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Dionysus22 02-16-2005 10:24 PM

Just a thought...
 
I'm all for revamping the starting four: Sharper, Wong, Peek, and Babin. On the other hand, I would like to see some freakish sideline to sideline speed. What are ya'lls thoughts of trading Kailee Wong for more picks and drafting Derrick Johnson for ILB? I'm sure we could get a second round, or maybe a few second day picks for Wong. We could really use those picks to beef up the O-line or that fearless, kamakazie type receiver we've been needing. Lets face it, Bradford is not the answer and Gaffney is too fragile. I love Wong like the rest of you and I know he's been one of the back bones of this defense but I'm afraid that we might be holding on to something that will last maybe three more years and passing up what might be the next Ray Lewis for the next ten years. I think we've learned a thing or two from watching those "old guys" with the stars on their helments pass up a pro-bowl type player cause they're trying to hang on to a player that MIGHT one day pay-off. Just a thought.

BuffSoldier 02-16-2005 10:29 PM

I say if DJ is there, definitely take him, but I doubt we trade up for him. People keep saying that this years draft will be a weak one but I bet we wont give up that weak 2nd rounder to move up a few spots a get that LongHorn. DJ to me is the best player in the draft and has the best chance to be a pro-bowl rook.

Dionysus22 02-16-2005 10:37 PM

aaahhhh we can dream though can't we?

TEXANS84 02-16-2005 10:49 PM

For those of you who were on here last year...it reminds me alot of all the "Sean Taylor" talking. :)

Casserly knows what he is doing...and I have full faith in him (Andre, Dunta). If DJ falls to us...definitley take him. But Im sure they'll be others that will make just as big of an impact.

texanfan2002114 02-16-2005 10:54 PM

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Originally Posted by TEXANS84
For those of you who were on here last year...it reminds me alot of all the "Sean Taylor" talking. :)

Casserly knows what he is doing...and I have full faith in him (Andre, Dunta). If DJ falls to us...definitley take him. But Im sure they'll be others that will make just as big of an impact.


But one thing about Sean Taylor is that he is a head case!! Bad in the locker room, where DJ would become the leader on defense after a couple of years!!

If the Texans could trade up without hurting the future to get DJ, I would!!

Dionysus22 02-16-2005 10:58 PM

very good point! Sean was a head-case. DJ would provide leadership and would be, in my opinion, like Michael Vick on defense.

TEXANS84 02-17-2005 12:38 AM

I agree. But we didn't know that about Taylor at the time.

But...I too would like to see the Texans snag DJ. He would be a excellent pickup for the Texans for the future. I just believe that wide-reciever/cornerback should be addressed first. AG will be 33. Our pass defense would be extremely stout with two solid young corners.
If Bradford isn't re-signed (which will happen), there is a hole. Gaffney at #2 just doesn't stop the saftey from cheating over on Johnson's side. Another fast, strong WR would open up the passing game.

Dionysus22 02-17-2005 01:48 AM

Another good point, but lets not forget about the other obvious problem. The D-line! With seth Payne in and out of IR and Gary Walker the same I'd like to see us a little more focused on the front seven. There isn't a lot of talent at the DE and DT spot this year in the draft. So go to the next best thing, a future dominate athlete, that should be wearing a big "S" on his chest, and is currently wearing burnt orange. I do however agree about AG, but unfortunately the talent isn't really that deep either this year. There maybe a few that might provide a spark but not good enough to be taken that high. I think we address that issue in the late second, early third round.
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Originally Posted by TEXANS84
I agree. But we didn't know that about Taylor at the time.

But...I too would like to see the Texans snag DJ. He would be a excellent pickup for the Texans for the future. I just believe that wide-reciever/cornerback should be addressed first. AG will be 33. Our pass defense would be extremely stout with two solid young corners.
If Bradford isn't re-signed (which will happen), there is a hole. Gaffney at #2 just doesn't stop the saftey from cheating over on Johnson's side. Another fast, strong WR would open up the passing game.


nunusguy 02-17-2005 08:25 AM

I think Derrick Johnson has a very good chance of being the top non QB selected in this years College Draft, and could even be #1 overall. So of
course it would be great to have him here, but the price would just be so
steep, very unlikely he'll be a Texan.

texanfan2002114 02-17-2005 08:55 AM

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Originally Posted by TEXANS84
I agree. But we didn't know that about Taylor at the time.

