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Hottoddie 02-24-2005 12:13 AM

Bubba Franks could be ours, for the right price
 
Since Green Bay has decided to use the Transition tag on him, we could get him without having to give GB any compensation.

With the Transition Tag, GB retains the right to match any offer he receives.

However, according to Fox Sports.com, GB is approximately $11 million over the projected cap of $85-86 million. Even if they're able to restructure Wahle's contract, they'll still be right at, or above, the projected cap.

If we strike early, like we did with Todd Wade, we might be able to catch GB with their pants down. We might have to pay a little more than we should, but what would a TE like Franks be worth to the Texan's offense?

So, how much are top 10 TE's going for these days? Any thoughts?

GREEN BAY'S CAP STATUS

CAP STATUS: The team is several million dollars over the expected 2005 cap, but some of that has to do with guard Mike Wahle's $11.3 million cap number, which will be addressed before the start of free agency. Once Wahle is dealt with and all the restricted free agents are tendered, the team will be right at the $85 to $86 million cap limit, leaving little room to play in free agency.

MOVING ON: In addition to Wahle, whose free agency is imminent given the $11 million salary written into his contract this year, the club is facing the departure of three other starters: guard Marco Rivera, tight end Bubba Franks and linebacker Hannibal Navies. Wahle and Rivera appear to be an either/or situation. Wahle is younger, more athletic and bound to hit it big on the open market. Rivera is older and more injury prone, but he rarely misses a play, is consistent and was selected to a third straight Pro Bowl this year. Chances are both will be allowed to test the market, and Rivera will eventually be retained. Franks is bound for the open market, but the club will be competitive with its offer once he gets there because it has no replacement. A transition tag is an option if the personnel department doesn't like the free agent and college options. Franks is a vital part of the team's running game and it would have to be assured it could at least replace that part of his game if it let him go. Navies is expendable and probably will only be re-signed at a reasonable price. Linebacker is going to be a priority in the draft, and the club will be looking for a younger, quicker replacement. Of the restricted players, running back Najeh Davenport will receive the most interest, and the club might have to tag him with a first-round tender to make sure he doesn't sign somewhere else. He could be trade bait as well. Run-blocking tackle Kevin Barry could receive interest because if the club assesses him the low tender, he can be signed with no compensation.


ACTION PLAN: New G.M. Ted Thompson is not a big fan of free agency and would just assume save his cap money and then spend it on someone else's players. Don't expect the club to make a big splash in the market. In fact, Thompson probably will be looking to clear cap space for the future and might pass on re-signing some of the players Mike Sherman would have paid big money for in the past. To date, he has made no overtures toward re-signing any of them. His toughest decision will be with Wahle, who is one of the top guards in the league. Thompson comes from the school of thought that you don't pay big money for guards, and so he probably will release Wahle and accept the $11 million cap credit. If Wahle doesn't break the bank in free agency, he could return, but more than likely he'll sign somewhere else. This is a team with a lot of money invested in its starters and very little cap room to maneuver, and it's time to make some tough personnel decisions. In addition to weighing the prospects of keeping Franks, Thompson will probably seek a pay cut from safety Darren Sharper, whose cap number is $8.6 million. If Sharper refuses, he probably will be released, which would create a huge void at the safety position. If Thompson does venture into free agency, it will probably be at the safety, linebacker and guard positions. Anyone he signs would be a low-end free agent able to be a stopgap starter and contributor on special teams. Thompson has to provide new defensive coordinator Jim Bates with some of the players he needs to succeed, but expect the majority of them to come through the draft.

edo783 02-24-2005 08:19 AM

If we offered a 5 year deal at 4 mill/yr and a 5 mill signing bonus, I doubt they could pull together the $$ to over come it. I THINK those $$ are about in line with what a TE of his stature would command. Then if Bennie comes back strong we have a VERY good thing at TE and should be able to move the sticks consistantly down the field by either passing to a WR or TE on 3rd or we should be able to run well. Moving the sticks fits with Dom Capers type of game. Burns clock and moves down the field to get points. Works for me.

Blake 02-24-2005 10:46 AM

I really think it all depends on how they feel about Bennie.

LikeABoss 02-24-2005 12:03 PM

Are they counting on Bennie to come in and start over Breuner and Miller, or do they just expect him to play this season but not start?

Blake 02-24-2005 12:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LikeABoss
Are they counting on Bennie to come in and start over Breuner and Miller, or do they just expect him to play this season but not start?

I would expect him to come in and compete for the starting job.

trutexan67 02-24-2005 05:07 PM

Why would we get another TE, when we have Miller, Bruener, & Joppru. I just don't see it.

