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beerlover 12-12-2011 10:50 AM

Week 14 Texan Mock
 
First Round: Josh Chapman, Alabama, NT/NG 6007 316

Dominant, seasoned, another Sabin influenced defensive prospect who adds more talent to front line already playing @ a high level. This is what Championship teams do, they retool & get stronger in the trenches. Have him graded as early second but by time the draft rolls around his stock could rise as 3-4 teams look to enforce middle with smaller, high motor, smart, well coached athletes.

Second Round: Jeff Fuller, Texas A&M, WR 6035 225

Texan WR's play well together, even without big target, stud #1 WR Andre Johnson yet still need another star added to arsenal. Down year for entire Aggie program including firing on former Texan assistant head coach Mike Sherman. Has the same size as Dwight Jones who I had projected in the first round for Texans last week, played through assorted injurys still averaged almost 60 yards per game with 11.3 avg. per catch & 5 TD's. Expected bigger things from Jeff after last season, when he collected 72 receptions, 82 yards per game, 14.81 yards per catch & 12 TD's. Over course of four years @ Texas A&M Fuller caught almost 3,000 yards (2973) 226 receptions & 33 TD's.

Third Round: Phillip Blake, Baylor, Center/OG 6024 320

Blame RG3 if you want but chances are Phillip Blakes stock is also soaring, unlike RG3 it's a given Blake will enter the 2012 NFL draft because he is a senior. Realistic draft grade if Texans want to cover/fill two positions in one. Blake has excellent mobility, plays light on his feet for size & is an excellent athlete who fits ZBS adding both depth & future starting material for Texans.

Fourth Round: Jerry Franklin, Arkansas, ILB 6100 245

Had to also move Jerry higher based on his productivity & need for depth @ ILB. He led a very good defensive Arkansas unit in tackles with with 93. Has the height weight ratio to fill inside running lanes, sure tackler, high motor/effort who plays with passion. Also had 10 TFL for loss, 4 passes broken up, 5 QB hurries & one fumble recovery for a 94 yard TD.

Fifth Round: David Paulson, Oregon, TE 6040 244

Owen & Dresseen proved yesterday how important the TE position is for the Texans. I think the league is catching on & TE position is becoming more of a commodity, not just another blocker @ scrimmage. Paulson is a sure handed option in passing game, excellent down field blocker & give Texans the best TE receiving corps in the NFL.

Sixth Round: Robert Golden, Arizona, CB/SS 5110 200

Glover Quin doesn't get near enough credit (had to go back & check his vertical 38") the move to SS was overdue & it's obvious his natural NFL position. Robert Golden is very similar in a lot of ways. I will be following his workout among many others to see how he eventually grades out but for now he makes looks like an excellent back-up to Glover & special teams player moving forward. Third on club with 60 tackles in 2010, 69 tackles in 2011 starting CB but has experience playing SS as well.

Seventh Round: G.J. Kinne, Tulsa, QB 6020 230

Using last pick (Mason compensatory null/void) on another QB. Giving credit for this selection to rmartin65. From Mesquite Texas, he had a passer rating of 147.53 passing for 2859 yards, on 228 completions out of 355 attempts. 25 TD's & 12 INT's. Three years of starting experience also threw for 3650 yards 31 TD's & 10 INT's in 2010. 2009 2732 yards, 22 TD's 10 INT's. Like Case Keenum here as well but Kinne seems to have the stronger arm of the two & better size moving foward.

Hope y'all like it :logo:

thunderkyss 12-12-2011 11:00 AM

Re: Week 14 Texan Mock
 
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Originally Posted by beerlover (Post 1853466)
First Round: Josh Chapman, Alabama, NT/NG 6007 316

Dominant, seasoned, another Sabin influenced defensive prospect who adds more talent to front line already playing @ a high level. This is what Championship teams do, they retool & get stronger in the trenches. Have him graded as early second but by time the draft rolls around his stock could rise as 3-4 teams look to enforce middle with smaller, high motor, smart, well coached athletes.

Second Round: Jeff Fuller, Texas A&M, WR 6035 225

Texan WR's play well together, even without big target, stud #1 WR Andre Johnson yet still need another star added to arsenal. Down year for entire Aggie program including firing on former Texan assistant head coach Mike Sherman. Has the same size as Dwight Jones who I had projected in the first round for Texans last week, played through assorted injurys still averaged almost 60 yards per game with 11.3 avg. per catch & 5 TD's. Expected bigger things from Jeff after last season, when he collected 72 receptions, 82 yards per game, 14.81 yards per catch & 12 TD's. Over course of four years @ Texas A&M Fuller caught almost 3,000 yards (2973) 226 receptions & 33 TD's.

If there is any place the Texans can use a new starter, those would be the ones I'd pick.

I love Jj & I love KDub, but Julio Jones on this team (or AJ Green for that matter) would have been sick.