But...I too would like to see the Texans snag DJ. He would be a excellent pickup for the Texans for the future. I just believe that wide-reciever/cornerback should be addressed first. AG will be 33. Our pass defense would be extremely stout with two solid young corners.
If Bradford isn't re-signed (which will happen), there is a hole. Gaffney at #2 just doesn't stop the saftey from cheating over on Johnson's side. Another fast, strong WR would open up the passing game.

I totally agree with you about AG and needing another corner, but if you get pressure on the QB then AG won't be so bad out there. The problem is the Texans are not getting any pressure on the QB which gives the QB time to find the open man or for the man to get open.

As far a Sean Taylor and nobody knew that he was a head case, I guess you didn't read any of the papers in Florida. He was in it atleast once a month with conflicts with teamates and coachs. I was happy he was gone when the Texans drafted.

bckey 02-17-2005 09:01 AM

Don't forget that we can always move Coleman back to corner if we have to.

infantrycak 02-17-2005 09:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Dionysus22
Lets face it, Bradford is not the answer and Gaffney is too fragile.

Don't understand where comments like this come from--fragile? Gaffney has not missed a game his entire tenure in the NFL.

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I do however agree about AG, but unfortunately the talent isn't really that deep either this year. There maybe a few that might provide a spark but not good enough to be taken that high.
Really?--there are at least four CB's with good chances of being taken in the top half of the 1st round--Rolle, Jones, Miller and Rogers. Two of them share a lot in common with Dunta--Jones & Miller are both speedy gamblers that play big against the run. Seems like plenty of talent that may be BPA at #13.

F-minus67 02-17-2005 10:16 AM

if DJ isn't there we could always go with Merrimen, this guy is a physical freak. he has like a 41" vertical, benches close to 400lbs and squats close to 600lbs.

TexansTrueFan 02-17-2005 10:22 AM

as good as it would seem for us to get DJ i doubt he will still be there when we pick, now if this had been last year our the year before than yes we prolly woulda got him. But he is to good of a player for many teams to pass up, But i do still keep my fingers crossed we get him. And i figure AG has 2 more years left and i doubt we'll adress the CB position this year, we'll give a young guy a good year to learn and watch AG and D-Rob, and than he will have been mentored by the 2 best corners in the league !

edo783 02-17-2005 10:33 AM

The more I think about it and watch the discussions, I think we will be going for one of the CBs that are available and one of the good ones (hopefully Pac-man or J. Miller) should be available at 13. I like that prospect.

M@DD Mike 02-17-2005 11:21 AM

Thomas davis
 
I like Thomas Davis he would make a huge Impaact in the secondary.

STEEL BLUE TEXANS 02-17-2005 11:27 AM

We need to improve the front 7. Our secondary will get burned no matter who we have back there if the front 7 cannot generate a constant passrush.

TexansTrueFan 02-17-2005 11:47 AM

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Originally Posted by STEEL BLUE TEXANS
We need to improve the front 7. Our secondary will get burned no matter who we have back there if the front 7 cannot generate a constant passrush.


exactly, good post steel blue.

TEXANS84 02-17-2005 12:27 PM

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Originally Posted by STEEL BLUE TEXANS
We need to improve the front 7. Our secondary will get burned no matter who we have back there if the front 7 cannot generate a constant passrush.

Hence the famous words by Deion Sanders:

"Show me a front 7 that can't get to a quarterback, and you'll see cornerbacks that can't cover".

TexansTrueFan 02-17-2005 12:38 PM

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Originally Posted by TEXANS84
Hence the famous words by Deion Sanders:

"Show me a front 7 that can't get to a quarterback, and you'll see cornerbacks that can't cover".


wow those were deions words ???? a lil philosophy it sounds like, and where did he go to college ? Cause i never thought he could say anything half worth listening to !


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