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HowBoutThemCowboys! 06-03-2004 10:49 AM

The situation for Dallas
 
Here's the situation with Q.B
Quincy Carter- Likely starter for next season but will feel the heat of Testeverde (If he's signed)

Testeverte- Not signed yet but its very probable, will challenge Carter for starting spot. The Pro for Vinny is he's extremely exprienced, has played for Parcells, has played with Keshawn Johnson. CON is he's turning 41 come this November

Henson- Will likely be a back up to Vinny or Carter because he has no NFL exprience and also because he's rusty cause he took a break from football and played baseball

Hutchinston- Started off strong with NFL Europe's Rhein Fire, but are basically cut out of the NFL Europe championship running. Also last game he recieved a shoulder injury and will miss alot of the Cowboy's camp.

Tony Romo-Havent heard anything about him yet, he played decent in last season's pre season games

For our defense situation we need a cb to help out Roy Williams, The Cowboy's drafted 3 this year (Why??) But they've shown intreste in Mackenzie from GB, I think thats the best option

For running back, Im scared, BP and Jerry Jones really rolled the dice when they selected Julias Jones as RB. In my opinion the playoffs are in the hands of Julias Jones if he does well or not

BuffSoldier 06-03-2004 10:55 AM

Never place playoff aspirations solely on the performance of a rookie, I dont know why they didnt draft Steven Jackson. Until they get a better QB they arent going anywhere yall better hope that Henson turns out to be a steal for what yall traded to us for him.

HowBoutThemCowboys! 06-03-2004 12:06 PM

A playoff team always requires a good RB, if you dont have a good RB then you're out. Right now BP grabs Julias Jones for Notre Dame and is going to name him starter. I would feel alot more better if BP got Michigan's Chris Perry instead. So you think we need a better QB? Well Quincy's very likely to be a starter next season, why is he so bad? He lead Dallas to a 10-6 last season. He's only going to improve with Keshawn and the rest of the recieving squad. Incase he doesnt we always got Vinny Testaverde who we're nearing a deal with, also we have Drew Henson, who might prove to be an awesome Q.B someday. Right now I think the Q.B position isnt the part Dallas should be worrying about

WWJD 06-03-2004 12:08 PM

Testaverde has signed and it will be announced today.

Kurt Warner has also signed with the Giants.

HowBoutThemCowboys! 06-03-2004 12:12 PM

http://www.jetsinsider.com/tc_pics/i...ny%20Twirl.jpg Yes!!!!!! Vinny welcome to Dallas!!!:party:

texan279 06-03-2004 09:23 PM

I think it was the stupidest move of the draft when Dallas traded down with Steven Jackson, Chriss Perry, and Kevin Jones just sitting there, I laughed my a$$ off. Seriously Dallas has no chance to make it to the playoffs this year.

ledzeppelin229 06-03-2004 09:37 PM

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Well Quincy's very likely to be a starter next season, why is he so bad? He lead Dallas to a 10-6 last season.
Actually, the defense led them to 10-6. Quincy just held them back from being even better, although how they got to 10-6 to begin with still escapes me. Carter just doesn't seem to have the decision-making to be a successful QB, and now the running game is being gambled on Julius Jones. Another thing, who is your CB starting opposite of Newman? Mario Edwards was a glaring weakness in the Cowboys D last season, and I'm not sure a whole lot is being done to remedy that. If they do pick up McKenzie however like you hope, that will be a pretty formidable D.

infantrycak 06-03-2004 10:22 PM

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Originally Posted by texan279
I think it was the stupidest move of the draft when Dallas traded down with Steven Jackson, Chriss Perry, and Kevin Jones just sitting there, I laughed my ***** off. Seriously Dallas has no chance to make it to the playoffs this year.

On the flip side, how do you say that the failure of a team with a great RB, but made the playoffs, to draft the 1st RB on the board will keep them from making the playoffs again. Julius Jones seems to have at least Troy Hamm and egg sandwich's potential. May not have been the best draft move, but won't determine their season.

HowBoutThemCowboys! 06-03-2004 11:14 PM

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Originally Posted by ledzeppelin269
Actually, the defense led them to 10-6. Quincy just held them back from being even better, although how they got to 10-6 to begin with still escapes me. Carter just doesn't seem to have the decision-making to be a successful QB, and now the running game is being gambled on Julius Jones. Another thing, who is your CB starting opposite of Newman? Mario Edwards was a glaring weakness in the Cowboys D last season, and I'm not sure a whole lot is being done to remedy that. If they do pick up McKenzie however like you hope, that will be a pretty formidable D.

If you dont have an offense how can a team possibly be 10-6???
Mario Edwards was cut a few days ago. Even if we dont get McKenzie we still got the other 3 CB's we drafted

Fiddy 06-03-2004 11:21 PM

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Originally Posted by texan279
I think it was the stupidest move of the draft when Dallas traded down with Steven Jackson, Chriss Perry, and Kevin Jones just sitting there, I laughed my ***** off. Seriously Dallas has no chance to make it to the playoffs this year.

I still cant get over the Steven Jackson trade down, I was getting mad that they were going to get him and then they traded down.

Dallas played a soft schedule last year, one of the easiest record wise in the NFL. I wont go as far as to say they have no chance to make the playoffs, but it is certainly a whole lot tougher.

