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thunderkyss 01-23-2010 07:35 AM

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In your opinion, what do you think of Scout.com's 2009 RB rankings?


Knowshon Moreno....... 5 Star
Beanie Wells............... 5 Star
Donald Brown............. 5 Star
LeSean McCoy............. 5 Star
Rashad Jennings......... 4 Star

etc.. etc..

Is there anyone on the list they over-rated?

Anyone they under-rated?

Anyone they left off the list?

JB 01-23-2010 08:24 AM

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[quote=thunderkyss;1353691]In your opinion, what do you think of Scout.com's 2009 RB rankings?


Knowshon Moreno....... 5 Star
Beanie Wells............... 5 Star
Donald Brown............. 5 Star
LeSean McCoy............. 5 Star
Rashad Jennings......... 4 Star

etc.. etc..

Is there anyone on the list they over-rated?

Anyone they under-rated?

Anyone they left off the list?[/QUOTE]

Shonn Greene?

thunderkyss 01-23-2010 08:37 AM

Re: Hind sight is 20/20: RUNNINGBACKS
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by JB (Post 1353702)
Quote:

Originally Posted by thunderkyss (Post 1353691)
In your opinion, what do you think of Scout.com's 2009 RB rankings?


Knowshon Moreno....... 5 Star
Beanie Wells............... 5 Star
Donald Brown............. 5 Star
LeSean McCoy............. 5 Star
Rashad Jennings......... 4 Star

etc.. etc..

Is there anyone on the list they over-rated?

Anyone they under-rated?

Anyone they left off the list?

Shonn Greene?

Follow the link, Shonn Greene is on that list. I want your opinion of Scout.com's list, not mine. I don't have a list.

Do you think Scout.com over-rated or under-rated any of the RBs from the 2009 draft?

JB 01-23-2010 08:51 AM

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Sorry, I missed the link. I think that they have Jennings way overrated as well as Ringer, Davis, A Brown and Goodson. I think that the others are pretty good. I do not really know as I have not had the opportunity to watch much of them.

SteveSlaton20 01-23-2010 10:22 AM

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shonn greene and beanie wells are the best rbs of 09 imo.

Goatcheese 01-23-2010 03:21 PM

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I don't think we've seen enough of them to make a firm judgment yet, but I'll throw in my two cents on what we've seen so far.

Wells looked good behind a terrible line
Greene looked good behind a great line
Ringer only got 8 touches but picked up 6 YPC
Moreno has been what I said he was. How does a 1st rounder average 3.8 YPC in Denver?
Rashad Jennings was better than I thought he'd be. 39 touches isn't enough to draw a conclusion though.
Coffee was pretty terrible. I never quite understood the flaming man crush people had for him.
Donald Brown didn't really get a fair shake behind Indie's line.
L.McCoy was adequate, but certainly not the best in the draft as some people around here held him up to be.
James Davis was worse than his low billing would have lead you to believe.

thunderkyss 01-23-2010 06:23 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Goatcheese (Post 1353848)
I don't think we've seen enough of them to make a firm judgment yet, but I'll throw in my two cents on what we've seen so far.

Thanks for your reply.

I agree, it's too early to tell if these guys were worthy of their draft spots. It will be years before we can determine that.

Right now, I'm asking if Scout.com know what they're talking about.

I don't know these players from Adam. Just trying to analyze my sources.

mussop 01-24-2010 10:48 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by thunderkyss (Post 1353917)
Thanks for your reply.

I agree, it's too early to tell if these guys were worthy of their draft spots. It will be years before we can determine that.

Right now, I'm asking if Scout.com know what they're talking about.

I don't know these players from Adam. Just trying to analyze my sources.

I think there rankings were pretty much on par going into last years draft but there rating system sucks. They need to put a little more effort into that end.


2010 Scout.com NFL Draft Rankings Year:
Prospects by: Overall Rank | POSITION | College | Home State | Name
Position:RB


Rank Rating Name Yr Ht/Wt/40 College Home
RB 1 C.J. Spiller SR 5-11/195/- Clemson Lake Butler, FL
RB 2 Jonathan Dwyer JR 6-0/235/- Georgia Tech Marietta, GA
RB 3 Jahvid Best JR 5-10/185/- California Richmond, CA
RB 4 Ryan Mathews JR 5-11.5/220/- Fresno State Bakersfield, CA
RB 5 Anthony Dixon SR 6-1/235/- Mississippi State Terry, MS
RB 6 Toby Gerhart JR 6-1/235/- Stanford Norco, CA
RB 7 Joe McKnight JR 6-0/180/- USC River Ridge, LA
RB 8 Joique Bell SR 5-11/212/- Wayne State (Michigan) Benton Harbor, MI
RB 9 Ben Tate SR 5-11/217/- Auburn Snow Hill, MD
RB 10 Charles Scott SR 6-0/234/- LSU Jonesboro, LA
RB 11 Montario Hardesty SR 6-0/215/- Tennessee New Bern, NC
RB 12 James Starks SR 6-2/206/- Buffalo Niagara Falls, NY
RB 13 Chris Brown SR 5-10/190/- Oklahoma Alexandria, LA
RB 14 Andre Anderson SR 6-0/216/- Tulane Stone Mountain, GA
RB 15 Keith Toston SR 6-1/210/- Oklahoma State Angleton, TX
RB 16 Stafon Johnson SR 6-1/210/- USC Los Angeles, CA
RB 17 Joseph Turner SR 6-1/225/- TCU Austin, TX
RB 18 LeGarrette Blount SR 6-2/240/- Oregon Perry, FL
RB 19 LaMarcus Coker SR 5-10/205/- Hampton Antioch, TN
RB 20 Darius Marshall JR 5-10/189/- Marshall Milledgeville, GA
RB 21 Andre Dixon SR 6-1/202/- Connecticut New Brunswick, NJ
RB 22 Roy Upchurch SR 6-0/191/- Alabama Tallahassee, FL
RB 23 Javarris James SR 6-0/200/- Miami (FL) Immokalee, FL

