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Wolf6151 01-18-2010 12:44 AM

Possible 1st round draft picks for the Texans.
 
I came up with the idea that every week on Sunday evening I'd start a thread about realistic possible draft picks by round. We can each post players that we feel are appropriate for that round and why and what effect they'd have on the Texans.

:texflag: Possible 1st round draft picks for the Texans: (Realistic)

1. Earl Thomas-FS, great speed and ball skills though he lacks some height. I think this guy is a distinct possibility and would make a great ballhawking FS to pair with Pollard thus making our Safety positions set for years to come. He'd be of great help to our CB's.

2. Taylor Mays-FS, this guy is a possiblity but I sure hope that we don't take him since he lacks the ball skills we need in a FS. He seems to go for the big hit and not the interception or pass deflection. He's got great size and speed but I think he'd be a better SS or possibly a WLB.

3. Brian Price-DT, 6'02 and 300 lbs. with good penetration ability and seems to me to be more of an UT than a NT. I think we're looking for a NT since we've already go Okoye at UT. I never saw any UCLA games this year but watched his YouTube highlight videos and was unimpressed. For every good play he made there was one where he's pushed laterally and out of the play. He does seem to fit Kollars system of smaller quicker DT's though.

4. Dan Williams-DT/NT, 6'03" and 325 lbs. possibly gone by the time we pick but maybe not. He'd make a great NT in our system, taking up 2 blockers and freeing up Okoye and Smith to make penetration. I'm tired of spending 1st round picks on the D-line but this guy could solidify our line for years to come.

5. Mike Iupati-OG, 6'05" and 330 lbs. this guy is big which doesn't seem to fit our ZBS system but he is also very agile and fit, he's not a big fat guy taking up space. He also seems to have alot of lower body strength where an OG needs it in his legs. His height worries me though, being tall will allow shorter DT's to get under his pads and stand him up.

6. C.J. Spiller-RB, Kubiak stated that they were going to work on the running game this offseason which means RB's and O-linemen. Now I'm not sure they're ready to give up on Slaton after one bad year but Spiller would be perfect for the one cut and go ZBS system. Great speed and quickness. He's not my personal choice in the 1st round but I wouldn't be against it either.

7. Jonathan Dwyer-RB, some may not agree that he's a possibility in the 1st round but this guy most likely won't be available by the time we pick in the 2nd. He'll probably go later 1st or very early 2nd round. Good speed and a larger size that should allow him to take more of the NFL pounding than Spiller.

8. Trent Williams-OT, the Texans want to improve the running game this offseason so working on the O-line is a distinct possibility in the early part of the draft, he's not LT material but could be a possibility at RT if the Texans were to move Eric Winston to RG. Winston didn't have a great year at RT this season so it's a possibility.

9. Bryan Bulaga-OT, same explanation as Trent Williams but this guy could play either LT or RT thus moving Duane Brown inside to LG, doubtful but it's a possibility.

10. Donovan Warren-CB, I never saw this guy play but he's very highly rated with great speed and we sure need help at CB. This pick all depends on whether or not Dunta stays or leaves. I'd sure like to see an upgrade at CB but this isn't the year for it, there aren't very many guys that will be a future #1 CB in this draft.

Let's hear your opinions, other realistic players. Next week I'll post possibilities for the 2nd round if it seems that people here like this idea, so start reading up. This should keep us busy for 7 weeks. :)

bah007 01-18-2010 01:01 AM

Re: Possible 1st round draft picks for the Texans.
 
Here are some guys I've been keeping an eye on who could be around when we select. Looks like you already covered them. I've listed them in the order I covet them. I don't think RB needs to be addressed in the first round and I think that we will most likely be targeting the interior OL or the secondary.

Earl Thomas - FS, Texas: Ballhawking FS who can play centerfield but also excels in man coverage. Better than Eric Berry against the pass, but will he hold up against NFL blockers and RBs? Could be off the board when we pick.

Mike Iupati - G, Idaho: I think he would work in our system. People tend to get too hung up on size when thinking about the ZBS. You can be big and still move well.