HowBoutThemCowboys! 06-03-2004 11:26 PM

What are you talking about?? That had the #2 hardest schedule in 03' Lookhttp://cbs.sportsline.com/nfl/exclusives/strength

Fiddy 06-03-2004 11:36 PM

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Originally Posted by HowBoutThemCowboys!
What are you talking about?? That had the #2 hardest schedule in 03'

You guys had 12 games against non-playoff teams and only 4 against playoff teams and you guys only beat 2 playoff teams, Eagles in week 6 and Panthers in week 12 and the Panthers kick your tails in the wildcard round. Like I said, soft schedule.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/foo.../2003/cowboys/

Got shut out by the Pats in week 11, the same team we almost tied with if it wasnt for a non-existent holding call on Kenny Wright.

HowBoutThemCowboys! 06-03-2004 11:42 PM

Does that change that their schedule was #2? Nope. Enough said

Tedc 06-03-2004 11:55 PM

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Originally Posted by HowBoutThemCowboys!
Does that change that their schedule was #2? Nope. Enough said

Yes it does. That stength of schedule that you posted was based on what the teams did the year before. It is based solely on LAST YEAR.

In this world of parity in the NFL, it only matters what you did to the teams in that season. In other words, opponents win percentage for that same year. That type of strength of schedule really allows you to see how a team fared against a tough schedule.

See this link and you will see that the Cowgirls played a fairly weak schedule. Look at the opponents win percentage.

Fiddy 06-04-2004 12:00 AM

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Originally Posted by HowBoutThemCowboys!
Does that change that their schedule was #2? Nope. Enough said

But if you only played 4 games against playoff teams, that is a measly 25% of games played against playoff teams. I'll count the Dolphins and Buc game for you so you played 6 games against playoff teams since both were close and that bumps up the percentage of games played against playoff teams to 37.5%.

The Texans had 7 games played against playoff teams and that is 43.75%, and if you count the bucs and 'phins games that we played, that is 56.25% of our games played against playoff teams.

Which schedule would you have rather had?

HowBoutThemCowboys! 06-04-2004 12:11 AM

Forgot Champs Patriots!!! We played them

Fiddy 06-04-2004 12:21 AM

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Originally Posted by HowBoutThemCowboys!
Forgot Champs Patriots!!! We played them

My bad, that brings the % of games played against playoff teams 31.25% and if you count with the bucs and 'phins, 43.75%. Yall didnt even break 50% and I gave you 2 games.

Oh yeah, I forgot. In your own words HowBoutThemCowboys!, "Enough said"

And thanks Tedc for the real strength of schedule.

Since I had nothing better to do and I love the Texans/Cowboy rivalry, I am going to throw this out there.
Here are the teams we both played:
Dolphins
Patriots
Falcons
Bucs
Panthers
Bills
Saints
Jets

Here are the results for both teams
Dolphins – Texans won, Cowboys lost
Pats – Texans took them to OT, ‘Boys got shutout
Falcons – Texans win (and we saw a little bit of Vick), Boys lose
Bucs – Texans, with a rookie QB, break the Bucs record of having like 40 games (its something like that) with a takeaways and acutall do what the Cowboys cant, score, Boys shutout and Carter throws 2 picks
Panthers – both win in nail bitters
Bills – both win in ugly games
Saints – both lose
Jets – Texans lose lead late in 4th, Cowboys stomp them

In games against similar oppenents the Texans have 4 victories, while the Cowboys have 3. And the Texans have more quality games against the better teams, Pats and Bucs for example. Texans got shutout once this season, and Cowboys twice.

HowBoutThemCowboys! 06-04-2004 12:52 AM

Why do you hate me so much? Reguardless of strenth of schedule we ended up at 10-6 :) We cant decide our schedule. We made a 10-6 record out of it. One thing you cant deny is we beat NFC champs Carolina Panthers fair and square in the regular season, with that it proves we could beat teams like them.

I knew the that strength of schedule was based on 02' stats.Why would it say 02 results on it? Thanks for quoting me by the way for some reason :cool:

So when you compare Dallas and Houston's coommon oppenents, you say Houston was a better team last season?

Fiddy 06-04-2004 01:03 AM

I dont hate you, I dont hate anyone. Ask any of my friends, I am one of the nicest people in the world, the only thing I hate are roaches.

I was trying to defend the cowboys, Texans279 said they had no chance, and I said they did although you played on of the softest schedules in the league last year. Thats when you said it was one of the hardest and got me all riled up. And I know you cant choose the schedule.

You did beat the Panthers in the regular season, but they beat you when it meant the most.

You welcome for the quote, I got in trouble on some of my papers for english this year for not quoting correctly so I thought I'd practice that skill somewhere else besides the classroom today. :D

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Originally Posted by HowBoutThemCowboys!
So when you compare Dallas and Houston's coommon oppenents, you say Houston was a better team last season?

No, I just thought I'd add to the Texans/Cowboys rivalry and try to prove that we are on our way up.

Are we cool man, if it seemed like I was being mean, I am sorry. I was just trying to prove a point.

HowBoutThemCowboys! 06-04-2004 01:08 AM

Ok, Glad we're on good terms :)


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