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badboy 08-12-2010 03:30 PM

BADBOY's 2011 pre-season mock
 
I am predicting Texans are 11-5 and picking at #25.

QB: what is there for us to look at that is more than a project? Locker, Luck, Ponder and Devlin will probably all be gone by our 2nd. For now, I think Mallett does not come out. As stated before I will be watching Enderle but he is coming off a shoulder injury and has an avg arm anyway. I'm becoming more concerned with Orlovsky daily.

Center: see the need but just can not see Kubes giving up on Myers without a super stud rookie center ready to step in. I think Pouncey is gone by our 1st and O'Dowd is my leading candidate if he plays healthy and well this season and he should be there in first. Wisnewski interests me but the knee is ? for me. Anything else is a reach imo. So.. O'Dowd in first?

FS: I just see nothing that assures me Barber or Nolan will be our future. Wilson is steady, when he is on the field. I want a draft pick that will start no later than 2011. If this guy is there in 1st, I think I'd be all over him.
Deunta Williams, FS, North Carolina
Height: 6-2. Weight: 205.
Projected 40 Time: 4.45.
Projected Round (2011): Top 25 Pick.
5/14/10: Deunta Williams was an All-ACC First Team member, thanks to 47 tackles, eight pass break-ups and six interceptions.

Having said that, if I could get Pouncey or O'Dowd in first and Gideon in second I'd be happy.
Blake Gideon*, FS, Texas
Height: 6-1. Weight: 200.
Projected 40 Time: 4.54.
Projected Round (2011): 2.
5/14/10: Blake Gideon had 49 tackles and six interceptions to go along with his three pass break-ups in 2009.

OK here we go:

1st: Chris O'Dowd Center
2nd: Blake Gideon FS
3rd: Nathan Enderle QB
4th: Chykie Brown CB
5th:Chris Prosinski SS/FS
6th: Zach Heberer OG
7th: Ben Jacobs ILB

For those of you that think this is way too early, simply back out of thread and stroll on along. It ain't for you.

JB 08-12-2010 03:40 PM

Re: BADBOY's 2011 pre-season mock
 
I thought Gideon played SS?

steelbtexan 08-12-2010 03:58 PM

Re: BADBOY's 2011 pre-season mock
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by JB (Post 1491883)
I thought Gideon played SS?

He did, I want to see how the season plays out. But fixing the interior OL is job no.1 IMHO

With that said my mock would be

Rd.1 Wiesnewski
Rd.2 O'Dowd (Falls because of injury concerns)
Rd.2 Ras-I- Dqwling (after trading up)

badboy 08-12-2010 04:08 PM

Re: BADBOY's 2011 pre-season mock
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by JB (Post 1491883)
I thought Gideon played SS?

Remember a guy named Earl Thomas?

JB 08-12-2010 04:16 PM

Re: BADBOY's 2011 pre-season mock
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by badboy (Post 1491907)
Remember a guy named Earl Thomas?

Yeah, thats why I thought Gideon was the SS. Do you think they will move him now?

bah007 08-12-2010 04:32 PM

Re: BADBOY's 2011 pre-season mock
 
Gideon was more of a SS last year but was given typical FS responsibilites quite often. Because Texas is so good against the run with their front seven, both safeties can play quite deep against the pass.

This year he will be almost exclusively a FS. Christian Scott will be taking over Gideon's old position and Gideon will be moving into Earl Thomas' position (although he will not be used as a nickel corner as Thomas was).

As a college player Gideon is good. He is smart, understands his physical limitations, and plays to his strengths.

As a NFL prospect, I don't see him making the leap. And I certainly wouldn't use a second rounder on him. He cannot play SS in the NFL. He doesn't tackle well enough. And he doesn't project well to FS athletically. He did manage 6 interceptions this past season, but that was mainly due to Texas having the best pass rush in the nation.

He can make a NFL roster as a special teams guy and FS depth. But I don't see him as a starter. He just doesn't have the athletic skills to cover NFL WRs.

JB 08-12-2010 04:34 PM

Re: BADBOY's 2011 pre-season mock
 
Thanks for the info. That is what I was looking for.

bah007 08-12-2010 04:35 PM

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I'm also not high on Chykie Brown unless he becomes more consistent in his senior year. He is a guy that will look like Champ Bailey on one series and then Phillip Buchanan on the next two.

His technique and awareness are severly lacking, which causes him to make mistakes often. But he is an incredible athlete, which usually allows him to recover.

Will he be able to recover when he is chasing down a NFL WR? I don't know.

But a fourth rounder is not a bad place to try on a guy like him. If he figures it out he is a steal there.

