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beerlover 01-11-2010 11:15 AM

Beerlover 2010 Pre-Senior Bowl Mock Draft
 
#1 St. Louis - Ndamukong Suh, DT Nebraska

#2 Detroit - u-Gerald McCoy, DT Oklahoma

#3 Tampa Bay - u-Eric Berry, DB Tennessee

#4 Washington - u-Sam Bradford, QB Oklahoma

#5 Kansas City - u-Anthony Davis, OT Rutgers

#6 Seattle - u-Jimmy Clausen, QB Notre Dame

#7 Cleveland - u-Joe Haden, CB Florida

#8 Oakland - u-Derrick Morgan, DE/OLB Gerogia Tech

#9 Buffalo - Russell Okung, OT Oklahoma State

#10 Jacksonville - u-Rolando McClain, LB Alabama

#11 Denver (from Chicago) - u-Dez Bryant, WR Oklahoma State

#12 Miami - u-Golden Tate, WR Notre Dame

#13 San Francisco - u-Earl Thomas, DB Texas

#14 Seattle - Charles Brown, OT USC

#15 New York Giants - Brandon Spikes, LB Florida

#16 San Franciso - Trent Williams, OT Oklahoma

#17 Tennessee - Dan Williams, DT Tennessee

#18 Pittsburgh - u-Bryan Bulaga, OT Iowa

#19 Atlanta - u-Carlos Dunlap, DE Florida

#20 Houston - C.J.Spiller, RB Clemson

#21 Cincinnati - Taylor Mays, DB USC

#22 New England - u-Bruce Campbell, OT Maryland

#23 Green Bay - Mike Iupati, OG Utah

#24 Philadelphia - u-Everson Griffith, RDE USC

#25 Baltimore - Jermaine Gresham, TE Oklahoma

#26 Arizona - Javier Arenas, DB/KR Alabama

#27 New York Jets - u-Damian Wiliams, WR USC

#28 Dallas - Terrence Cody, NT Alabama

#29 Minnesota - u-Donovan Warren, CB Michigan

#30 San Diego - u-Ryan Mathews, RB Fresno State

#31 New Orleans - Corey Wootton, DE Northwestern

#32 Indianapolis - u-Brian Price, DT UCLA


* u- denotes underclassman

badboy 01-11-2010 11:31 AM

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Looks like you are thinking Slaton may not heal 100%? I am ok with this pick but you better pick up a power back later. Joiqe Bell?

beerlover 01-11-2010 11:54 AM

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Originally Posted by badboy (Post 1346459)
Looks like you are thinking Slaton may not heal 100%? I am ok with this pick but you better pick up a power back later. Joiqe Bell?

there are three quality RB's @ the top, well maybe four if you consider Jonathan Dwyer? they are Ryan Mathews, Fresno State 5-11 220, Toby Gerhart, 6-1 235 & CJ Spiller 5-11 195. In my ratings Spiller is the clear #1 RB in this class, hence should be the 1st RB off the board.

studying Ryan who was my personel favorite I discoverd his teammate Senior Lonyae Miller, 5-11 215, very impressed with him & did not get the exposure because Ryan got the majority of reps. The Texans have two 6th rd. picks so I would use one of those on him thus giving you a RB by committee of Spiller, Slaton, Foster, Moats, Miller.

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“The ovation that C.J. Spiller received was very special. I can’t remember going to a graduation anywhere and seeing the Board of Trustees recognize a student-athlete like that. It certainly shows the level of respect C.J. has on this campus. It is well deserved.”

Spiller has already graduated (Dec. 17th) seems as solid off the field as on. A characteristic not lost with the Texans organization principles.

JWarren14 01-11-2010 12:10 PM

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CJ Spiller FTW!

Helps the RB situation and gives us a KR/PR with explosive play ability.