Donovan Warren - CB, Michigan: The second best CB in this draft, IMO. He doesn't hit quite like Dunta but he can wrap up a guy and finish him off. Great playmaker in zone coverage. Haden and Lindley are probably the only guys that are better in man.

Brian Price - DT, UCLA: Great player. I have him ranked as my #3 DT. I think he would work well in our style of defense. I think the people on this board are a little bit obsessed with the idea of getting a big NT into the middle of our defense but I disagree. I think we need DTs that can shoot gaps and disrupt the passing game.

Dan Williams - DT, Tennessee: Williams can play in the middle of a 43 or a 34. Not much of a threat in the pass rush but he would hold blocks in the running game.

Texan4Ever 01-18-2010 12:01 PM

Re: Possible 1st round draft picks for the Texans.
 
I watched a few Michigan football games and overall, with coaching, Donovan Warren has the potential to become a solid cornerback. He hails from a school that has produced good DBs like Charles Woodson and Leon Hall and so I can expect him to bring his A-game day in and day out. I feel that he shouldv'e stayed in school for one more year to hone his skills but if we can grab him in the 2nd or 3rd round then we have a steal.

UCLAs Brian Price is another solid defensive tackle even through his stats may not be THAT impressive, Price is a good UT and can get after the quarterback. We already have Amobi Okoye so we should pass on Price.

Dan Williams would be nice because we need a space eating DT who can take on blockers and allow Okoye to go one-on-one with the opposing linemen. I doub't he lasts by the time we draft him because there are a few teams ahead of us that need a NT, but if he is there then we should consider it.

Mike Iupati is an absolute beast and I think he may become a solid All-Pro guard even through he comes from a small school. He is massive yet nimble enough that he can get a good push on defensive linemen and open up nice holes. He has a 1st round grade but I doubt he gets picked up untill the early 2nd, however, with the NFL Draft you never know...

The Sooners Trent Williams played a bit of center during a few games and I'd like to see him continue to play that position because its always nice to have a linemen who can play multiple positions well (a la Bruce Matthews :fingergun:)

badboy 01-18-2010 02:09 PM

Re: Possible 1st round draft picks for the Texans.
 
Here's my thinking, Iupati is high for #20 but I would take him and not look back. My concerns for him in the ZBS is long term capability. Will he make 16 games? If he could split time with Pitts, all right, I guess. I think he will be gone by our pick in round two. If you have a "dire need" position and your guy will quite possibly be gone by your next pick, I say pull the trigger.

That is why I have Gerhart in 1st on my board. I love this guy and I think Dwyer will also be gone by our second and so might Anthony Dixon. Scott was hurt & I am a bit leery of him. I had read that TG had said he would petition Stanford for a fifth year of eligibility if NFL advisory did not give him a first round rating. He came out.

nero THE zero 01-18-2010 02:14 PM

Re: Possible 1st round draft picks for the Texans.
 
I don't think there's any way in the world the Texans would entertain drafting a T in the 1st (unless they have designs on moving him to G.) Winston and Brown are both entrenched at the T spots.

My tentative list for possible round 1 Texans right now would be:
Earl Thomas
Donovan Warren
Brian Price
Dan Williams
Jonathan Dwyer
Ryan Matthews
Dez Bryant

b0ng 01-18-2010 02:33 PM

Re: Possible 1st round draft picks for the Texans.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by nero THE zero (Post 1350617)
I don't think there's any way in the world the Texans would entertain drafting a T in the 1st (unless they have designs on moving him to G.) Winston and Brown are both entrenched at the T spots.

My tentative list for possible round 1 Texans right now would be:
Earl Thomas
Donovan Warren
Brian Price
Dan Williams
Jonathan Dwyer
Ryan Matthews
Dez Bryant

I think you just gotta put Iupati on this list. He at least has as much of a chance at being drafted as Bryant.

