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texdawg 01-09-2010 11:01 AM

Outsider Mock
 
I've been around your MB for a while and thought I would share some ideas about the upcoming draft. I watch all Texans games and read most of the threads, especially related to the draft and NFL topics. By no means am I trying to portray myself as some sort of draft guru. I'm just a guy who wants to bounce some ideas around and get some feedback on what I percieve as needs for the Texans.

Some thoughts on the draft:

1. OG Mike Iupati Idaho 6'5 330lbs. Nibble enough to play OT and big enough to be a force in the red zone. Probably BPA @20 and really could be a fixture for the next 10 yrs.

2. CB Brandon Ghee Wake Forest 6'1 190lbs. This is a good spot to pick a premire CB and the Texans could have a choice between Perrish Cox, Patrick Robinson, and Javier Arenas. Fills another area of need with a quality pick.

3. DT Lamar Houston Texas 6'2 300lbs. Great motor, good rotation guy for interior DL. May not make it this far, but if he is there, good value. Besides, his last name is Houston, how cool is that.

4. RB Charles Scott LSU 5'11 228lbs. Nice bigger back to help get those short yards. Should work fine with Slayton for a change of pace back.

5a. TE Colin Peek Alabama 6'6 255lbs. Lunch pail guy who is adequate blocker with good hands. Not one to stretch a field but good at finding soft spots.

5b. S Josh Pinkard USC 6'1 215lbs. The "other" S from USC. Would loved to have picked a S earlier, but just couldn't make it work. This kid can play, he'll stick.

6. OG Brandon Carter Texas Tech 6'7 370lbs. I know this kids a head case, but come on, maybe a little crazy is good sometimes. Every team needs a roadgrader.

7. K Aaron Pettrey Ohio State -- Usually drafting a kicker at all is a waste. This kid has a big leg and can kick in the cold weather. Somebody will draft this kid. Saves begging in FA.


We all have different ideas, just thought I'd share mine.

Thoughts?

dc_txtech 01-09-2010 11:23 AM

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No more TE's and if we are running the ZBS next year then I seriously doubt if Carter is on our board. Other than that I like the picks.

mussop 01-09-2010 01:58 PM

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Originally Posted by dc_txtech (Post 1345315)
No more TE's and if we are running the ZBS next year then I seriously doubt if Carter is on our board. Other than that I like the picks.

I agree about Carter. He is just not the right fit for this scheme. Personally I would love a power running scheme but it aint happenin. I dissagree about TE. If you can get a really good TE late in the dtaft its good value why not. I would love to have Peek or Pita for the right price.

rickyb 01-09-2010 02:53 PM

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Originally Posted by texdawg (Post 1345308)
I've been around your MB for a while and thought I would share some ideas about the upcoming draft. I watch all Texans games and read most of the threads, especially related to the draft and NFL topics. By no means am I trying to portray myself as some sort of draft guru. I'm just a guy who wants to bounce some ideas around and get some feedback on what I percieve as needs for the Texans.

Some thoughts on the draft:

1. OG Mike Iupati Idaho 6'5 330lbs. Nibble enough to play OT and big enough to be a force in the red zone. Probably BPA @20 and really could be a fixture for the next 10 yrs.

2. CB Brandon Ghee Wake Forest 6'1 190lbs. This is a good spot to pick a premire CB and the Texans could have a choice between Perrish Cox, Patrick Robinson, and Javier Arenas. Fills another area of need with a quality pick.

3. DT Lamar Houston Texas 6'2 300lbs. Great motor, good rotation guy for interior DL. May not make it this far, but if he is there, good value. Besides, his last name is Houston, how cool is that.

4. RB Charles Scott LSU 5'11 228lbs. Nice bigger back to help get those short yards. Should work fine with Slayton for a change of pace back.

5a. TE Colin Peek Alabama 6'6 255lbs. Lunch pail guy who is adequate blocker with good hands. Not one to stretch a field but good at finding soft spots.