Our run defense saved face overall, but when I saw Cedric Benson break that big run.... I was like.....


Damn.

Rey 12-12-2011 11:06 AM

Re: Week 14 Texan Mock
 
As is stands right now I really like this Mock.

I love Chapman...I had mocked him in the 2nd round before, but you are probably right that he is gone by then.

I really want a bigger, athletic corner on the team though. I have mocked trading up for Kirkpatrick but that is unlikely. Gonna start looking for guys in the 3rd round that fit the bill...

bah007 12-12-2011 01:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Rey (Post 1853489)
As is stands right now I really like this Mock.

I love Chapman...I had mocked him in the 2nd round before, but you are probably right that he is gone by then.

I really want a bigger, athletic corner on the team though. I have mocked trading up for Kirkpatrick but that is unlikely. Gonna start looking for guys in the 3rd round that fit the bill...

Once you get through the elite guys it's hard to find a guy with size that stands out. Donnie Fletcher from Boston College goes 6'1" and he can be had in the third round. Other than him, you're looking at a a large group of guys that goes 5'10" and 5'11".

I don't really put a lot of importance on size for a corner, as long as they have the necessary skills. Revis is only 5'11" 198 and he's probably the most physical guy around.

A guy with size would be nice, but I see it more as a luxury than a necessity. Even in the NFL, there are not a whole lot of guys with Kirkpatrick's size and skill set.

Wolf6151 12-12-2011 01:18 PM

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The one downside of having such a good football team is that for every win in the playoffs we drop lower and lower in the draft. It's a problem that hopefully we'll have for a long time to come and essentially means that we have to draft players a round early if we want them. I really like your 1st, 2nd, and 4th round picks. I think that's way to early for Blake, and we've already discussed Paulson a couple times. I like the Golden pick as SS depth, an upgrade behind Quin is definetly needed, but not as a CB. I don't know anything about Kinne.

thunderkyss 12-12-2011 03:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Wolf6151 (Post 1853642)
The one downside of having such a good football team is that for every win in the playoffs we drop lower and lower in the draft.

You'll also be in less need of instant starters if you're a perennial play-off team. So it kind of works out.

Rey 12-12-2011 06:17 PM

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Originally Posted by bah007 (Post 1853631)
Once you get through the elite guys it's hard to find a guy with size that stands out. Donnie Fletcher from Boston College goes 6'1" and he can be had in the third round. Other than him, you're looking at a a large group of guys that goes 5'10" and 5'11".

I don't really put a lot of importance on size for a corner, as long as they have the necessary skills. Revis is only 5'11" 198 and he's probably the most physical guy around.

A guy with size would be nice, but I see it more as a luxury than a necessity. Even in the NFL, there are not a whole lot of guys with Kirkpatrick's size and skill set.

I agree with what you are saying. That said, I've seen our corners get spaghetti eaten off the top of their heads a lot this year.

I'm not a size guy really. I'm a skill guy.

Geez that sounds sexual......

beerlover 12-13-2011 12:32 PM

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Would you guys like to see Chapman playing nose tackle for the Houston Texans? He commands double teams, stuffs interior running lanes & free's up LB's Highsmith & Upshaw, instead it would be DeMeco & Cushing.

http://nflsfuture.com/wp-content/upl...sh-chapman.jpg

Fuller has the size a lot of us are looking for, question is how healthy & why regression his senior year for Texas A&M?
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I posted this mock before news of Mike Brisel playing on a broken leg this past weekend (he is the ultimate warrior) any questions about former 3rd rd. pick (#77) out of Alabama Antoine Caldwell are about to be answered. Both interior linemen have been plauqed with injurys difference is Brisel has been able to play through them, until now. Both Caldwell & Blake offer Center/OG versatility value & both have played @ a high level in College. Antoine Caldwell came out 6033 307 had a 4th/5th rd. grade (ourlads) ran 5.27 forty, benched 220 23 times & had long arms 34". Texans drafted him as their future starting Center but Myers has developed into more than a stop gap Center, in fact some say he may even be Pro-Bowl material. So Caldwell slides over to RG with Brisel out. I see Baylor Center/OG equal if not better down the road, only time will tell & what team thinks enough to grab him earlier than projected.
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digitalswim 12-13-2011 02:42 PM

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I didn't realize that Brisel's injury was a reoccurring Lisfranc problem that he has had three surgeries on. That scares the hell out of me even though the guy is obviously tough as nails to play through the pain. That might change the way I view the draft regarding OLinemen.

Another thing that is premature (but hey we are talking next year here) is that Wade might bail and another DC might have a different set of priorities come draft time.

Corrosion 12-13-2011 04:04 PM

Re: Week 14 Texan Mock
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by thunderkyss (Post 1853481)
If there is any place the Texans can use a new starter, those would be the ones I'd pick.

