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b0ng 04-21-2010 03:37 PM

Should Gary Kubiak give Matt Schaub more freedom at QB
 
After seeing a lot of discussion of a certain non-play (Colts vs Texans near 2 minute warning at half time), the idea that Schaub does not have enough control over the offense has come up.

I agree. I think Schaub proved he was a decent QB (Who has some decision making problems), who generally knows whats going on in a game. Should Schaub be allowed to audible out of a play at the line of scrimmage? Absolutely. Does Kubiak allow this? As far as I know, he doesn't. He calls the plays and they run what he calls.

What do you guys think?

TexansBlood 04-21-2010 04:22 PM

Re: Should Gary Kubiak give Matt Schaub more freedom at QB
 
Yes he should be able to call audibles at times, especially when he sees and all out blitz coming!

m5kwatts 04-21-2010 04:27 PM

Re: Should Gary Kubiak give Matt Schaub more freedom at QB
 
The Texans offense isn't designed to allow audibles. The first 15-20 plays are scripted to begin with. And in the Denver ZBS WCO offense, each play called is designed to affect the next one. So two runs for 3 yards may look like failure, but it is called with purpose to set up play-action down the line. Allowing audibles would defeat this purpose.

b0ng 04-21-2010 04:31 PM

Re: Should Gary Kubiak give Matt Schaub more freedom at QB
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by m5kwatts (Post 1411922)
The Texans offense isn't designed to allow audibles. The first 15-20 plays are scripted to begin with. And in the Denver ZBS WCO offense, each play called is designed to affect the next one. So two runs for 3 yards may look like failure, but it is called with purpose to set up play-action down the line. Allowing audibles would defeat this purpose.

I think having a design for each game offensively is fine, but I think that allowing one of the top passing QB's to be able to audible out of what looks like a potential sack or broken play would give the Texans offense some elasticity and not be so predictable.

Dutchrudder 04-21-2010 04:33 PM

Re: Should Gary Kubiak give Matt Schaub more freedom at QB
 
I am pro-choice when it comes to Shaub running the offense from the line.

m5kwatts 04-21-2010 04:36 PM

Re: Should Gary Kubiak give Matt Schaub more freedom at QB
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by b0ng (Post 1411926)
I think having a design for each game offensively is fine, but I think that allowing one of the top passing QB's to be able to audible out of what looks like a potential sack or broken play would give the Texans offense some elasticity and not be so predictable.

I agree, I'm just doing my best to mimic what the powers-that-be would say.

Ole Miss Texan 04-21-2010 04:41 PM

Re: Should Gary Kubiak give Matt Schaub more freedom at QB
 
I think if Schaub sees a mismatch, he has the ability to capitalize on it. I forget which game it was but Schaub saw a mismatch with Andre Johnson, called an audible and hit a strike for a huge gain.

b0ng 04-21-2010 04:48 PM

Re: Should Gary Kubiak give Matt Schaub more freedom at QB
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Ole Miss Texan (Post 1411937)
I think if Schaub sees a mismatch, he has the ability to capitalize on it. I forget which game it was but Schaub saw a mismatch with Andre Johnson, called an audible and hit a strike for a huge gain.

So Schaub is allowed to audible during games?

m5kwatts 04-21-2010 04:58 PM

Re: Should Gary Kubiak give Matt Schaub more freedom at QB
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Ole Miss Texan (Post 1411937)
I think if Schaub sees a mismatch, he has the ability to capitalize on it. I forget which game it was but Schaub saw a mismatch with Andre Johnson, called an audible and hit a strike for a huge gain.

Are you sure he was calling for an audible or was he motioning some one? I'm guessing its the latter, the Texans have someone in motion before every snap, another reason why they don't audible. This tells Schaub whose in man or zone coverage.

barrett 04-21-2010 05:00 PM

Re: Should Gary Kubiak give Matt Schaub more freedom at QB
 
Considering that it's one of the top passing offenses in the NLF I think we should change everything about it. Clearly it's not working.

b0ng 04-21-2010 05:06 PM

Re: Should Gary Kubiak give Matt Schaub more freedom at QB
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by barrett (Post 1411954)
Considering that it's one of the top passing offenses in the NLF I think we should change everything about it. Clearly it's not working.