5b. S Josh Pinkard USC 6'1 215lbs. The "other" S from USC. Would loved to have picked a S earlier, but just couldn't make it work. This kid can play, he'll stick.

6. OG Brandon Carter Texas Tech 6'7 370lbs. I know this kids a head case, but come on, maybe a little crazy is good sometimes. Every team needs a roadgrader.

7. K Aaron Pettrey Ohio State -- Usually drafting a kicker at all is a waste. This kid has a big leg and can kick in the cold weather. Somebody will draft this kid. Saves begging in FA.


We all have different ideas, just thought I'd share mine.

Thoughts?

I like your first 3 selections, but worry that Lamar Houston might not be there when we pick in 3rd. I'd only add that I am glad I am not the GM, because I would have a heck of a time trying to decide between BPA and position of need at 1.20. If Dez Bryant is there, the whole draft goes amuck if Texans spend a 1st at WR.

Supposedly, this is one of the strongest drafts at CB, so I really like pushing that back to 2nd round.

Rick

Honoring Earl 34 01-09-2010 04:40 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by texdawg (Post 1345308)
I've been around your MB for a while and thought I would share some ideas about the upcoming draft. I watch all Texans games and read most of the threads, especially related to the draft and NFL topics. By no means am I trying to portray myself as some sort of draft guru. I'm just a guy who wants to bounce some ideas around and get some feedback on what I percieve as needs for the Texans.

Some thoughts on the draft:

1. OG Mike Iupati Idaho 6'5 330lbs. Nibble enough to play OT and big enough to be a force in the red zone. Probably BPA @20 and really could be a fixture for the next 10 yrs.

2. CB Brandon Ghee Wake Forest 6'1 190lbs. This is a good spot to pick a premire CB and the Texans could have a choice between Perrish Cox, Patrick Robinson, and Javier Arenas. Fills another area of need with a quality pick.

3. DT Lamar Houston Texas 6'2 300lbs. Great motor, good rotation guy for interior DL. May not make it this far, but if he is there, good value. Besides, his last name is Houston, how cool is that.

4. RB Charles Scott LSU 5'11 228lbs. Nice bigger back to help get those short yards. Should work fine with Slayton for a change of pace back.

5a. TE Colin Peek Alabama 6'6 255lbs. Lunch pail guy who is adequate blocker with good hands. Not one to stretch a field but good at finding soft spots.

5b. S Josh Pinkard USC 6'1 215lbs. The "other" S from USC. Would loved to have picked a S earlier, but just couldn't make it work. This kid can play, he'll stick.

6. OG Brandon Carter Texas Tech 6'7 370lbs. I know this kids a head case, but come on, maybe a little crazy is good sometimes. Every team needs a roadgrader.

7. K Aaron Pettrey Ohio State -- Usually drafting a kicker at all is a waste. This kid has a big leg and can kick in the cold weather. Somebody will draft this kid. Saves begging in FA.


We all have different ideas, just thought I'd share mine.

Thoughts?

I like it except for 5A and 6 .

5A ... bpa .

How about Christian Ponder or Levi Brown with 6 .

thunderkyss 01-09-2010 05:32 PM

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Originally Posted by texdawg (Post 1345308)

4. RB Charles Scott LSU 5'11 228lbs. Nice bigger back to help get those short yards. Should work fine with Slayton for a change of pace back.

Thoughts?

I'm not really a draft guy, since I don't watch College football. Right now, I would be happy with whatever the Texans do, so long as it makes sense to the people I know, who do watch college football. The most knowledgable just happen to be the guys here on this forum.

But early in this draft, 1st round, 2nd round, even the third, I want a big back. 5'9" to 6'3"... 210 to 240 lbs. with good to great speed.

texdawg 01-09-2010 05:54 PM

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Thanks for the feedback. Here is my reasoning for the 2 picks 5a and 6.


