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CaptainPatriot 04-18-2005 07:10 PM

Defense,Defense,Defense
 
Did I mention Defense? :hyper: Been reading some of the threads here. I notice some of you are talking about RB`s, O-Line and WR`s. If you like entertainment then by all means build up the Offense but if you want to WIN Super Bowls you have to build up the Defense. If you canít stop the run doesnít matter how great your O is. Just ask the Coltís vs. PATS Playoff game this yr. Peyton should have paid for a ticket in the 3rd Q. :popcorn: The PATS running game kept him on the bench. Texans need D-Line bad! Marcus Spears should be there when Texans pick. Thought Texans would have went for FA Ed Hartwell, LB Ravens or John Abraham DL of Jets too. Just a cpl. of FA`s off the top of my head.
You canít have enough LB`s. They are very versatile. IE:Special Teams. If Texans donít shore up their D. It is going to be a very long season no matter who they pick up on Offense. It would be a BIG mistake to pick a RB or Mike Williams in the 1st round. Next cpl of yrs 1st round picks should be on D-Line. :thumbup

DocBar 04-18-2005 07:15 PM

HAHA...I just started a thread along these same lines. I gotta agree with ya there, man. Good post :thumbup

CaptainPatriot 04-18-2005 07:49 PM

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Originally Posted by DocBar
HAHA...I just started a thread along these same lines. I gotta agree with ya there, man. Good post :thumbup


Thanks :thumbup

DocBar 04-18-2005 08:01 PM

We must be the only people on here that isn't up Chris Palmers *** trying to figure out what he's doing wrong. LOL

CaptainPatriot 04-19-2005 07:36 PM

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Originally Posted by DocBar
We must be the only people on here that isn't up Chris Palmers *** trying to figure out what he's doing wrong. LOL

I see :rofl:

keyfro 04-19-2005 08:16 PM

marcus spears is a solid prospect for us as well as rogers and any other defensive player...the draft is just days away...can't wait...enough of the speculations

Reddevil63 04-19-2005 10:05 PM

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Originally Posted by CaptainPatriot
Thought Texans would have went for FA Ed Hartwell, LB Ravens or John Abraham DL of Jets too. Just a cpl. of FA`s off the top of my head.

I thought the same thing too at the beggining of FA but now Im glad we didnt. I dont think we need another LB thats going to cost us as much as Hartwell would have and we already have plenty of money tied up in the D-line, they are just under-performing. If we can get the line we have to play like we know they can then we should be just fine. Good post though. Nice to see another team's fan post something intelligent and insightful once in a while. :thumbup

Daonly 04-19-2005 11:16 PM

Since jets need a corner in the worst way; trade the 13th pick for the 26th pick and Abraham, that'll give us our DL or OLB and then we'll use the 26th on Matt Jones or BPA. :thumbup

DocBar 04-19-2005 11:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Daonly
Since jets need a corner in the worst way; trade the 13th pick for the 26th pick and Abraham, that'll give us our DL or OLB and then we'll use the 26th on Matt Jones or BPA. :thumbup

Supposing the Jets were interested...why would we be interested? Abraham is like the 23 rated DE. Walker and Smith are at 26 and 28 respectively. Not exactly a no brainer. If we could trade Buchanon for a 1st or swap spots given up, it might be a doable trade, but as things stand, this is AWFUL. Age and contract should not be considered. I'll take what the Texans have as oppossed to this scenario.

Grid 04-20-2005 12:34 AM

Now that we have Buchanan.

Im looking at OLB in the 1st. And interior Oline and DL in the 3rd and 4th.

Possibly a trade with Philly for #31 & 35.. that would give us two nice picks to grab an OLB and DL right there.

CaptainPatriot 04-21-2005 10:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Grid
Now that we have Buchanan.

Im looking at OLB in the 1st. And interior Oline and DL in the 3rd and 4th.

Possibly a trade with Philly for #31 & 35.. that would give us two nice picks to grab an OLB and DL right there.

Texans need to get Marcus Spears with #13. He is made for 3-4. He can start right away. You can rotate him out with Walker. Walker and Payne are very injury prone. If not Spears use 13th pick Louis Castillo, DT, Northwestern 6'3" 305
this guy has very quick feet for a DT. I think you draft that low in this draft for a DL is going to be work in progress. Doesn`t matter who you have behind the D- Line. You give QB`s time to throw he will pick your D apart! It`s going to be a very long day. I do have to give props to Texans for trying to get OT Pace :thumbup

CaptainPatriot 04-21-2005 10:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Reddevil63
I thought the same thing too at the beggining of FA but now Im glad we didnt. I dont think we need another LB thats going to cost us as much as Hartwell would have and we already have plenty of money tied up in the D-line, they are just under-performing. If we can get the line we have to play like we know they can then we should be just fine. Good post though. Nice to see another team's fan post something intelligent and insightful once in a while. :thumbup

You have a good point on Hartwell. DT Pat Williams would have been a good FA to pick up too. I don`t think they are under performing its the constant injuries the last 2 yrs. Is it time to cut Payne and Walker bring in some younger FA DL`s?:hmmm: Just a thought

TheOgre 04-21-2005 10:41 AM

I would rather we are #10 in offense and #10 in defense than to be #1 in one and #19 in the other.