Like the pick.

badboy 01-11-2010 12:15 PM

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Originally Posted by beerlover (Post 1346468)
there are three quality RB's @ the top, well maybe four if you consider Jonathan Dwyer? they are Ryan Mathews, Fresno State 5-11 220, Toby Gerhart, 6-1 235 & CJ Spiller 5-11 195. In my ratings Spiller is the clear #1 RB in this class, hence should be the 1st RB off the board.

studying Ryan who was my personel favorite I discoverd his teammate Senior Lonyae Miller, 5-11 215, very impressed with him & did not get the exposure because Ryan got the majority of reps. The Texans have two 6th rd. picks so I would use one of those on him thus giving you a RB by committee of Spiller, Slaton, Foster, Moats, Miller.

Spiller has already graduated (Dec. 17th) seems as solid off the field as on. A characteristic not lost with the Texans organization principles.

I don't think 215 qualifies for power back imo. Maybe if he can add 10 lbs or so of muscle? One of those 5 has to go to PS and unless Miller explodes on the scene...

A bigger line should help in red zone but I want a big boy ploughing in.

infantrycak 01-11-2010 12:21 PM

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Originally Posted by badboy (Post 1346480)
I don't think 215 qualifies for power back imo.

Emmitt Smith, Walter Peyton, LT, Priest Holmes and Terrell Davis disagree. Unless the definition of power back is a circular one of big back then lots of the best short yardage and interior runners have been under 215 lbs.

Honoring Earl 34 01-11-2010 12:23 PM

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Originally Posted by infantrycak (Post 1346484)
Emmitt Smith, Walter Peyton, LT, Priest Holmes and Terrell Davis disagree.

I thought Ray Rice looked good .

beerlover 01-11-2010 12:33 PM

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Originally Posted by badboy (Post 1346480)
I don't think 215 qualifies for power back imo. Maybe if he can add 10 lbs or so of muscle? One of those 5 has to go to PS and unless Miller explodes on the scene...

A bigger line should help in red zone but I want a big boy ploughing in.

ZBS power back is someone w/quick, explosive first step who he can hit holes before a defense can react.

infantrycak 01-11-2010 12:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Honoring Earl 34 (Post 1346485)
I thought Ray Rice looked good .

As does MJD.

badboy 01-11-2010 12:51 PM

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Originally Posted by infantrycak (Post 1346484)
Emmitt Smith, Walter Peyton, LT, Priest Holmes and Terrell Davis disagree. Unless the definition of power back is a circular one of big back then lots of the best short yardage and interior runners have been under 215 lbs.

I think the backs you named had better Olines but I could be wrong. There are always exceptions but I say go with a bigger back in our situation. Of course I was wrong on having to have a huge DT to shut down the run.

badboy 01-11-2010 12:52 PM

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Originally Posted by beerlover (Post 1346494)
ZBS power back is someone w/quick, explosive first step who he can hit holes before a defense can react.

Well Slaton and Moats are all we need then.

Ole Miss Texan 01-11-2010 12:53 PM

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Good job as usual beerlover.

I like the the Clausen/Brown picks to Seattle... especially with Carroll signing.

Spiller is an interesting choice. I don't buy into the whole "Kubiak will never draft a RB or OL in the 1st round mentality". Not my favorite pick for us but I understand it. He's a playmaker and would really help out our run game.

Interesting having Arenas in the 1st round. I'm not sure if he's ever going to be a starting corner in the league though. I can see him doing well in nickle packages and obviously return duties. Not sure if his return skills boosts him all the way into the 1st.... not a bad pick if he sees the field enough on defense. He can definitely change the momentum in a game.

And I totally see Golden Tate getting interest from teams in the 1st.

beerlover 01-11-2010 01:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Ole Miss Texan (Post 1346518)
Good job as usual beerlover.

I like the the Clausen/Brown picks to Seattle... especially with Carroll signing.

Spiller is an interesting choice. I don't buy into the whole "Kubiak will never draft a RB or OL in the 1st round mentality". Not my favorite pick for us but I understand it. He's a playmaker and would really help out our run game.