BuffSoldier 02-24-2005 05:35 PM

I dont think that wed get a TE that is that age and on the downhill part of his carrer. :thumbdown

wiley2002 02-24-2005 05:40 PM

CC said that he wasn't going to make any big FA deals and I think that Bubba Franks counts as that. I have to agree with BuffSoldier and say that he is on the downside of his career, though, he probably has a couple of years left in him.

AndreJ 02-24-2005 06:31 PM

What do yall think will happen to Bruener? How long is his contract or is it possible that he may be released?

no81 02-26-2005 07:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by trutexan67
Why would we get another TE, when we have Miller, Bruener, & Joppru. I just don't see it.

Let's not forget about Murphy.

dalemurphy 02-26-2005 09:31 AM

Why on earth would we spend $4 million a year for a TE not named Todd Heap, Tony G., or Antonio Gates?

Bubba Franks is defended by a safety or sometimes a LB in the passing game. There are only a very few TEs that aren't liabilities in the running game but require double coverage or sometimes a CB to cover them. Franks is definitely not one of those and $4 million per year is way too much to spend on him.

Texans Pride 02-26-2005 11:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by trutexan67
Why would we get another TE, when we have Miller, Bruener, & Joppru. I just don't see it.


Untill I see Joppru run out of that tunnel, I am not counting on him as one of our TE

gg no re 02-26-2005 12:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dalemurphy
Bubba Franks is defended by a safety or sometimes a LB in the passing game. There are only a very few TEs that aren't liabilities in the running game but require double coverage or sometimes a CB to cover them. Franks is definitely not one of those and $4 million per year is way too much to spend on him.

Notice how whenever the Texans get into the red zone, they find a way to crumple up and get a TO or FG.

The strength behind Franks is that he is a red zone TE. If the Texans were to get him for that reason, it wouldn't be too shabby to see Carr-to-Franks called more often that Brown-for-the-FG.

Let's not forget that the Packers are a power running team that also uses 3WR sets that employs receivers similar to ours, and that Favre is the most reckless QB[not that it's bad, but does make for some awesome plays] to have ever graced the NFL, and we really can't tell if Franks is a passing game liability outside of the red zone.

Let's not forget.... Franks is from the U! The Texans need one of those Miami studs. :heh:

texasguy346 02-26-2005 01:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gg no re
Let's not forget.... Franks is from the U! The Texans need one of those Miami studs. :heh:

Well we've already got one player from the U (AJ), but I'm guessing you meant we need more players from the U.

gg no re 02-26-2005 02:05 PM

Right, I forgot all about Dre.... he is just too quiet!

TexansTrueFan 02-26-2005 04:13 PM

ya know AJs first year he was really quiet, but last year he showed a little spark in his game, i say him handlin some players after the play was over !!!

ThaShark316 03-10-2005 01:44 PM

Texans | Could Pursue Franks - from www.KFFL.com
Thu, 10 Mar 2005 11:38:24 -0800

Tom Silverstein, of the Milwaukee Journal-Sentinel, reports the Houston Texans might be interested in Green Bay Packers transition player TE Bubba Franks, who has yet to make any free agent visits this offseason.

hmmmmm... :hmmm:

heres the story...its @ the bottom of the page...

http://www.jsonline.com/packer/news/mar05/308259.asp

jagualex 03-10-2005 02:43 PM

Any body who doesnt have a better than average tight end could be interested in Franks....

LikeABoss 03-10-2005 03:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ThaShark316
Texans | Could Pursue Franks - from www.KFFL.com
Thu, 10 Mar 2005 11:38:24 -0800

Tom Silverstein, of the Milwaukee Journal-Sentinel, reports the Houston Texans might be interested in Green Bay Packers transition player TE Bubba Franks, who has yet to make any free agent visits this offseason.

hmmmmm... :hmmm:

heres the story...its @ the bottom of the page...

http://www.jsonline.com/packer/news/mar05/308259.asp

Make it happen Cass :thumbup

U4ikrob 03-10-2005 04:02 PM

Franks - IMO he's a major upgrade over anybody we haev currently on the roster at the TE position.

Miller - great hands - but has been lost in the offense the last 2 years
Bruener - Bruising blocker, but the defense looks for run anytime he steps out
Joppru - IMO-Unless he can start almost every game this year- I cut him

Everyone else thats played limited minutes in the TE role has shown no ability to come in and own the position. Until we sign somebody who does - I think the position is open game for anyone. IMHO cant see the staff standing pat with the TE core past this year. Honestly I think we will see new faces and changes in camp this year and next year at TE unless Joppru, Miller or anybody else can turn into the next Sharpe or Tony G.


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