I love Jj & I love KDub, but Julio Jones on this team (or AJ Green for that matter) would have been sick.

Our run defense saved face overall, but when I saw Cedric Benson break that big run.... I was like.....


Damn.

Cushing whiffed on that tackle .... :smiliepalm:

beerlover 12-17-2011 11:03 AM

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Fourth Round: David Paulson, Oregon, TE 6040 244

Owen & Dresseen proved yesterday how important the TE position is for the Texans. I think the league is catching on & TE position is becoming more of a commodity, not just another blocker @ scrimmage. Paulson is a sure handed option in passing game, excellent down field blocker & give Texans the best TE receiving corps in the NFL.

Fifth Round: Jerry Franklin, Arkansas, ILB 6100 245

Had to also move Jerry higher based on his productivity & need for depth @ ILB. He led a very good defensive Arkansas unit in tackles with with 93. Has the height weight ratio to fill inside running lanes, sure tackler, high motor/effort who plays with passion. Also had 10 TFL for loss, 4 passes broken up, 5 QB hurries & one fumble recovery for a 94 yard TD.
Day before the next big game (Carolina) & Texans continue to get thinner in key positions. I could flip both players @ this stage, either one would be too good of value to pass on w/late 5th. Since Paulson is a personal favorite & natural fit in Texan offense with Dreessen playing hurt/free agent I'm going to flip these guys/picks. TE is actually THE key position in Texan play action offense that makes it go even when everything else is struggling or breaking down.

beerlover 12-26-2011 11:09 AM

Re: Week 14 Texan Mock - UPDATED WEEK 17
 
First Round: Dontari Poe, Memphis, NT 6040 335


http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-isVuBlsRx_...play_image.jpg
Now that it's official, Poe is entering the 2011 NFL Draft, projected late first round, Texans select #26th as it stands, this is about right & where talent/potential meets need bolstering the Texan interior DL. Poe will be one of those ascending players because people, media, scouting community don't really know a lot about him but will be impressed enough @ the combine, along with for his pro-day workouts get multiple offers to visit teams for private workouts (Texans will be one of those teams). That workout will be key & influential in the draft if Wade believes he's found himself a franchise NT for his 3-4 scheme.

Second Round: Jeff Fuller, Texas A&M, WR 6035 225
http://cdn.bleacherreport.net/images...jpg?1300933735
Texan WR's play well together, even without big target, stud #1 WR Andre Johnson yet still need another star added to arsenal. Down year for entire Aggie program including firing on former Texan assistant head coach Mike Sherman. Has the same size as Dwight Jones who I had projected in the first round for Texans last week, played through assorted injurys still averaged almost 60 yards per game with 11.3 avg. per catch & 5 TD's. Expected bigger things from Jeff after last season, when he collected 72 receptions, 82 yards per game, 14.81 yards per catch & 12 TD's. Over course of four years @ Texas A&M Fuller caught almost 3,000 yards (2973) 226 receptions & 33 TD's.

Third Round: Phillip Blake, Baylor, Center/OG 6024 320
http://media.pennlive.com/patriotnew...718344af0e.jpg
Blame RG3 if you want but chances are Phillip Blakes stock is also soaring, unlike RG3 it's a given Blake will enter the 2012 NFL draft because he is a senior. Realistic draft grade if Texans want to cover/fill two positions in one. Blake has excellent mobility, plays light on his feet for size & is an excellent athlete who fits ZBS adding both depth & future starting material for Texans.

Fourth Round: David Paulson, Oregon, TE 6040 244
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The TE is central to Kubiaks offense leaning heavily on Owen Daniels for production while Dresseen feeds underneath & in open seams often neglected by opposing defenses. But that is in the past as teams focus on shutting down the TE position with nickle & safety help instead of LB's. The league is also catching on to the value of a TE position becoming more of a weapon with favorable match-ups, not just another blocker on line of scrimmage. Paulson is a sound blocker, fits play action offense, has ability to run after the catch, excellent down field blocker already with big play mentality.

Fifth Round: Jerry Franklin, Arkansas, ILB 6100 245
http://www2.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/J...fHdWN_TM8l.jpg
Very Porductive, high energy player who reminds me a lot of Sharpton. He led a very good defensive Arkansas unit in tackles with with 93. Has the height weight ratio to fill inside running lanes, sure tackler, high motor/effort who plays with passion. Also had 10 TFL for loss, 4 passes broken up, 5 QB hurries & one fumble recovery for a 94 yard TD.

Sixth Round: Robert Golden, Arizona, CB/SS 5110 200

Glover Quin doesn't get near enough credit (had to go back & check his vertical 38") the move to SS was overdue & it's obvious his natural NFL position. Robert Golden is very similar in a lot of ways. I will be following his workout among many others to see how he eventually grades out but for now he makes looks like an excellent back-up to Glover & special teams player moving forward. Third on club with 60 tackles in 2010, 69 tackles in 2011 starting CB but has experience playing SS as well.

