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badboy 09-29-2011 10:53 PM

Brandon Harris where are you?
 
Most know I was a Harris fan and had him on my mock in second round. Loved Reed selection but was disappointed my guy was bypassed. Then my hope was resurrected with the trade back into 2nd round for him. I'm thinking, "Well Wade must see what I do. The kid can be an NFL cover corner." The guy starts his own rookie diary but posted last in early Sept and then nothing. See link
http://www.houstontexans.com/news/ar...5-eac950b89e08

Kubiak said we'd see a lot more of him against Saints but he did not get into game. In fact the only stat I can find was he played against Miami but it was not much. I remember an announcer saying his name in a positive manner but nothing else.

None seems to know anything & it is almost as if he got himself into a coach's doghouse, but I can't confirm anything & nothing about an injury.

Brandon Harris where are you?

coon 09-29-2011 11:34 PM

Re: Brandon Harris where are you?
 
The way KJ has played thus far i would love to see Brandon get some snaps. Other than Aaron Williams he was the corner I liked the most in the second, and I was very happy we made the move to get him. The only knock i remember having on him is his height and Kareem is more than a few inches short of making an impact. Anybody have any ideas why he isn't playing, or did I overvalue his ability?

badboy 09-30-2011 12:02 AM

Re: Brandon Harris where are you?
 
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Originally Posted by coon (Post 1788518)
The way KJ has played thus far i would love to see Brandon get some snaps. Other than Aaron Williams he was the corner I liked the most in the second, and I was very happy we made the move to get him. The only knock i remember having on him is his height and Kareem is more than a few inches short of making an impact. Anybody have any ideas why he isn't playing, or did I overvalue his ability?

I had Williams as a FS and Harris was listed at 5'11" in college but measured 5'9" at combine. That was disappointing.

Dutchrudder 09-30-2011 12:06 AM

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Originally Posted by badboy (Post 1788534)
I had Williams as a FS and Harris was listed at 5'11" in college but measured 5'9" at combine. That was disappointing.

Eh, if he measures 5'9, but plays like he's 5'11, then it's all good. Still, gotta see if he plays well or not. The Steelers game would be a good one to work him in as they seem like a weak passing threat.

Ndevine7 09-30-2011 12:08 AM

Re: Brandon Harris where are you?
 
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Originally Posted by Dutchrudder (Post 1788538)
Eh, if he measures 5'9, but plays like he's 5'11, then it's all good. Still, gotta see if he plays well or not. The Steelers game would be a good one to work him in as they seem like a weak passing threat.

They are definitely not a weak passing threat. You have a guy like Big Ben back there that can extend the play and have a playmaker in Mike Wallace that just seems to have a knack of getting past the coverage. Not to mention Hines Ward isnt no scrub.

Corrosion 09-30-2011 04:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Ndevine7 (Post 1788541)
They are definitely not a weak passing threat. You have a guy like Big Ben back there that can extend the play and have a playmaker in Mike Wallace that just seems to have a knack of getting past the coverage. Not to mention Hines Ward isnt no scrub.


Im already losing sleep ..... did you have to remind me ?! :choke:

welsh texan 09-30-2011 05:31 AM

Re: Brandon Harris where are you?
 
With the current state of the Steelers O-line Big Ben has been throwing quicker and shorter week by week. They simply don't have the protection to stretch the field right now.

That will be a problem for us if KJax is giving a 10 yard cushion all game, although hopefull it will play towards the strength of JJo's gambler mentality, hopefully he can step in front of a short route or two.

The thing is, given their relative abilities, why would any QB not treat JJo as if he was Asomougha out there and just target KJax on every play??

I really hope Harris is simply behind a little because of the shortened pre-season. Does anyone know how many rookies are starting around the league compared to previous years? That would be an interesting stat to look at, and Watt looks more and more like an anomaly the more I watch him, dude is playing like a vet and has done since first practice.

TimeKiller 09-30-2011 10:03 AM

Re: Brandon Harris where are you?
 
The strange part isn't his lack of playing time....well....the REALLY strange part is how nobody ever seems to mention him unless it's a "where are you now?" thread.

Maybe he doesn't have the physical stature to be an every down corner....but like they planned on using him, as a nickel, if he can cover he needs to be playing...like....LAST week. I'm about to be on the "anybody but KJ" wagon. There's lots of room, don't worry.

badboy 09-30-2011 02:27 PM

Re: Brandon Harris where are you?
 
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Originally Posted by welsh texan (Post 1788593)
With the current state of the Steelers O-line Big Ben has been throwing quicker and shorter week by week. They simply don't have the protection to stretch the field right now.

That will be a problem for us if KJax is giving a 10 yard cushion all game, although hopefull it will play towards the strength of JJo's gambler mentality, hopefully he can step in front of a short route or two.

The thing is, given their relative abilities, why would any QB not treat JJo as if he was Asomougha out there and just target KJax on every play??

I really hope Harris is simply behind a little because of the shortened pre-season. Does anyone know how many rookies are starting around the league compared to previous years? That would be an interesting stat to look at, and Watt looks more and more like an anomaly the more I watch him, dude is playing like a vet and has done since first practice.

How accurate is Ben R. when he is rushing the pass? For some reason I picture him as not that accurate which would be to our benefit.

badboy 09-30-2011 02:31 PM

Re: Brandon Harris where are you?
 