These rankings are pretty close to what I have also. The top 6 are dead on. I have Hardesty and Blount rated alot higher though.

thunderkyss 01-24-2010 11:35 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by mussop (Post 1354130)
I have Hardesty and Blount rated alot higher though.

Speaking of Blount.... how would you feel if Smithiak passed on the top 6, addressing other needs early in the draft, then take Blount later in the draft?

Not saying that it is likely we'll go after a "character" guy.. but what if?

mussop 01-24-2010 01:27 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by thunderkyss (Post 1354175)
Speaking of Blount.... how would you feel if Smithiak passed on the top 6, addressing other needs early in the draft, then take Blount later in the draft?

Not saying that it is likely we'll go after a "character" guy.. but what if?

Actually I could live with that. Blounts stock obviously took a hit :) this year with the pucnching incident. He made a mistake for sure but he is just a kid and seems to have learned from the mistake. If he truly has then some team is going to get good value from him in the later rounds. I would love for it to be us.

How about something like this

1. Mike Iupati, G, Idah
10 year starter and someone to run behind in short yardage situations.

2. Chad Jones S 6'3" 218 LSU
A Pollard clone with better cover skills. Now we have 2 safeties that will knock the piss out you. Yeh throw it over the middle Peyton, please!

3. Maurkice Pouncey* C 6'5" 312 Florida
Could probably start right away and be an upgrade at LG and eventually take over for Myers in the middle.

4. Kyle Wilson CB 5'10" 190 Boise State
Solid return man and cover corner who likes to hit. Isnt big enough to knock the piss out of you but hits hard enough to knock a drop or two out.

5. LeGarrette Blount SR 6-2/240/- Oregon
If maturity level checks out this is a way better value here than Gerhart in the second or third. "Think of him like a mini Brandon Jacobs with more speed"-Mike Mayock

5. Boo Robinson DT 6'2" 326 Wake Forest
Another DT for the rotation.


6. Javarris James Running Back University of Miami
Looked like a solid ZB RB in the Shrine practices.


Watch these videos with an open mind of Blount and Gerhart and tell me what the big difference is talent wise. I dont see much difference.

Side note: Who ever made the Toby highlight needs to be kicked in the balls for showing the same highlight over and over from every angle ever concieved. Man that irritates the sheet out of me.

steelbtexan 01-24-2010 01:42 PM

Re: Hind sight is 20/20: RUNNINGBACKS
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by thunderkyss (Post 1354175)
Speaking of Blount.... how would you feel if Smithiak passed on the top 6, addressing other needs early in the draft, then take Blount later in the draft?

Not saying that it is likely we'll go after a "character" guy.. but what if?

If Smithiak waits until the later rds of the draft my 2 5th rd. picks would be
Stafon Johnson and my favorite Lamarcus Coker. Coker is also a dynamic KR/PR.

Johnson was USC's main goal line RB (he was very good at this job) until his injury.

Steals in the 5th rd. IMO

was385 01-25-2010 09:18 AM

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I really don't think we can judge them that well. As someone said, Shonn Greene is running behind a great line, while someone like Donald Brown is running behind a poor run blocking line out of the shotgun normally.

badboy 01-25-2010 09:53 AM

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I was surprised that J.Johnson was rated 3 stars like Foster as he is noted at 198- 209lbs with slow speed. I was fan of Jennings and will probably follow his pro career as one that "got away".

badboy 01-25-2010 10:09 AM

Re: Hind sight is 20/20: RUNNINGBACKS
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by mussop (Post 1354255)
Actually I could live with that. Blounts stock obviously took a hit :) this year with the pucnching incident. He made a mistake for sure but he is just a kid and seems to have learned from the mistake. If he truly has then some team is going to get good value from him in the later rounds. I would love for it to be us.

How about something like this

1. Mike Iupati, G, Idah
10 year starter and someone to run behind in short yardage situations.

2. Chad Jones S 6'3" 218 LSU
A Pollard clone with better cover skills. Now we have 2 safeties that will knock the piss out you. Yeh throw it over the middle Peyton, please!

3. Maurkice Pouncey* C 6'5" 312 Florida
Could probably start right away and be an upgrade at LG and eventually take over for Myers in the middle.