Seventh Round: G.J. Kinne, Tulsa, QB 6020 230
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Using last pick (Mason compensatory null/void) on another QB. Giving credit for this selection to rmartin65. From Mesquite Texas, he had a passer rating of 147.53 passing for 2859 yards, on 228 completions out of 355 attempts. 25 TD's & 12 INT's. Three years of starting experience also threw for 3650 yards 31 TD's & 10 INT's in 2010. 2009 2732 yards, 22 TD's 10 INT's. Like Case Keenum here as well but Kinne seems to have the stronger arm of the two & better size moving foward.
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badboy 12-26-2011 11:22 AM

Re: Week 14 Texan Mock - UPDATED WEEK 17
 
This is an excellent draft. I like all players and think Fuller could do well under Texans' coaching staff. I would go Keenum in 7th as I have watched him and no little about 65's guy.

Good work as always.

steelbtexan 12-26-2011 12:02 PM

Re: Week 14 Texan Mock - UPDATED WEEK 17
 
Like the mock

Fuller is way overrated.

beerlover 12-26-2011 12:15 PM

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Fuller is about 10th WR on my board. not sure if you think that is fairly valued or not? which is why I expect him to still be available late 2nd rd. Wright, Jones, McNutt, Sanu, Streeter, Adams & Broyles are all ahead of him. Some people may like Toon or Criner more? just remember this is end of second pick.

steelbtexan 12-26-2011 12:34 PM

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Originally Posted by beerlover (Post 1864608)
Fuller is about 10th WR on my board. not sure if you think that is fairly valued or not? which is why I expect him to still be available late 2nd rd. Wright, Jones, McNutt, Sanu, Streeter, Adams & Broyles are all ahead of him. Some people may like Toon or Criner more? just remember this is end of second pick.

I know Fuller has been injured this yr. But he didn't seem fast or very sudden out of his breaks. He also dropped quite a few drops this yr. In short Fuller played like a 5/7th rd pick this yr. This may have been due to injury. But I wouldn't be willing to risk a 2nd rd pick on him.

beerlover 12-26-2011 01:02 PM

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Originally Posted by steelbtexan (Post 1864614)
I know Fuller has been injured this yr. But he didn't seem fast or very sudden out of his breaks. He also dropped quite a few drops this yr. In short Fuller played like a 5/7th rd pick this yr. This may have been due to injury. But I wouldn't be willing to risk a 2nd rd pick on him.

fair enough. when we drop into the late 2nd early 3rd grouping they all seem reasonably similar. hopefully in the coming months we'll be able to separate them appropriately.

steelbtexan 12-26-2011 01:29 PM

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Originally Posted by beerlover (Post 1864630)
fair enough. when we drop into the late 2nd early 3rd grouping they all seem reasonably similar. hopefully in the coming months we'll be able to separate them appropriately.

If you want a fast WR, Hilton may be a guy to look at later in the draft. Some say that he reminds them of Antonio Brown. He's a poor mans Broyles. IMHO

McNutt= Fuller, without injuries. 3rd rd. IMHO

If you want to take a chance on a guy with unreal talent then Streeter would be the pick. (Young Plaxico) 6'5 runs 4.4, had a crappy QB. I personally would rather take a chance on a guy like Streeter in the 2nd than Fuller in the 2nd. High risk/reward, but I'm a risk taker. Especially if AJ says Steeter is worth it.

Wolf6151 12-26-2011 01:42 PM

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For now I have to agree with SteelB, the 2nd round seems a little early for Fuller. I'm thinking he goes in the 3rd round. The Combine will be very important for Fuller. With a good Combine he could move up to the 2nd round. He seems to have the talent but seems to lack some motivation to go along with the injuries. Also this is a very deep draft at WR with lots of guys who performed better than Fuller this year so he could get overshadowed in the draft.

Insideop 12-26-2011 06:41 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by beerlover (Post 1864608)
Fuller is about 10th WR on my board. not sure if you think that is fairly valued or not? which is why I expect him to still be available late 2nd rd. Wright, Jones, McNutt, Sanu, Streeter, Adams & Broyles are all ahead of him. Some people may like Toon or Criner more? just remember this is end of second pick.

Which is precisely the reason I think the Texans need to draft a WR in the 1st or trade back in to the later 1st or early 2nd round. I don't think they just need to find a replacement for Walter or Jacoby, I think they need to start grooming AJ's successor! Somebody like Jones or McNutt could be groomed for AJ's position while playing in Walter's or Jacoby's position now. Fuller would probably not even replace Jacoby on the depth chart. Walter and AJ will both be 31 next year with 10 years in the NFL. How long can they hold up? They may need to get 2 WR's in this draft!


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