HouSportsWriter 08-12-2010 04:36 PM

Re: BADBOY's 2011 pre-season mock
 
nice draft


heres a quick one i made






First pick..

Allen Bailey, DE/DT, Miami
Height: 6-4. Weight: 288.
Projected 40 Time: 4.80.

Okoya is young, but he just should not have been drafted by us.i see us geting allen bailet de / dt

2nd pick

Quinton Carter, FS, Oklahoma
Height: 6-1. Weight: 193.
Projected 40 Time: 4.53.

I love to see Carter and Polard on the same team


3rd pick

Chykie Brown, CB, Texas
Height: 6-0. Weight: 187.
Projected 40 Time: 4.39

We need all the corners that we can get with Peyton in our league!

4th pick

Roy Helu, RB, Nebraska
Height: 6-0. Weight: 215.
Projected 40 Time: 4.54

i see Tate and Helu and Foster starting i hope slaton turns around ,,,

5th pick

Jake Kirkpatrick, C/G, TCU
Height: 6-3. Weight: 305.
Projected 40 Time: 5.09.

I know it kinda late to be drafting a center but this is a big kid so i would give him a shot


6th pick

Kai Forbath, K, UCLA
Height: 6-0. Weight: 192.

if rackers can rack on some points this is no need but if not i see a kicker in the draft
7th pick

Brian Smith, ILB, Notre Dame
Height: 6-3. Weight: 240.
Projected 40 Time: 4.70.

back up

bah007 08-12-2010 04:37 PM

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If you are looking at Texas secondary prospects then I would look at Aaron Williams and Curtis Brown. They are both CBs.

Williams is a junior and a guaranteed first round lock if he enters the draft. He is a lockdown guy. A potential franchise corner.

Brown is probably a second round guy. He is a senior. Great athlete but has been stuck behind better players for most of his career.

JB 08-12-2010 04:39 PM

Re: BADBOY's 2011 pre-season mock
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by bah007 (Post 1491922)
If you are looking at Texas secondary prospects then I would look at Aaron Williams and Curtis Brown. They are both CBs.

Williams is a junior and a guaranteed first round lock if he enters the draft. He is a lockdown guy. A potential franchise corner.

Brown is probably a second round guy. He is a senior. Great athlete but has been stuck behind better players for most of his career.

Williams is probably the #2 CB right now on most boards, if he comes out. I'm pretty sure he will.

bah007 08-12-2010 04:40 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by JB (Post 1491925)
Williams is probably the #2 CB right now on most boards, if he comes out. I'm pretty sure he will.

I think so as well. Peterson from LSU is the only CB that should get drafted before him.

rmartin65 08-12-2010 05:00 PM

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I like what you have going on there badboy. This early, I would be hard pressed to find a better mock. I love the Prosinski pick (glad you agree from our pm's), and the Enderle pick.

Just for giggles, my pre-season mock would be:

1) Deunta Williams, FS, North Carolina
2)John Moffit, OC/OG, Wisconsin
3) Nathan Enderle, QB, Idaho
4) Will Rackley, OG, Liberty
5) Chris Prosinski, FS/SS, Wyoming
6) Owen Marecic, FB, Stanford
7) Eric Peitz, TE, Colorado State








7) Just kidding about that one, Alex Henry, K, Nebraska

badboy 08-12-2010 05:04 PM

Re: BADBOY's 2011 pre-season mock
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by steelbtexan (Post 1491896)
He did, I want to see how the season plays out. But fixing the interior OL is job no.1 IMHO

With that said my mock would be

Rd.1 Wiesnewski
Rd.2 O'Dowd (Falls because of injury concerns)
Rd.2 Ras-I- Dqwling (after trading up)

Interesting that you would use a first and second on two centers or would you use Wies as a guard?

badboy 08-12-2010 05:11 PM

Re: BADBOY's 2011 pre-season mock
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by bah007 (Post 1491918)
I'm also not high on Chykie Brown unless he becomes more consistent in his senior year. He is a guy that will look like Champ Bailey on one series and then Phillip Buchanan on the next two.

His technique and awareness are severly lacking, which causes him to make mistakes often. But he is an incredible athlete, which usually allows him to recover.

Will he be able to recover when he is chasing down a NFL WR? I don't know.

But a fourth rounder is not a bad place to try on a guy like him. If he figures it out he is a steal there.

I agree with your assessment of both UT guys and you can bet I will be watching both this season. Brown has the tools and the speed and hopefully another year in college and the good Texans coaching and he will be there. I think we will be deep at CB and especially if Moldin and Sherrick McManus step up. I am looking for an eventual replacement for Reeves.