5a Colin Peek TE.

Isn't OD up for a new contract? That was part of the reasoning behind Colin Peek @ 5a. Hopefully, his injury is fine and the Texans will give him a new contract. Managment may want a fall back just in case. I would.

6 Brandon Carter OG.

On the surface it seems redundant to draft an OG (Iupatio) in the first and turn around here and pick up another. My logic was to add inexpensive depth with the option for a "jumbo" type short yardage package. Durring the last few weeks of the season the Browns started using a zone blocking scheme and bringing in Hank Fraley (OC) to the TE position and really opening holes. I was screaming at the TV all season for some sort of smash mouth short yardage scheme for the Texans.


As for drafting a QB (Ponder or Brown), I never really explored that option. Might not be a bad idea at all. I guess Grossman is a FA. Brown may very well go undrafted. Would rather see an older experienced backup like Kitna for example.

One more note to consider: I'm not positive, but I think Jerome Harrison (RB Browns) may be up for FA this year. If the Browns screw up and do not re-sign him, I would love to see him play for the Texans. You guys would love him.

beerlover 01-09-2010 06:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Honoring Earl 34 (Post 1345461)
I like it except for 5A and 6 .

5A ... bpa .

such a :joker: guess it just went over your head he's giving the Texans a 5th for Travis Johnson :showtime:

beerlover 01-09-2010 06:20 PM

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Originally Posted by texdawg (Post 1345492)
Thanks for the feedback. Here is my reasoning for the 2 picks 5a and 6.


5a Colin Peek TE.

Isn't OD up for a new contract? That was part of the reasoning behind Colin Peek @ 5a. Hopefully, his injury is fine and the Texans will give him a new contract. Managment may want a fall back just in case. I would.

6 Brandon Carter OG.

On the surface it seems redundant to draft an OG (Iupatio) in the first and turn around here and pick up another. My logic was to add inexpensive depth with the option for a "jumbo" type short yardage package. Durring the last few weeks of the season the Browns started using a zone blocking scheme and bringing in Hank Fraley (OC) to the TE position and really opening holes. I was screaming at the TV all season for some sort of smash mouth short yardage scheme for the Texans.


As for drafting a QB (Ponder or Brown), I never really explored that option. Might not be a bad idea at all. I guess Grossman is a FA. Brown may very well go undrafted. Would rather see an older experienced backup like Kitna for example.

One more note to consider: I'm not positive, but I think Jerome Harrison (RB Browns) may be up for FA this year. If the Browns screw up and do not re-sign him, I would love to see him play for the Texans. You guys would love him.

I think you did an outstanding job, sound like an insider to me :spy:

Honoring Earl 34 01-09-2010 06:47 PM

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Originally Posted by beerlover (Post 1345502)
such a :joker: guess it just went over your head he's giving the Texans a 5th for Travis Johnson :showtime:

Only thing that made an impression on me was another TE .

beerlover 01-09-2010 09:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Honoring Earl 34 (Post 1345513)
Only thing that made an impression on me was another TE .

another TE who can play. I'm not writing off Hill but his rookie year, cut off by constant injurys in a time of need was disturbing, at least to me. I'm more worried about him going forward than the Texans resigning Owen Daniels.

Colin Peek is a hidden gem on that Alabama offense. His main job is sealing off the edge, creating running lanes for Ingram & Richardson but he has above average hands, has been well coached & plays smart. I would take him, let him come into training camp & earn a roster spot if not hide him on practice squad in case of more injurys.

Honoring Earl 34 01-09-2010 09:18 PM

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Originally Posted by beerlover (Post 1345589)
another TE who can play. I'm not writing off Hill but his rookie year, cut off by constant injurys in a time of need was disturbing, at least to me. I'm more worried about him going forward than the Texans resigning Owen Daniels.

