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pittbull 06-07-2004 07:14 AM

who likes the switch?
 
With Wong moving to the right side of the defense, who thinks this is going to be a bigger advantage for the Texans? I was actually hoping to see Peek on the right side, Babin on the left, moving Wong on the inside to play along Sharper. Wong has a Ray Lewis type motor, just not his capabilities on the field. I think with Wong going to the right side, we still have to wonder about the pass rush. Historically, the left side of the 3-4 plays the run and pass defense, while the right side is more of a run stopper and pass rusher. Wong hasn't shown great production at getting to the passer in his opportunities, but maybe Fangio knows something we don't. Who knows.....Any thoughts?

Vinny 06-07-2004 08:23 AM

Nobody has shown that they can handle the edge full time on this roster except Wong. Peek sure hasn't to date. I think Peek may end up as a starter there eventually, but if we start Peek and Babins on the edges expect a long season unless Peek has improved TREMENDOUSLY. I'm not sure he would be ready for the full-time rolb.

TheOgre 06-07-2004 08:40 AM

If Peek progresses this season, I think you will see Wong replace Foreman next season. I think Vinny is right though. The Texans do not want to start a rookie and a first time starter at our two OLB positions in the same season.

El Tejano 06-07-2004 08:58 AM

In Wong's defense, his first year with us he was moving to a brand new position in a totally new defensive scheme. Last year he played with alot of unprooven talent in fron of him and not Gary Walker in front or along side of him. This year he will have Robaire Smith that the offense will have to account for and I just believe he won't be covering as much as blitzing so we may see him flourish now that he has the hang of the system pretty much.

Babin, I am a little nervous about him being a rookie making a transition and all but it seems he has speed to keep up with the TE and RBs coming out of the backfield so he might work.

infantrycak 06-07-2004 10:20 AM

Wong didn't get many sacks last year but he got a bunch of QB hurries. The DL being decimated last year didn't help that at all--hopefully with a healthy DL more of the QB hurries will be sacks for all the LB's this year.

J-Man 06-07-2004 11:04 AM

I think that one of Wong's strengths is his versatility at the position. He is a solid starter at either OLB or ILB...but does not excell at either. I think that his play will be elevated this season due to a much better group of players around him. As for Peek...yeah, I keep hearing all the talk about him being a physical specimen and all that, but I haven't seen him preform on the field up to the talk yet. I'm sure we will take a long hard look at him this preseason and I hope that he works out, but if he doesn't then that's just how it goes.

Mistril48 06-07-2004 11:14 AM

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Originally Posted by J-Man
I think that one of Wong's strengths is his versatility at the position. He is a solid starter at either OLB or ILB...but does not excell at either. I think that his play will be elevated this season due to a much better group of players around him.

I agree wholeheartly with J-man. Wong will be very valuable BECAUSE of his versatility. To enhance that versatility, he will open camp at ROLB. Working at LOLB won't help him. I don't think we know yet how he will be used and early practice will only tip the Texans hand so much.

After what happened to the offensive line year 1 and then defense year 2, it will be great to have WOng covering all the linebacker positions.

A Texan 06-07-2004 03:06 PM

As productive as Jay Foreman has been the last 2 years, I can't see anybody replacing him anytime soon.

J-Man 06-07-2004 03:25 PM

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Originally Posted by A Texan
As productive as Jay Foreman has been the last 2 years, I can't see anybody replacing him anytime soon.

Honestly I have been thinking that since I started checking out the boards and saw everyone calling for Foreman to be benched in favor of any number candidates. I don't think Foreman is that bad at all...his numbers are solid, his is a quiet preformer that turns in steady blue collar production pretty much every week.

Why do 75% of the fans seem to be calling for his head?

Vinny 06-07-2004 03:27 PM

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Originally Posted by A Texan
As productive as Jay Foreman has been the last 2 years, I can't see anybody replacing him anytime soon.

Ugh, I am no Jay Foreman fan. Tackle stats mean nothing to me when most of your stops are 5 yards down field. Inside linebackers are supposed to make at or around or over 100 tackles in our system since most of everything is funneled to them. He rarely makes plays at the line of scrimmage or behind the LOS. He is a solid NFL reserve but a very low-end starter in my eyes.