Wolf6151 01-18-2010 04:18 PM

Re: Possible 1st round draft picks for the Texans.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by nero THE zero (Post 1350617)
I don't think there's any way in the world the Texans would entertain drafting a T in the 1st (unless they have designs on moving him to G.) Winston and Brown are both entrenched at the T spots.

My tentative list for possible round 1 Texans right now would be:
Earl Thomas
Donovan Warren
Brian Price
Dan Williams
Jonathan Dwyer
Ryan Matthews
Dez Bryant


Unfortunately I think your right about the Texans moving Winston or Brown. Neither Winston or Brown are stud OT's. Picking a stud OT that might fall to us would be filling 2 spots with one pick by moving Winston or Brown inside. It makes sense so naturally I don't think the Texans would even consider it. I forgot about Dez Bryant, he's a 1st round consideration, but I hope we don't go that route. I'm thinking Ryan Matthews is a 2nd round consideration but we all have differing opinions. I could see taking him if we traded down to the high 20's.

beerlover 01-18-2010 06:25 PM

Re: Possible 1st round draft picks for the Texans.
 
Spiller hands down if available.

Earl Thomas clear cut 2nd best option.

then it gets very interesting. for this discussion lets assume both are off the board by 19/20.

lets also assume the Texans re-sign Dunta Robinson, to a resonable contract.

who address biggest need & who is the best player fit for Texans?

Brian Price, DT UCLA would be a great fit. premium size 6-2 300 lbs. productive numbers 23 1/2 tackles for loss and seven sacks, value with early entry. This would give the Texans increased QB pressure & prevent them from getting overpowered @ the line of scrimmage. Expect our sack numbers to finally reflect the emphasis placed on these building blocks.
Mike Iupati, OG Utah 6-5 330. massive interior lineman for the ZBS but creates much needed interior strength & mass to push on nose/bigger DT's both in short yardage, goaline stands & added pass protection for Schaub. Also enables new OL coach Benton to move around players to respective strengths to help overall OL performance.
Recap if the skilled player defensive or offensive is off the board look for the Texans to address either line of scrimmage to enforce the trenches.

playa465 01-18-2010 06:39 PM

Re: Possible 1st round draft picks for the Texans.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Wolf6151 (Post 1350717)
Unfortunately I think your right about the Texans moving Winston or Brown. Neither Winston or Brown are stud OT's. Picking a stud OT that might fall to us would be filling 2 spots with one pick by moving Winston or Brown inside. It makes sense so naturally I don't think the Texans would even consider it.

Agreed but also I don't think Kubiak would ever start a rookie on the OL unless he absolutely had too.

Big Poundcake 01-18-2010 06:42 PM

Re: Possible 1st round draft picks for the Texans.
 
Earl Thomas or Dez Bryant for me.

Jackie Chiles 01-18-2010 10:31 PM

Re: Possible 1st round draft picks for the Texans.
 
There are quite a few players that I would be pleased with at 19/20.

At safety either Mays or Thomas. Historically it is rare for 3 safety's to be selected in the top 20 so we could have a shot at one of them. I know a lot of people are down on Mays but after what we got in Cushing I wouldn't hesitate to go back to the USC well. Polamalu didn't have great INT numbers at SC either. Mays won't be Polamalu good but I think he is going to be a very very good pro.

At DT Brian Price or Dan Williams would be fine with me. I prefer Price though and I think he fits better.

At CB I would be alright with Donovan Warren and I am starting to come around on Patrick Robinson. Just a gut feeling but I think he will also be a better pro than college player.

Iupati is probably the only O-lineman I would want at that spot.

Spiller would be great at RB and I wouldn't mind Jahvid Best.

Keep in mind these are only players I think have a chance at being available but thats 9 players right there I could live with. Haven't looked at the trade value charts but I also wouldn't mind trading completely out of the first, maybe with the Patriots or some other team with multiple 2nd round picks.

WolverineFan 01-18-2010 11:01 PM

Re: Possible 1st round draft picks for the Texans.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by bah007 (Post 1350359)
Here are some guys I've been keeping an eye on who could be around when we select. Looks like you already covered them. I've listed them in the order I covet them. I don't think RB needs to be addressed in the first round and I think that we will most likely be targeting the interior OL or the secondary.