Colin Peek is a hidden gem on that Alabama offense. His main job is sealing off the edge, creating running lanes for Ingram & Richardson but he has above average hands, has been well coached & plays smart. I would take him, let him come into training camp & earn a roster spot if not hide him on practice squad in case of more injurys.

If they take a TE , then it means Owen is gone . If they take a TE who is the mauler type , then I can see Casey sliding to Owen spot and Hill on the short leash .

I like players that come from winners . It also doesn't hurt that they come strong conferences .

beerlover 01-09-2010 10:34 PM

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Originally Posted by texdawg (Post 1345308)
1. OG Mike Iupati Idaho 6'5 330lbs. Nibble enough to play OT and big enough to be a force in the red zone. Probably BPA @20 and really could be a fixture for the next 10 yrs.

2. CB Brandon Ghee Wake Forest 6'1 190lbs. This is a good spot to pick a premire CB and the Texans could have a choice between Perrish Cox, Patrick Robinson, and Javier Arenas. Fills another area of need with a quality pick.

3. DT Lamar Houston Texas 6'2 300lbs. Great motor, good rotation guy for interior DL. May not make it this far, but if he is there, good value. Besides, his last name is Houston, how cool is that.

4. RB Charles Scott LSU 5'11 228lbs. Nice bigger back to help get those short yards. Should work fine with Slayton for a change of pace back.

5a. TE Colin Peek Alabama 6'6 255lbs. Lunch pail guy who is adequate blocker with good hands. Not one to stretch a field but good at finding soft spots.

5b. S Josh Pinkard USC 6'1 215lbs. The "other" S from USC. Would loved to have picked a S earlier, but just couldn't make it work. This kid can play, he'll stick.

6. OG Brandon Carter Texas Tech 6'7 370lbs. I know this kids a head case, but come on, maybe a little crazy is good sometimes. Every team needs a roadgrader.

7. K Aaron Pettrey Ohio State -- Usually drafting a kicker at all is a waste. This kid has a big leg and can kick in the cold weather. Somebody will draft this kid. Saves begging in FA.


We all have different ideas, just thought I'd share mine.

Thoughts?

I guess you know by now I really like your mock, so I wanted to add some constructive feedback.

1. OG Mike Iupati Idaho 6'5 330lbs is a name several of us are really high on, the one problem facing this selection is with all the underclassman declaring early this suddenly became talent layden rich, meaning while not far off BPA there will be another player available who is above him on the Texans board, I'm sure of it.

2. CB Brandon Ghee Wake Forest 6'1 190lbs I could live with this pick, but feel he represents what the Texans drafted in 4th rd. Glover Quinn. If the Texans go CB they need a ballhawk, run support is nice but covered & Ghee recorded zero INT's in 09. maybe a small school CB in rd. 3/4 like Akwasi Owusu-Ansah, Indiana.

3. DT Lamar Houston Texas 6'2 300lbs Like this pick, Texans do like athletic, quick one-gap tackles.

4. RB Charles Scott LSU 5'11 228lbs Too early, maybe if the Texans do get a 5th rd. pick I would use one here on him to address power back role.

5a. TE Colin Peek Alabama 6'6 255lbs Sharp eye, would be a great pick but would mean the Texans are giving up on Hill not OD. I've seen teams cut their loses after one year & be decisive but nothing we've seen on the field suggests such sense of urgency, although I agree.

5b. S Josh Pinkard USC 6'1 215lbs another really good pick-up has talent to play in the secondary in meaningful situations, however we might be able to pick him up undrafted, reason? will be coming back from his 3rd acl

6. OG Brandon Carter Texas Tech 6'7 370lbs man thats a monster. I don't see him fitting in Gibbs ZBS but that would be something.

7. K Aaron Pettrey Ohio State torn mcl not sure about that? going for a kicker in the 7th if they don't address it via free agency.

awtysst 01-09-2010 11:08 PM

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Originally Posted by texdawg (Post 1345492)
6 Brandon Carter OG.