J-Man 06-07-2004 03:37 PM

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Originally Posted by __V__
Ugh, I am no Jay Foreman fan. Tackle stats mean nothing to me when most of your stops are 5 yards down field. Inside linebackers are supposed to make at or around or over 100 tackles in our system since most of everything is funneled to them. He rarely makes plays at the line of scrimmage or behind the LOS. He is a solid NFL reserve but a very low-end starter in my eyes.

You make some good points, let me put this out there though...it's tough for any NFL linebacker to make plays while he has 300lb O-line guys hammering him, not to mention the fact that there were several times when our D-line was about as effective as crash test dummies.

I am not saying that he is a top notch LB or that he is even better than average. I simply think he is average and not as bad as many folks think. Just remember average is exactly that...for every Urlacher there is an EJ Hendersen (as noted in your thread on the Vikes).

Fiddy 06-07-2004 04:37 PM

Wouldnt mind seeing a little of Babin-Sharper-Wong-Peek.

I agree with V that the tackle stats dont mean anything, but Foreman, if not great, has been steady.

Shotgun30 06-07-2004 04:46 PM

And Wong, who has trouble getting to the QB, is going to do a better job in the middle. Give me break here.

Fiddy 06-07-2004 05:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Shotgun30
And Wong, who has trouble getting to the QB..

That is a misconception, Wong might not have the sack number you would like, but he gets a lot of hurries.

Can anybody get his stats for QB pressure???

Shotgun30 06-07-2004 05:43 PM

I am not saying I don't like Wong.....but i like foreman too.....And the funny thing is everyone likes Babin, but we have not seen him play in pro game yet.....this year the LB's will be babin or peek-sharper-foreman-wong

Vinny 06-07-2004 05:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Shotgun30
I am not saying I don't like Wong.....but i like foreman too.....And the funny thing is everyone likes Babin, but we have not seen him play in pro game yet.....this year the LB's will be babin or peek-sharper-foreman-wong

Actually, Peek is battling Wong for the LB slot on the right side. It will be Babin Sharper Foreman or Wong/Peek. Everyone likes Babin because first round picks should be impact guys. We are all ready for an impact edge rusher. We really have not had one ever.

PHAROAH 06-07-2004 06:43 PM

Sign Gildon none of those guys are proven he can show them how it's done.

Fiddy 06-07-2004 06:53 PM

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Originally Posted by PHAROAH
Sign Gildon none of those guys are proven he can show them how it's done.

and Gildon is at the end of his career, I dont see why you would want to sign a guy that has little left in the tank as a pass rusher.

DominatorDavis 06-07-2004 07:03 PM

I thought that Jeff Pose did a pretty good job in year 1 but he didn't stick around long enough to let the team grow. I think that we drafted Peek because we lost Pose to Buffalo. That being said, 8 sacks is not a great number of sacks for an ouside pass rusher in our system either. But the team was hurt when we lost him and like -V- said we have not recovered as of yet. The truth is Casserly knew that we needed a guy to groom this year to produce from the outside. I like the idea of the Babin pick. If he puts the hammer down from the outside I think that everyone will like him. He certainly has impressed people with his quickness.

Not to get off the subject, but during football offseasons I used to wrestle in highschool. And not to bragg in any way but - I was a good strong quick athlete. I remember wrestling the guy who ended up being the state champion for my weight division (202 lbs.). He was so lightning fast I felt like I was moving in slow motion. I was overwhelmed. Those state wrestling champion guys like JB are no joke and I dont know how competitive wrestling is in Michigan but if it is just half as competitive as the east coast is, then we have drafted a truely gifted athlete. But how well of a player that Babin will be is another story all together.

Anyway, if you need a guy for the outside, and you want to address it this year, and you had the options that CC had to work with, it is a good idea to get the guy you want now while you have extra latter picks in that same draft. It wasn't something where I said to myself "Awesome! We just gave up a 2nd, 3rd, 4th, and switched 5ths - for another 1st!" Or anything like that. But in retrospect, in looking at what they did with the rest of the draft, I feel pretty good about it. If I did know better I'd be heading up the draft in April.

But they want Pose production or better no doubt and I certainly hope that Babin can provide that.

infantrycak 06-07-2004 07:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Fiddy
Can anybody get his stats for QB pressure???

From Wong's profile on the Texans web-site:

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led team with 26 quarterback pressures…


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