I am hoping Gideon will surprise you and others but I could easily be wrong on him. I just don't see many other options for this position.

badboy 08-12-2010 05:13 PM

Re: BADBOY's 2011 pre-season mock
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by slatonisabeast (Post 1491920)
nice draft


heres a quick one i made






First pick..

Allen Bailey, DE/DT, Miami
Height: 6-4. Weight: 288.
Projected 40 Time: 4.80.

Okoya is young, but he just should not have been drafted by us.i see us geting allen bailet de / dt

2nd pick

Quinton Carter, FS, Oklahoma
Height: 6-1. Weight: 193.
Projected 40 Time: 4.53.

I love to see Carter and Polard on the same team


3rd pick

Chykie Brown, CB, Texas
Height: 6-0. Weight: 187.
Projected 40 Time: 4.39

We need all the corners that we can get with Peyton in our league!

4th pick

Roy Helu, RB, Nebraska
Height: 6-0. Weight: 215.
Projected 40 Time: 4.54

i see Tate and Helu and Foster starting i hope slaton turns around ,,,

5th pick

Jake Kirkpatrick, C/G, TCU
Height: 6-3. Weight: 305.
Projected 40 Time: 5.09.

I know it kinda late to be drafting a center but this is a big kid so i would give him a shot


6th pick

Kai Forbath, K, UCLA
Height: 6-0. Weight: 192.

if rackers can rack on some points this is no need but if not i see a kicker in the draft
7th pick

Brian Smith, ILB, Notre Dame
Height: 6-3. Weight: 240.
Projected 40 Time: 4.70.

back up

SIAB, I am watching your TCU center also. Good eye on your part.

badboy 08-12-2010 05:14 PM

Re: BADBOY's 2011 pre-season mock
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by bah007 (Post 1491922)
If you are looking at Texas secondary prospects then I would look at Aaron Williams and Curtis Brown. They are both CBs.

Williams is a junior and a guaranteed first round lock if he enters the draft. He is a lockdown guy. A potential franchise corner.

Brown is probably a second round guy. He is a senior. Great athlete but has been stuck behind better players for most of his career.

Nope, do not need a CB that high. Got to fix other areas first.:tiphat:

badboy 08-12-2010 05:20 PM

Re: BADBOY's 2011 pre-season mock
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by rmartin65 (Post 1491940)
I like what you have going on there badboy. This early, I would be hard pressed to find a better mock. I love the Prosinski pick (glad you agree from our pm's), and the Enderle pick.

Just for giggles, my pre-season mock would be:

1) Deunta Williams, FS, North Carolina
2)John Moffit, OC/OG, Wisconsin
3) Nathan Enderle, QB, Idaho
4) Will Rackley, OG, Liberty
5) Chris Prosinski, FS/SS, Wyoming
6) Owen Marecic, FB, Stanford
7) Eric Peitz, TE, Colorado State








7) Just kidding about that one, Alex Henry, K, Nebraska

Interesting on Moffitt. I considered him but 6'5" 320 gave me pause. 5.13 40 but what about his movement? Seems to have a solid base. Can he get into secondary in our ZBS? Yep on Williams if he is still on board in first as I mentioned. Like your mock. I am sure we will adjust many times if last time is any indication.

bah007 08-12-2010 05:33 PM

Re: BADBOY's 2011 pre-season mock
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by badboy (Post 1491957)
I agree with your assessment of both UT guys and you can bet I will be watching both this season. Brown has the tools and the speed and hopefully another year in college and the good Texans coaching and he will be there. I think we will be deep at CB and especially if Moldin and Sherrick McManus step up. I am looking for an eventual replacement for Reeves.

I am hoping Gideon will surprise you and others but I could easily be wrong on him. I just don't see many other options for this position.

Personally, I don't think the Molden project is gonna work out. Nothing against the guy but I just don't see him being a long term fix at CB. I like McMannis. I'm optimistic about that.

I don't think Reeves is here long term. Bennett looks lost. So all we really have is Jackson, Quin, and McMannis.

I hope Gideon surprises me too. As a Longhorn fan, the better he plays the happier I'll be. I just don't see him as a NFL FS. And I don't think we should force it just because FS is not a great situation for us right now. I don't see Gideon as an upgrade over what we have.

bah007 08-12-2010 05:37 PM

Re: BADBOY's 2011 pre-season mock
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by badboy (Post 1491964)
Nope, do not need a CB that high. Got to fix other areas first.:tiphat:

I guess we disagree here. I know we just took Jackson in the first, but let's say we add Williams next year. You can then put Quin over at FS or push him into the nickel CB spot. That's a significant upgrade to our team.

This is now a passing league. And I'm of the opinion that the more talented DBs you have the better off you are.


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