentley, Okoye, Mark Anderson, David Anderson, Adibi, Okam, Molden.
Pollard and Leach definitely qualify, but are nullified by Manning and JJo.

Mark Anderson may have been signed to a decent deal, and I know he's still playing for the Pats. But the Texans also signed Vickers, so that should cancel out.

It's doubtful that we get any comp picks.

76Texan 01-13-2012 10:51 AM
Re: 2012 Draft Compensatory Pick Projections
 
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Originally Posted by Dutchrudder (Post 1878828)
Pollard and Leach definitely qualify, but are nullified by Manning and JJo.

Mark Anderson may have been signed to a decent deal, and I know he's still playing for the Pats. But the Texans also signed Vickers, so that should cancel out.

It's doubtful that we get any comp picks.
Okoye played pretty decent for the Bears. What kind of deal did he get?

Forget about Okam; he was old news.

The Pats claimed Molden; he's a vet.
Does he qualify?

Dutchrudder 01-13-2012 11:08 AM
Re: 2012 Draft Compensatory Pick Projections
 
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Originally Posted by 76Texan (Post 1878841)
Okoye played pretty decent for the Bears. What kind of deal did he get?

Forget about Okam; he was old news.

The Pats claimed Molden; he's a vet.
Does he qualify?
Okoye was released with 1 year left on his contract, but no money guaranteed. So he couldn't qualify.

Okam was waived, not a free agent.

Molden was waived, not a free agent.

badboy 01-13-2012 11:38 AM
Re: 2012 Draft Compensatory Pick Projections
 
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Originally Posted by Dutchrudder (Post 1878828)
Pollard and Leach definitely qualify, but are nullified by Manning and JJo.

Mark Anderson may have been signed to a decent deal, and I know he's still playing for the Pats. But the Texans also signed Vickers, so that should cancel out.

It's doubtful that we get any comp picks.
I think many fans forget that comp picks are based on what value of player we lost versus what value of player we signed. Good post DR.

ArlingtonTexan 01-14-2012 12:58 PM
Re: 2012 Draft Compensatory Pick Projections
 
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Originally Posted by badboy (Post 1878871)
I think many fans forget that comp picks are based on what value of player we lost versus what value of player we signed. Good post DR.
And it starts with the even simplier concept of did the Texans sign more players (any quality) than ex-Texans players signed by other teams.

TexanSam 01-14-2012 01:09 PM
Re: 2012 Draft Compensatory Pick Projections
 
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Originally Posted by badboy (Post 1878871)
I think many fans forget that comp picks are based on what value of player we lost versus what value of player we signed. Good post DR.
Did we get a pick when Dunta Robinson signed with the Falcons?

steelbtexan 01-14-2012 01:19 PM
Re: 2012 Draft Compensatory Pick Projections
 
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Originally Posted by TexanSam (Post 1879733)
Did we get a pick when Dunta Robinson signed with the Falcons?
Yes, the last pick in the draft.

Ozu... wharever his name was, from Rice.

Alot of people wanted the Texans to draft Herzlich.

Dutchrudder 01-14-2012 01:46 PM
Re: 2012 Draft Compensatory Pick Projections
 
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Originally Posted by TexanSam (Post 1879733)
Did we get a pick when Dunta Robinson signed with the Falcons?
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Originally Posted by steelbtexan (Post 1879742)
Yes, the last pick in the draft.

Ozu... wharever his name was, from Rice.

Alot of people wanted the Texans to draft Herzlich.
no no no no...

John McClain initially reported that we got a 7th round comp pick for losing Dunta, but he was, as usual, incorrect. We did not receive anything for Dunta because we signed Wade Smith and Neil Rackers. Both qualifying FA's, while losing only 1, so there cannot be any comp picks awarded in that case. It doesn't matter if you lost a 3rd round pick graded player, if you signed more qualifying FA's (even if they are all 7th's) you simply get nothing.

If we had signed just Wade Smith, we may have been in line to garner a net comp pick worth a 5-7th because the incoming player was a lesser tier FA than the outgoing one. But that didn't happen.

There are always 32 comp picks awarded each year, no more, no less. If there aren't enough qualifying comp picks for FA losses, then the extras are added at the end of the 7th round, after awarded 7th comp picks, and it goes in order of the first round. Since we picked 11th in the draft, and only 21 comp picks were awarded, we got one of the left over picks that come at the very end of the draft. We picked Mr. Irrelevant Cheta Ozowuago with it, who is no longer with the team.

tl;dr We did not get anything for Dunta.

beerlover 01-14-2012 04:38 PM
Re: 2012 Draft Compensatory Pick Projections
 
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Originally Posted by Dutchrudder (Post 1879763)
no no no no...

John McClain initially reported that we got a 7th round comp pick for losing Dunta, but he was, as usual, incorrect. We did not receive anything for Dunta because we signed Wade Smith and Neil Rackers. Both qualifying FA's, while losing only 1, so there cannot be any comp picks awarded in that case. It doesn't matter if you lost a 3rd round pick graded player, if you signed more qualifying FA's (even if they are all 7th's) you simply get nothing.

If we had signed just Wade Smith, we may have been in line to garner a net comp pick worth a 5-7th because the incoming player was a lesser tier FA than the outgoing one. But that didn't happen.

There are always 32 comp picks awarded each year, no more, no less. If there aren't enough qualifying comp picks for FA losses, then the extras are added at the end of the 7th round, after awarded 7th comp picks, and it goes in order of the first round. Since we picked 11th in the draft, and only 21 comp picks were awarded, we got one of the left over picks that come at the very end of the draft. We picked Mr. Irrelevant Cheta Ozowuago with it, who is no longer with the team.

tl;dr We did not get anything for Dunta.
last picks end of each late round are always compensatory picks, therefore Cheta was all Texans got for Dunta as compensation.

Dutchrudder 01-14-2012 05:09 PM
Re: 2012 Draft Compensatory Pick Projections
 
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Originally Posted by beerlover (Post 1879925)
last picks end of each late round are always compensatory picks, therefore Cheta was all Texans got for Dunta as compensation.
That's not correct. Yes it is a compensatory pick, no it is not because Dunta left. If we had not signed nor lost any FAs last year we would have still gotten that pick. Here, maybe this article can explain it better than I did:

In regard to the 2011 comp picks:
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Twenty one compensatory picks were awarded to clubs based upon the compensatory pick formula. By rule, 11 additional choices were awarded at the end of the seventh round to bring the total number of compensatory selections to 32, equaling the number of NFL clubs. The 11 additional picks were awarded to Carolina, Buffalo, Cincinnati, Denver, Cleveland, Arizona, San Francisco, Tennessee, Dallas, Washington and Houston based upon the 2011 draft selection order.
http://www.nfl.com/draft/story/09000...ks-to-23-clubs

beerlover 01-14-2012 05:17 PM
Re: 2012 Draft Compensatory Pick Projections
 
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Originally Posted by Dutchrudder (Post 1879972)
That's not correct. Yes it is a compensatory pick, no it is not because Dunta left. If we had not signed nor lost any FAs last year we would have still gotten that pick. Here, maybe this article can explain it better than I did:

In regard to the 2011 comp picks:


http://www.nfl.com/draft/story/09000...ks-to-23-clubs
Stand corrected. Thanks for clarification.


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