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Originally Posted by TimeKiller (Post 1788625)
The strange part isn't his lack of playing time....well....the REALLY strange part is how nobody ever seems to mention him unless it's a "where are you now?" thread.

Maybe he doesn't have the physical stature to be an every down corner....but like they planned on using him, as a nickel, if he can cover he needs to be playing...like....LAST week. I'm about to be on the "anybody but KJ" wagon. There's lots of room, don't worry.

Texans got several high marks for going back into second & drafting Harris so I'm puzzled.

Section516 09-30-2011 02:32 PM

Re: Brandon Harris where are you?
 
He has to play this weekend. Has to. Right?

:choke:

badboy 09-30-2011 02:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Section516 (Post 1788875)
He has to play this weekend. Has to. Right?

:choke:

Man I truly have no clue. If he does not, someone needs to explain. I cannot figure out why he is no longer posting in his Rookie Diary. Almost like he got sucker punched by a coach and went low key or silent mode.

Allstar 09-30-2011 05:12 PM

Re: Brandon Harris where are you?
 
If there's one thing you don't wanna do, it's putting a rookie CB on the field before he's ready.

Ndevine7 09-30-2011 05:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Allstar (Post 1789015)
If there's one thing you don't wanna do, it's putting a rookie CB on the field before he's ready.

I think we have already learned that the hard way

badboy 09-30-2011 09:44 PM

Re: Brandon Harris where are you?
 
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Originally Posted by Ndevine7 (Post 1789047)
I think we have already learned that the hard way

So placing the wrong player in the position means no rookie should start? I think it had more to do with KJ's skills than his being a rookie.
Sure it would be nice if he could have played behind a vet but his skills set still would have to be changed. Wade has spoken on this.

Ndevine7 09-30-2011 09:56 PM

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Originally Posted by badboy (Post 1789173)
So placing the wrong player in the position means no rookie should start? I think it had more to do with KJ's skills than his being a rookie.
Sure it would be nice if he could have played behind a vet but his skills set still would have to be changed. Wade has spoken on this.

I never said no rookie should start. Just said I do not like throwing a player out there that may not be ready yet. Cornerback position is one of the hardest transitions from college to nfl imo. Obviously we wish we had a vet that KJ could learn from but we didnt and he was thrown to the wolves. I just hope that he doesnt lose his confidence and can get better but who knows.

beerlover 09-30-2011 10:06 PM

Re: Brandon Harris where are you?
 
Has anybody really noticed Texan spacing in secondary? seem's to me Quin, the SS, is up quite a bit (short/middle) while Manning plays more deep zone. They just need time to trust each other back & know they have safety help over the top like New England did last season with McCourtey, then the corners can play more press coverage & aggressive, if they get beat, bang here comes safety help. Wade is playing them too conservative, Joseph needs to convince him his guys are ready to play more man. Like Kareem @ nickle I believe he can be a playmaker there & put Harris outside, let them work together & develop some chemistry. Pittsburgh would be an excellent opportunity to really press them & see who :choke:

badboy 09-30-2011 10:07 PM

Re: Brandon Harris where are you?
 
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Originally Posted by Ndevine7 (Post 1789179)
I never said no rookie should start. Just said I do not like throwing a player out there that may not be ready yet. Cornerback position is one of the hardest transitions from college to nfl imo. Obviously we wish we had a vet that KJ could learn from but we didnt and he was thrown to the wolves. I just hope that he doesnt lose his confidence and can get better but who knows.

You replied to Allstar's:
If there's one thing you don't wanna do, it's putting a rookie CB on the field before he's ready.

Seems like exactly what you were saying.

I agree that he was thrown to the wolves but a different CB would have done much better. I apologise if I come across as attacking but I am really tired of folks defending KJ. Even if his skill sets were different than what we needed, he should be doing much better.

Ndevine7 09-30-2011 10:15 PM

Re: Brandon Harris where are you?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by badboy (Post 1789188)
You replied to Allstar's:
If there's one thing you don't wanna do, it's putting a rookie CB on the field before he's ready.

Seems like exactly what you were saying.

I agree that he was thrown to the wolves but a different CB would have done much better. I apologise if I come across as attacking but I am really tired of folks defending KJ. Even if his skill sets were different than what we needed, he should be doing much better.

I was saying that I do not think KJ was ready last year. Not to say that even if he had a vet to groom him into the position he would be any better but I felt that we learned from KJ that we should not rush our rookie CBs onto the field and that might be a reason that Brandon Harris has not played yet. I was not trying to defend KJ he has been a huge disappointment and obviously i hope he can become what we envisioned when we drafted him but honestly i have no idea, it could just be a huge waste of a 1st round pick

badboy 09-30-2011 10:18 PM

Re: Brandon Harris where are you?
 
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Originally Posted by Ndevine7 (Post 1789191)
I was saying that I do not think KJ was ready last year. Not to say that even if he had a vet to groom him into the position he would be any better but I felt that we learned from KJ that we should not rush our rookie CBs onto the field and that might be a reason that Brandon Harris has not played yet. I was not trying to defend KJ he has been a huge disappointment and obviously i hope he can become what we envisioned when we drafted him but honestly i have no idea, it could just be a huge waste of a 1st round pick

My mock draft partner Beerlover thinks KJ will be a very good nickle corner. That would be fantastic if one of our other young guys stepped up for CB 2. If we don't do better against STeelers, I will suggest we move Quin back.


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