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Texans34Life 02-08-2010 01:27 PM

Fox Sports Mock Draft 1.0
 
http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/mock-draft-version-1

20. Houston Texans* -- Earl Thomas, CB/S, Texas: Capable of playing either safety or cornerback, Thomas is a local guy who can fill a pressing need for the Texans. A first-team All-American and a Thorpe Award finalist, Thomas manned the middle for the Longhorns' top-ranked defense. Houston got some good contributions from Bernard Pollard and John Busing in November and December, but could use top-notch young talent at safety to go with their star-studded front 7.

51. Houston Texans -- Ryan Mathews, RB, Fresno State

badboy 02-08-2010 01:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Texans34Life (Post 1362462)
http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/mock-draft-version-1

20. Houston Texans* -- Earl Thomas, CB/S, Texas: Capable of playing either safety or cornerback, Thomas is a local guy who can fill a pressing need for the Texans. A first-team All-American and a Thorpe Award finalist, Thomas manned the middle for the Longhorns' top-ranked defense. Houston got some good contributions from Bernard Pollard and John Busing in November and December, but could use top-notch young talent at safety to go with their star-studded front 7.

51. Houston Texans -- Ryan Mathews, RB, Fresno State

We do have a starting FS in Eugene Wilson. If DR is gone, we need a strong candidate to replace him. Kyle Wilson is the second best CB in draft. I like Quin but not sure he is ready for starter role & I would not put Reeves against the best WR opponent. I really, really like Thomas but as a CB, I have to move him behind Haden, Wilson and maybe Perrish Cox. Earl can play two key positions, but I am unsure if his hip swivel is where it needs to be. How fast is Mathews?

The Pencil Neck 02-08-2010 01:56 PM

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Originally Posted by badboy (Post 1362471)
How fast is Mathews?

Fan Spot projects him at about a 4.46.

The Pencil Neck 02-08-2010 02:02 PM

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NsiEY7ilKcU

Does this guy even last to our 2nd pick?

TheRealJoker 02-08-2010 04:39 PM

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Originally Posted by badboy (Post 1362471)
We do have a starting FS in Eugene Wilson. If DR is gone, we need a strong candidate to replace him. Kyle Wilson is the second best CB in draft. I like Quin but not sure he is ready for starter role & I would not put Reeves against the best WR opponent. I really, really like Thomas but as a CB, I have to move him behind Haden, Wilson and maybe Perrish Cox. Earl can play two key positions, but I am unsure if his hip swivel is where it needs to be. How fast is Mathews?

Has our safety play been so bad in this franchise's short history that we think Eugene "I played half the season" Wilson is the answer at FS? Wilson is serviceable, but if Thomas is there then he's a great value pick plus a possible ballhawk (which we've never had at safety) in the secondary.

Its very similar to the Cushing pick last year. Diles was a solid SAM, but he was also coming off a broken leg and even if healthy Cushing provided an upgrade. Wilson's a solid FS but he's not getting any younger and even if he's healthy I don't see him being better than Thomas.

Not to mention the fact that we'd actually have some quality depth in the secondary considering both Wilson and Thomas can play CB if needed. Plus, against the Colts three wides it would be useful to have 2 solid cover safeties that can play some CB against Indy's weapons.

LikeMike 02-08-2010 04:47 PM

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Its all depending on whether DR stays or goes. If he is gone we have a gaping hole at CB. If he stays, we are serviceable at CB and a little weak at FS. Id go with best player available here, probably in that order:

1. Dan Williams
2. Earl Thomas
3. Kyle Wilson

I hope that Dunta signs a reasonable contract and stays, so that we can adress our other weaknesses. With a rookie as CB1, and an injury prone FS that is "only" alright, not only Peyton would have a field day against us. Add to that a weakness in the middle and our defense would probably be worse than last year.

badboy 02-09-2010 02:41 PM

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Originally Posted by TheRealJoker (Post 1362588)
Has our safety play been so bad in this franchise's short history that we think Eugene "I played half the season" Wilson is the answer at FS? Wilson is serviceable, but if Thomas is there then he's a great value pick plus a possible ballhawk (which we've never had at safety) in the secondary.

Its very similar to the Cushing pick last year. Diles was a solid SAM, but he was also coming off a broken leg and even if healthy Cushing provided an upgrade. Wilson's a solid FS but he's not getting any younger and even if he's healthy I don't see him being better than Thomas.