Earl Thomas - FS, Texas: Ballhawking FS who can play centerfield but also excels in man coverage. Better than Eric Berry against the pass, but will he hold up against NFL blockers and RBs? Could be off the board when we pick.

Mike Iupati - G, Idaho: I think he would work in our system. People tend to get too hung up on size when thinking about the ZBS. You can be big and still move well.

Donovan Warren - CB, Michigan: The second best CB in this draft, IMO. He doesn't hit quite like Dunta but he can wrap up a guy and finish him off. Great playmaker in zone coverage. Haden and Lindley are probably the only guys that are better in man.

Brian Price - DT, UCLA: Great player. I have him ranked as my #3 DT. I think he would work well in our style of defense. I think the people on this board are a little bit obsessed with the idea of getting a big NT into the middle of our defense but I disagree. I think we need DTs that can shoot gaps and disrupt the passing game.

Dan Williams - DT, Tennessee: Williams can play in the middle of a 43 or a 34. Not much of a threat in the pass rush but he would hold blocks in the running game.

Earl Thomas - Thomas has all the skills to succeed in the NFL he just lacks ideal size. He should have won the Thorpe this year and I think he will have a great NFL career. He is also my #1 option right now.

Mike Iupati - He would not make an immediate impact but would be a good option to replace Pitts in a year or two. The ZBS is complicated to learn but he is very capable of playing within the scheme.

Donovan Warren - I am also high on him. He started as a true freshman at UM and he played very well every year. For those that think he should have gone back for his senior year you need to watch some more film of this kid. He is legit.

Brian Price - If we hadn't already taken TJ and Okoye in the 1st round in recent years then I would like this pick, but I'm just so tired of wasting picks on DT's. The D-Line actually played pretty well this year and I feel we should add a FA or take a guy later in the draft.

Dan Williams - See Price above. Also, I agree we don't necessarily need a space eating NT. We need a guy who will be effective in the scheme. If he can shoot gaps then he can play in our defense.

badboy 01-19-2010 02:41 PM

Re: Possible 1st round draft picks for the Texans.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by playa465 (Post 1350817)
Agreed but also I don't think Kubiak would ever start a rookie on the OL unless he absolutely had too.

He did just last season with Duane Brown so the history is there.

Goldensilence 01-19-2010 03:59 PM

Re: Possible 1st round draft picks for the Texans.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by badboy (Post 1351336)
He did just last season with Duane Brown so the history is there.

Very true. I'm just hoping that with his job on the line Kubiak is forced to think a lot differently then he has before as far as his roster choices go.

The guys I have as first round picks.

Spiller - Franchise RB? I don't know, but he's explosive in all phases of the game running, catching, and on returns.

Earl Thomas - He's what we probably need at FS, for the first time a guy that can man up on the outisde and play center fielder.

Iupati - Stuck between him being my first round choice. I think if we plug him in at either guard, Caldwell at the other and look at center later in the draft we've got our line situated for a while. We can get the push we need up the middle for whomever is at RB.

Dez Bryant - Slowly starting to think this is who I would target if he drops then look for a interior OL in the second.

Ok just think about it for a moment. This pick is the only reason I'd let Walter walk via FA, but look at the top 3 WRs. AJ, Dez, and JJ. Then you've got to consider a healthy OD into the mix. In the secondary who are you going to cover? And with who? You obviously can't stack the box now and you've always got to be aware that either of those 4 can break a big play.

If we can keep the same level of defensive play I think we'd be a tough team to beat because our offense could set the game's pace. Force opposing offenses to keep up and in the mean time with a healthy Mario back, Smith's motor and Barwin's speed all being able to pin their ears back and go after the QB. Don't forget Cushing can come on a blitz as well.

badboy 01-19-2010 04:45 PM

Re: Possible 1st round draft picks for the Texans.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Goldensilence (Post 1351408)
Very true. I'm just hoping that with his job on the line Kubiak is forced to think a lot differently then he has before as far as his roster choices go.