Interesting having Arenas in the 1st round. I'm not sure if he's ever going to be a starting corner in the league though. I can see him doing well in nickle packages and obviously return duties. Not sure if his return skills boosts him all the way into the 1st.... not a bad pick if he sees the field enough on defense. He can definitely change the momentum in a game.

And I totally see Golden Tate getting interest from teams in the 1st.

Arenas has been ascending up my draft board for weeks, culminating off his BCS outstanding playmaking game (2 INT's). I recognize nobody has him this high in the country, but I could see him going even higher to Philadelphia #24 because short of Asante Samuel, 5-10 Sheldon Brown is not getting it done.

Javier is ready for the NFL both physically & mentally. he is a power-pack of intensity, he will be an impact player as a rookie, more complete coming out than Buffalo 2nd rd. pick from Oregon converted CB to FS Jarius Byrd who was outstanding & lone bright spot for Buffalo.

Ole Miss I know you'll appreciate this, I have the same sure feeling about him as I did about Patrick Willis :evil:

beerlover 01-11-2010 01:15 PM

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Originally Posted by badboy (Post 1346517)
Well Slaton and Moats are all we need then.

Slaton did as a rookie, he was lighter in fact & more explosive :pop:

HOU-TEX 01-11-2010 01:18 PM

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If history's any indication, I doubt we'll be looking at RB until round 3. Personally, I think we'll be looking at a player in the trenches and/or a DB in the first 2 rounds.

beerlover 01-11-2010 01:24 PM

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I really tried to go BPA with every pick fully expecting several of these prospects to rise up boards in the next four months, who knows for sure? the fact the Texans wound up taking the 1st RB off the board was #1 BPA & #2 Need, it just fell into place that way I had no agenda to select C.J. Spiller for the Texans. If truth be told I wanted Charles Brown, who is a converted TE, obvious athletic with elite measureables to play LT but with Carrol heading to Seattle & their need to take a QB & OT to protect him I could not in all fairness project him to be available @ #20 :chef:

badboy 01-11-2010 01:31 PM

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Originally Posted by beerlover (Post 1346539)
Slaton did as a rookie, he was lighter in fact & more explosive :pop:

Oh.. how many TDs from Red Zone or first and short did he get up the middle?:chickendance:

JB 01-11-2010 01:38 PM

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What do you guys think of Ben Tate? Should be available in the 3rd or 4th.

infantrycak 01-11-2010 01:39 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by badboy (Post 1346516)
I think the backs you named had better Olines but I could be wrong. There are always exceptions but I say go with a bigger back in our situation. Of course I was wrong on having to have a huge DT to shut down the run.

Over the course of NFL history the big back theory has largely been proven wrong. If you are looking for short yardage you need a RB with vision and an ability to make short space corrections. If all you needed was size teams would be running their FBs in short yardage situations. Instead there are guys like Emmitt who yes had a great OL but took full advantage of it on his own fantastic vision and his short space ability to turn a body or shoulder tackle into an arm tackle and then run through it or to reach out and grab an arm and redirect it as he ran past. There's a reason the single season TD records haven't been held by big RBs. Only 2 of the top 10 are over 225 lbs and none over 230 lbs. I use Emmitt as the primary example because he was never a CJ scoring off speed. Emmitt was a power RB who ran right up the gut and played at his heaviest at 215 lbs.

Goldensilence 01-11-2010 01:43 PM

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Originally Posted by badboy (Post 1346552)
Oh.. how many TDs from Red Zone or first and short did he get up the middle?:chickendance:

IMO that's just as much on playcalling. When you've got a guy with the speed Slaton has why not have him try and make the corner on a toss or stretch play?

Icak did a great job of pointing out that some of the best goal line backs aren't the ones that weigh 2 tons.

To me a power running game is more on the OL then it is on the size of a back.


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