On the surface it seems redundant to draft an OG (Iupatio) in the first and turn around here and pick up another. My logic was to add inexpensive depth with the option for a "jumbo" type short yardage package. Durring the last few weeks of the season the Browns started using a zone blocking scheme and bringing in Hank Fraley (OC) to the TE position and really opening holes. I was screaming at the TV all season for some sort of smash mouth short yardage scheme for the Texans.

I have been working on my mock for the last week and was going to post the exact same thing. I also had us taking Iupati in the first and Cater in the 6th. I even designed a play (based on what I saw Cleveland run on SC) that involved a 6 Olineman formation. I called the play SUPER JUMBO package too!

Looks like I got beat. I am not sure if I will post my mock now since many people will think I copied your idea with my 1st and 6th picks!

beerlover 01-09-2010 11:28 PM

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Originally Posted by awtysst (Post 1345656)
I have been working on my mock for the last week and was going to post the exact same thing. I also had us taking Iupati in the first and Cater in the 6th. I even designed a play (based on what I saw Cleveland run on SC) that involved a 6 Olineman formation. I called the play SUPER JUMBO package too!

Looks like I got beat. I am not sure if I will post my mock now since many people will think I copied your idea with my 1st and 6th picks!

you could make adjustments off feedback :winky:

awtysst 01-10-2010 12:33 AM

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Originally Posted by beerlover (Post 1345665)
you could make adjustments off feedback :winky:

Ok, Beerlover, you twisted my arm!
I will post it in the next few minutes!

texdawg 01-10-2010 05:10 AM

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Has a definate decision been made about whether the Texans extra pick is a 5th or 6th round pick? If its a 6th round pick, then I flubbed up. My intention was to be accurate, just got some bad info.

Also it appears I overstated Brandon Carters weight. I listed it as 370lbs. Other draft sites have him listed as 344lbs. Same site for both errors.

Thanks again for the feedback.

I believe that all of us that participate in mock drafts have a certain inner drive to try to fix things. We all want improvements. Its been educational for me to bounce ideas off you guys, and I really appreciate the feedback.

awtysst 01-10-2010 10:43 AM

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Originally Posted by texdawg (Post 1345754)
Has a definate decision been made about whether the Texans extra pick is a 5th or 6th round pick? If its a 6th round pick, then I flubbed up. My intention was to be accurate, just got some bad info.

Also it appears I overstated Brandon Carters weight. I listed it as 370lbs. Other draft sites have him listed as 344lbs. Same site for both errors.

Thanks again for the feedback.

I believe that all of us that participate in mock drafts have a certain inner drive to try to fix things. We all want improvements. Its been educational for me to bounce ideas off you guys, and I really appreciate the feedback.

Nothing definite has been made about the 5th or 6th round pick. From what i understand it comes down to the amount of snaps TJ played for the chargers. I imagine we wont get a number until the Chargers are out of the playoffs.

Don't worry too much about weight right now. As we all know schools lie about how big the prospects really are to make them seem more intimidating. We will know for sure when Carter goes to his pro day or the combine.

bah007 01-10-2010 04:33 PM

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I've seen Carter play many times and he is overrated to me. He is a fat guy who can't move laterally and gets way too many holding and personal foul penalties. Playing with aggression is one thing but this guy looks like he plays dirty. Just my opinion.

People don't remember him because he is a good player. They remember him because he has cool hair, face paint, and tatoos.

Honoring Earl 34 01-10-2010 05:40 PM

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Originally Posted by bah007 (Post 1345975)
I've seen Carter play many times and he is overrated to me. He is a fat guy who can't move laterally and gets way too many holding and personal foul penalties. Playing with aggression is one thing but this guy looks like he plays dirty. Just my opinion.

People don't remember him because he is a good player. They remember him because he has cool hair, face paint, and tatoos.

Well ... he could sit in the Bullpen .


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