Not to mention the fact that we'd actually have some quality depth in the secondary considering both Wilson and Thomas can play CB if needed. Plus, against the Colts three wides it would be useful to have 2 solid cover safeties that can play some CB against Indy's weapons.

I don't disagree with anything you say but...can we compare Eugene Wilson to Schaub? Both missed games their first two years, both looked pretty good when they played healthy. When able to stay on field 16 games in his third season, Shaub did very well. I think Thomas would eventually beat out Wilson, but I am hoping DR is gone & Kyle Wilson can fill that role, rookie or not. I will not cry if we get either. In fact, FS THomas was my 1st round choice all year & everyone kept telling me he'd be gone. I also think WIlson pays FS as well as DR plays CB, so if you are willing to upgrade FS, using your own arguement, you should be willing to upgrade CB. IMO Thomas is not a better CB than Wilson but if we get Thomas I hope I am poved wrong.

badboy 02-09-2010 02:43 PM

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Originally Posted by LikeMike (Post 1362594)
Its all depending on whether DR stays or goes. If he is gone we have a gaping hole at CB. If he stays, we are serviceable at CB and a little weak at FS. Id go with best player available here, probably in that order:

1. Dan Williams
2. Earl Thomas
3. Kyle Wilson

I hope that Dunta signs a reasonable contract and stays, so that we can adress our other weaknesses. With a rookie as CB1, and an injury prone FS that is "only" alright, not only Peyton would have a field day against us. Add to that a weakness in the middle and our defense would probably be worse than last year.

The only weakness in the middle is pressuring the QB. Maybe we need to get a bit more from our DEs Smith and Williams?

Dutchrudder 02-09-2010 05:09 PM

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Originally Posted by The Pencil Neck (Post 1362481)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NsiEY7ilKcU

Does this guy even last to our 2nd pick?

I doubt it, but if he's there he would be a great pick.

Texan4Ever 02-09-2010 05:20 PM

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We should try and get someone from the FA. If (probably not gonna' happen) we could get Nick Collins from the Packers and or get a veteran CB it would help us out a lot on opening day without having to play a rookie as a starter at CB or S.

threetoedpete 02-10-2010 02:39 AM

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I'm not against the Thomas Pick. He's a high end prospect at a need position. And he's going to grow. However doesn't the weight bother anyone besides me ? One hundred and ninety pounds. Some of you have golf bags that weigh more than that. There's no doubt the guy can flat out cover some territory in the middle of the field.

threetoedpete 02-10-2010 02:45 AM

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Originally Posted by badboy (Post 1363034)
The only weakness in the middle is pressuring the QB. Maybe we need to get a bit more from our DEs Smith and Williams?

That's what I was trying to get at the other day also. Ordick reminds me of Znoginia. And they love the Z man. But I think it's a push as to what extra Ordick, as good as he is, will bring to the pass rush. He'll flat out wear people out with his motor. But any more than the Z man did when he rotated in ?

nero THE zero 02-10-2010 09:32 AM

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Sign me up.

FuzzyLogic 02-10-2010 10:01 AM

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Originally Posted by threetoedpete (Post 1363309)
I'm not against the Thomas Pick. He's a high end prospect at a need position. And he's going to grow. However doesn't the weight bother anyone besides me ? One hundred and ninety pounds. Some of you have golf bags that weigh more than that. There's no doubt the guy can flat out cover some territory in the middle of the field.

Just going from information on NFL.com and the Longhorns official site...

Earl Thomas; 5'10" 197 pounds

Compared to...

Ed Reed; 5'11" 200 pounds

Is Ed Reed to small? :)

b0ng 02-10-2010 10:21 AM

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Originally Posted by badboy (Post 1363032)
I don't disagree with anything you say but...can we compare Eugene Wilson to Schaub? Both missed games their first two years, both looked pretty good when they played healthy. When able to stay on field 16 games in his third season, Shaub did very well. I think Thomas would eventually beat out Wilson, but I am hoping DR is gone & Kyle Wilson can fill that role, rookie or not. I will not cry if we get either. In fact, FS THomas was my 1st round choice all year & everyone kept telling me he'd be gone. I also think WIlson pays FS as well as DR plays CB, so if you are willing to upgrade FS, using your own arguement, you should be willing to upgrade CB. IMO Thomas is not a better CB than Wilson but if we get Thomas I hope I am poved wrong.

There is a hell of a lot more to be okay with at the CB position (Even if DR leaves) than there is at the FS position, especially if Wilson goes down again. I cannot be sad about a pick that keeps Busing off the field as much as possible.


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