The guys I have as first round picks.

Spiller - Franchise RB? I don't know, but he's explosive in all phases of the game running, catching, and on returns.

Earl Thomas - He's what we probably need at FS, for the first time a guy that can man up on the outisde and play center fielder.

Iupati - Stuck between him being my first round choice. I think if we plug him in at either guard, Caldwell at the other and look at center later in the draft we've got our line situated for a while. We can get the push we need up the middle for whomever is at RB.

Dez Bryant - Slowly starting to think this is who I would target if he drops then look for a interior OL in the second.

Ok just think about it for a moment. This pick is the only reason I'd let Walter walk via FA, but look at the top 3 WRs. AJ, Dez, and JJ. Then you've got to consider a healthy OD into the mix. In the secondary who are you going to cover? And with who? You obviously can't stack the box now and you've always got to be aware that either of those 4 can break a big play.

If we can keep the same level of defensive play I think we'd be a tough team to beat because our offense could set the game's pace. Force opposing offenses to keep up and in the mean time with a healthy Mario back, Smith's motor and Barwin's speed all being able to pin their ears back and go after the QB. Don't forget Cushing can come on a blitz as well.

If Dez Bryant is there and Earl Thomas is not my thought will be "Please, pretty please some team that needs a WR please trade up." :runaway:

Ole Miss Texan 01-19-2010 05:00 PM

Re: Possible 1st round draft picks for the Texans.
 
Dez Bryant reminds me of a more polished Jacoby Jones. While I think it'd be awesome to have him on the offense, I think by re-signing Walter you save yourself a draft pick (a 1st rounder at that).

However, if we've got him rated as a Top 10 / elite calibre type of player and the other players on the board aren't rated near as high... then I'm not going to argue with the selection.

playa465 01-19-2010 05:57 PM

Re: Possible 1st round draft picks for the Texans.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by badboy (Post 1351336)
He did just last season with Duane Brown so the history is there.

True the facts speak for itself... however I bet if Salaam hadn't had knee issues and the arthroscopic surgery, Brown would have been brought along slowly...at that time Kubiak HAD to start Brown.

b0ng 01-19-2010 06:21 PM

Re: Possible 1st round draft picks for the Texans.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by playa465 (Post 1351465)
True the facts speak for itself... however I bet if Salaam hadn't had knee issues and the arthroscopic surgery, Brown would have been brought along slowly...at that time Kubiak HAD to start Brown.

Well you can guess and surmise but in the end, there has not been a 1st round pick that didn't start in week 1 under Kubiak. So if we go OL in the first my guess is that they feel the player will be good enough to supplant a current starter and take over.

I haven't really seen that in any of the OL outside of Iupati (Which I still think would have to have a long battle with Pitts, Briesel and Caldwell to get snaps.), but I can always be surprised.

Wolf6151 01-19-2010 06:31 PM

Re: Possible 1st round draft picks for the Texans.
 
I like Dez Bryant, I think he would be a wonderful weapon to add to the offense but I also see him as a luxury pick that we just can't afford right now. We've got holes on the O-line and secondary that need to be filled first.

Someone mentioned Jahvid Best as a possible 1st round pick. I like his running style and either he or Spiller would be perfect for our one cut and go system. If we traded down in the 1st then I wouldn't mind him late in the 1st.

beerlover 01-20-2010 12:08 AM

Re: Possible 1st round draft picks for the Texans.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Wolf6151 (Post 1351494)
I like Dez Bryant, I think he would be a wonderful weapon to add to the offense but I also see him as a luxury pick that we just can't afford right now. We've got holes on the O-line and secondary that need to be filled first.

Someone mentioned Jahvid Best as a possible 1st round pick. I like his running style and either he or Spiller would be perfect for our one cut and go system. If we traded down in the 1st then I wouldn't mind him late in the 1st.

there is no such thing as a luxury pick if that said person improves a position on the team, that's an upgrade which is what it's all about :specnatz:


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