4. Kyle Wilson CB 5'10" 190 Boise State
Solid return man and cover corner who likes to hit. Isnt big enough to knock the piss out of you but hits hard enough to knock a drop or two out.

5. LeGarrette Blount SR 6-2/240/- Oregon
If maturity level checks out this is a way better value here than Gerhart in the second or third. "Think of him like a mini Brandon Jacobs with more speed"-Mike Mayock

5. Boo Robinson DT 6'2" 326 Wake Forest
Another DT for the rotation.


6. Javarris James Running Back University of Miami
Looked like a solid ZB RB in the Shrine practices.


Watch these videos with an open mind of Blount and Gerhart and tell me what the big difference is talent wise. I dont see much difference.

Side note: Who ever made the Toby highlight needs to be kicked in the balls for showing the same highlight over and over from every angle ever concieved. Man that irritates the sheet out of me.

I would jump all over this mock and it addresses need positions with players that should be there. I question only Blount, but in 5th I would accept the selection. Most remember him for the punch but he was suspended season before also with coach conflicts. I can over look this as the coach left and new guy re-instated Blount but curiously he did not participate in all the voluntary practices. Seems like he would want to show new coach he was trying to change. I feel the need for a power back is so huge I'd rather not gamble only on this player, unless you had more of a guarantee that Foster is the real deal. WHat do you have on the other back you chose?

link http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LeGarrette_Blount

steelbtexan 01-25-2010 10:24 AM

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Another reason you want to take Blount in the 5th rd is $.

You dont want to give Blount high draft pick $ and watch him go crazy with it. I.E. making it rain.

bah007 01-25-2010 10:33 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by steelbtexan (Post 1354898)
Another reason you want to take Blount in the 5th rd is $.

You dont want to give Blount high draft pick $ and watch him go crazy with it. I.E. making it rain.

I doubt Blount gets drafted at all. He will get picked up as a UDFA somewhere though.

He can't catch out of the backfield, he can't pass protect, he doesn't move well laterally, and he lacks top end speed. Plus he has had a multitude of attitude problems not even counting the Boise St incident.

He is basically a goal line back at the next level.

But he is a "big back" so of course this board will be all over his balls.

mussop 01-25-2010 12:20 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by bah007 (Post 1354914)
I doubt Blount gets drafted at all. He will get picked up as a UDFA somewhere though.

He can't catch out of the backfield, he can't pass protect, he doesn't move well laterally, and he lacks top end speed. Plus he has had a multitude of attitude problems not even counting the Boise St incident.

He is basically a goal line back at the next level.

But he is a "big back" so of course this board will be all over his balls.

Let me guess, Todd McShay? Watch the guy play and you will see your assesment of him is innacurate. You are right that he might not get drafted but it wont be because of lack of talent.

bah007 01-25-2010 02:26 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by mussop (Post 1355001)
Let me guess, Todd McShay? Watch the guy play and you will see your assesment of him is innacurate. You are right that he might not get drafted but it wont be because of lack of talent.

I don't listen to McShay. Look into my post history and you will see my stance on him is well documented. He is garbage.

I watch the players on my own time. I do my own research. I look at a couple of sites to confirm or maybe change my stance on a player. But everything I say about a guy is things I have seen with my own eyes. I don't just repeat things I have heard elsewhere.

I hope I don't come off as arrogant but very few people on this board are right more than I am when it comes to draft time. So no offense intended, but I'm gonna trust my eyes over yours on this one.

WolverineFan 01-25-2010 03:56 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by bah007 (Post 1355102)
I don't listen to McShay. Look into my post history and you will see my stance on him is well documented. He is garbage.

I watch the players on my own time. I do my own research. I look at a couple of sites to confirm or maybe change my stance on a player. But everything I say about a guy is things I have seen with my own eyes. I don't just repeat things I have heard elsewhere.

I hope I don't come off as arrogant but very few people on this board are right more than I am when it comes to draft time. So no offense intended, but I'm gonna trust my eyes over yours on this one.

No use bah. Blount is a big RB so many people on this board are going to want him. A lot of them will have legitimate reasons and arguments, but there is also the whole "big back" crowd that just wants him for that sole purpose. These are the same people that are convinced that we need a 360 lb NT to stop the run.

mussop 01-26-2010 08:03 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by bah007 (Post 1355102)
I don't listen to McShay. Look into my post history and you will see my stance on him is well documented. He is garbage.

I watch the players on my own time. I do my own research. I look at a couple of sites to confirm or maybe change my stance on a player. But everything I say about a guy is things I have seen with my own eyes. I don't just repeat things I have heard elsewhere.

I hope I don't come off as arrogant but very few people on this board are right more than I am when it comes to draft time. So no offense intended, but I'm gonna trust my eyes over yours on this one.


Well as of now it looks like you are off to a bad start.

LaGarrette Blount/RB/Oregon: Blount was a late addition to the Senior Bowl, and he displayed the skills which made him such a highly rated running back coming into the season. He ran tough between the tackles and showed a burst, which many did not know he possessed.

We'll see.


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