A poor defense puts pressure on the offense to take chances and make mistakes. A poor offense forces the defense to be on the field too much and gives the opposition's offense too many opportunities.

If we start Wong at LILB and start Peek at ROLB, what do we really need on defense immediately? I want to see what Peek can do. If he goes belly up, then we can draft an OLB next season.

I realize we have spent more 1st day picks on offense, but we also had more of a foundation for our defense (Glenn, Walker, Payne, Coleman, and formerly Sharper) due to the expansion draft. We have now added speed defensively with Buchanon and Greenwood (and even Peek if he starts). We have yet to make an addition on offense. I guess you could count Joppru as a addition, since we have yet to see him.

infantrycak 04-21-2005 11:17 AM

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Originally Posted by TheOgre
I realize we have spent more 1st day picks on offense...

I know you said 1st day picks, but just to point something out that folks may not have noticed.

The Texans now have two 1st round picks on offense:
David Carr
Andre Johnson

They have 4 1st round picks on defense:
Dunta Robinson
Jason Babin
Phillip Buchanon
Aaron Glenn

Nothing wrong IMO with grabbing a 1st rounder for the offense this year, whether it be a RB/WR or OL.

CaptainPatriot 04-21-2005 11:26 AM

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Originally Posted by TheOgre
I would rather we are #10 in offense and #10 in defense than to be #1 in one and #19 in the other.

A poor defense puts pressure on the offense to take chances and make mistakes. A poor offense forces the defense to be on the field too much and gives the opposition's offense too many opportunities.

If we start Wong at LILB and start Peek at ROLB, what do we really need on defense immediately? I want to see what Peek can do. If he goes belly up, then we can draft an OLB next season.

I realize we have spent more 1st day picks on offense, but we also had more of a foundation for our defense (Glenn, Walker, Payne, Coleman, and formerly Sharper) due to the expansion draft. We have now added speed defensively with Buchanon and Greenwood (and even Peek if he starts). We have yet to make an addition on offense. I guess you could count Joppru as a addition, since we have yet to see him.


I agree with being ranked 10 on O and 10 on D. But with salary cap and all that would be hard to do. Also if you have a D that makes TO`s They won`t be on the field much. Now on the other hand if you have a bad O that turns the ball over alot then the D will get tired. Other than O-Line the O is set for the Texans. The O`s problem is MENTAL MISTAKES! Look at history it is always the team with the better D ranking than the better O ranking. EX: Ravens SB yr. Their O was in the lower part of the ranking. PATS 1st 2 SB`s their running game was ranked in the 30`s. They won with their D.To become a dynasty you start with D. If Payne and Walker stay healthy then it will be great! Their bodies have alot of wear and tear on them. It scares me for the Texans this yr on the D-Line

El Tejano 04-21-2005 11:34 AM

I just like the way NE has been able to do more with less.

Algebrat 04-21-2005 11:34 AM

I have to agree w/ the Capt., and go with D. If Walker or Payne goes down (again), I'm not completely confident in Ione (sp) or whoever else we have sitting. At 13 there is a good chance that either Spears, Ware, or Merriman drops to us. Any of them provide strong depth and potential for an eventual starter. If more than one is there, close your eyes and point... :thumbup

El Tejano 04-21-2005 11:38 AM

Ioane has gotten some considerable playing time in the past and has made some plays for us (the Chiefs game, stopping Priest Holmes at the 1 which led to Marcus Coleman's INT). He, to me is the best one we have after the starting 3 but does anyone feel there are good 3-4 DL in the later rounds?

HomeBred_Texan 04-21-2005 12:01 PM

Offense, Offense, Offense. We drafted D players last year. They will shine this year. We need O Line men, running back, or a wide out to compliment Johnson.

66cobra 04-21-2005 12:02 PM

Mike Patterson (USC) is good but he is probably gone by #73, but Sione Pouha (Utah) could be had in 4th-6th round along with Ronald Fields (Miss. St), Atiyyah Ellison (Missouri), Arrion Dixon (Arkansas) and Albert Means (Memphis). They are all DTs.


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