Are you saying that the QB not having the ability to call a different play at the line is the lynchpin of our offense and we should keep it exactly the same as we had last season because that was most Schaub has ever passed for? I don't think anybody is calling to scrap the play-action pass, but would our offense be really hampered that much with Schaub having access to audibles?

I guess what we're really asking is, Is Schaub smart enough to have that responsibility?

badboy 04-21-2010 05:15 PM

Re: Should Gary Kubiak give Matt Schaub more freedom at QB
 
My understanding of Kubiak's comments on this is, if every player does what he is supposed to do, there would be no need for an audible. Well, yeah, but you can not let your QB get killed as few plays are ran perfectly.

dalemurphy 04-21-2010 05:25 PM

Re: Should Gary Kubiak give Matt Schaub more freedom at QB
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by b0ng (Post 1411945)
So Schaub is allowed to audible during games?

My observation is that Schaub started making those kinds of decisions, regardless of what Kubiak wanted over the last 6 weeks of the season. He really took over that offense.

wagonhed 04-21-2010 05:54 PM

Re: Should Gary Kubiak give Matt Schaub more freedom at QB
 
How do you even script 15-20 plays in the first place when you don't know what the down and distance will be?

DexmanC 04-21-2010 06:29 PM

Re: Should Gary Kubiak give Matt Schaub more freedom at QB
 
With the "Murderer's Row" of a schedule, Kubiak BETTER make damn sure
this team plays with urgency at the start of the season. If that means
letting Schaub lead this team, then so be it.

Good luck Texans fans. We're gonna need it.

......that schedule.

(Let's pray.)
Please, God. Please let the schedule mean we make the post season, without
anybody discrediting our path to the playoffs!

sbalderrama 04-21-2010 06:47 PM

Re: Should Gary Kubiak give Matt Schaub more freedom at QB
 
I seem to remember a quote from Gary in some interview where he said that multiple methods of execution are available in their offensive formations; so while it may not look like Schaub is calling audibles in the vein of Peyton histrionics, I don't think he's completely set in stone on every play.

thunderkyss 04-21-2010 07:00 PM

Re: Should Gary Kubiak give Matt Schaub more freedom at QB
 
Maybe Schaub did so well, because he didn't have to do a lot of thinking.

I'm trusting Kubiak, I'm sure when Schaub is ready, he'll let him do whatever. If I were a QB guru, I could tell you when that will be.


As it is now, let him continue to successfully coach Matt to a successful season, and let's question the decisions that don't help our team become the most prolific passing attack in the NFL.

76Texan 04-21-2010 07:15 PM

Re: Should Gary Kubiak give Matt Schaub more freedom at QB
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by wagonhed (Post 1412007)
How do you even script 15-20 plays in the first place when you don't know what the down and distance will be?

They have a play for all situations.
John Madden wrote in a book that Bill Wash (former Niners coach) scripted 3 quarters every game toward the end of his career.
And the PC wasn't anything quike like today in the late 80s.

76Texan 04-21-2010 07:40 PM

Re: Should Gary Kubiak give Matt Schaub more freedom at QB
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Ole Miss Texan (Post 1411937)
I think if Schaub sees a mismatch, he has the ability to capitalize on it. I forget which game it was but Schaub saw a mismatch with Andre Johnson, called an audible and hit a strike for a huge gain.

That MS had become quite good against the blitz probably indicates that the hot routes quickly became the priority; ie. there must be some sort of preset signals???

u_got_stomped 04-21-2010 08:02 PM

Re: Should Gary Kubiak give Matt Schaub more freedom at QB
 
I heard on The Blitz that Schuab actually goes to the line with more than one play and then picks a play from what he sees the opp defense is doing


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