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LZ 04-25-2009 01:48 PM

Z-Report Final Mock Draft and 1st and 2nd Round Targets
 
I just couldn't do it. Matthews didn't add up to 15th pick value and Cushing has more pass rushing experience which helps on blitzes. He's also more physical. I could be wrong. We'll see. I still expect a trade back.

Here is my final mock draft

Texecutioner 04-25-2009 01:56 PM

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Originally Posted by LZ (Post 1168991)
I just couldn't do it. Matthews didn't add up to 15th pick value and Cushing has more pass rushing experience which helps on blitzes. He's also more physical. I could be wrong. We'll see. I still expect a trade back.

Here is my final mock draft

I'm thinking that they'll trade back as well. I'm not sure who I'd rather have as far as Mathews or Cushing. Neither of them really unless Mathews is there with the trade back and is also depends on what kind of draft pick we get for trading back as well. I wish the Texans would jump on Rey Mealeuga though.

Revolution 04-25-2009 01:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Texecutioner (Post 1168993)
I'm thinking that they'll trade back as well. I'm not sure who I'd rather have as far as Mathews or Cushing. Neither of them really unless Mathews is there with the trade back and is also depends on what kind of draft pick we get for trading back as well. I wish the Texans would jump on Rey Mealeuga though.

Why do you want a MLB when we have one of the better MLBs in the NFL?

Brando 04-25-2009 02:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Revolution (Post 1168995)
Why do you want a MLB when we have one of the better MLBs in the NFL?



I like Rey Mealeuga also. Could we move Ryans to the outside? Ryans did play OLB in college right? Maybe we could move Rey to the outside?

Texecutioner 04-25-2009 02:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Revolution (Post 1168995)
Why do you want a MLB when we have one of the better MLBs in the NFL?

I think that he is to good of a player to pass on. I think it could be worked out where Demeco could move to the outside. He played on the outside in college, and he is a good enough instinctive player to do it again if you ask me. I;m just not sold on Cushing and Mathews with the 15th pick. If Rey is there I think we should take him and not try and trade down.

LZ 04-25-2009 02:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Brando (Post 1168996)
I like Rey Mealeuga also. Could we move Ryans to the outside? Ryans did play OLB in college right? Maybe we could move Rey to the outside?

That's the question. If they think he can play outside, Maualuge would be an awesome fit, but I've spoken with someone behind the scenes (not R. Smith) who doesn't believe he can run well enough in coverage to play outside.

Ckw 04-25-2009 02:15 PM

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Originally Posted by LZ (Post 1168991)
I just couldn't do it. Matthews didn't add up to 15th pick value and Cushing has more pass rushing experience which helps on blitzes. He's also more physical. I could be wrong. We'll see. I still expect a trade back.

Here is my final mock draft

I like it. I really hope we do trade back for a guy like Darius Butler.

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Originally Posted by LZ (Post 1169008)
That's the question. If they think he can play outside, Maualuge would be an awesome fit, but I've spoken with someone behind the scenes (not R. Smith) who doesn't believe he can run well enough in coverage to play outside.

Not to mention, Demeco has become the leader of that Texans D. He is essentially removed from this role if he is not posted up in the middle.

barrett 04-25-2009 02:17 PM

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That's what I've seen with my own two eyes. He doesn't seem to do as well in coverage. He is much, MUCH more effective at the line of scrimmage.

Brando 04-25-2009 02:21 PM

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Originally Posted by LZ (Post 1169008)
That's the question. If they think he can play outside, Maualuge would be an awesome fit, but I've spoken with someone behind the scenes (not R. Smith) who doesn't believe he can run well enough in coverage to play outside.

I see. It sounds like Cushing or Mathews would be a better fit. I sure like how Rey plays though. I wouldn't be disappointed if we draft Wells or Moreno either.

barrett 04-25-2009 02:23 PM

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My fear with Cushing is growth potential. I'm wondering if there is a scenario similar to Z's "aggressive" mock that has most of the movement and trading happening before we even get a chance to deal with somebody. In that scenario where we simply can't trade down, then I could see your point with taking Cushing @ 15 instead of trading down a few and taking any of the several guys you have listed that could still be available at say 20 or lower. I question if Cushing is even a good value at 15. I really do. It's not that he's "falling". I don't think he's that good. He's stiff and the video I saw of him he seemed like a mediocre tackler. Watching Matthews at the pro day was UNREAL. He's incredibly fluid.

barrett 04-25-2009 02:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Brando (Post 1169013)
I see. It sounds like Cushing or Mathews would be a better fit. I sure like how Rey plays though. I wouldn't be disappointed if we draft Wells or Moreno either.

That's the only scenario where I would be actually upset. I think it makes ZERO sense to pay that much for a backup running back in our system.

Ole Miss Texan 04-25-2009 02:26 PM

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I could totally see Cushing being the pick at #15. It's not really my favorite at this point but I wouldn't be against the selection. I expect Rick Smith to somehow pull off a trade down as well.

3dgaroo 04-25-2009 02:35 PM

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What would it take to get Patrick Willis out of San Fran. I would think the 15th and next years 2nd. That would cancel out getting a LB with the 15th and it just cost a 2nd round pick more to get the other best linebacker in the NFL

Texecutioner 04-25-2009 02:44 PM

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Originally Posted by 3dgaroo (Post 1169021)
What would it take to get Patrick Willis out of San Fran. I would think the 15th and next years 2nd. That would cancel out getting a LB with the 15th and it just cost a 2nd round pick more to get the other best linebacker in the NFL

Would you trade Patrick Willis if you were San Fran? I sure as hell wouldn't. Why would they do that? Just so they could take our pick and take Cushing or Mathews with it and then just have an extra 2nd? That wouldn't happen.

TexansSeminole 04-25-2009 11:36 PM

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Really, really accurate write up here LZ. I am very impressed. :goodpost: I know who I am reading in preparation for next year's draft.

Ole Miss Texan 04-25-2009 11:40 PM

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Originally Posted by LZ (Post 1168991)
I just couldn't do it. Matthews didn't add up to 15th pick value and Cushing has more pass rushing experience which helps on blitzes. He's also more physical. I could be wrong. We'll see. I still expect a trade back.

Here is my final mock draft

Way to go Lance! Really accurate mock and got the Texans pick dead on!:whip:

SAMURAITEXAN 04-26-2009 04:23 AM

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Great work Lance. Not just Texans' pick but other picks as well.

GO TEXANS!!!

beerlover 04-29-2009 09:19 AM

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great job Lance:goodpost:

still cannot get over KC pick Tyson Jackson 3rd overall. I understand thought process -build around DL using Richard Seymour (6th overall pick) clone who fits 3-4 DE. Also drafted Alex Magee, DE Purdue who also projects @ 3-4 DE in the 3rd. round so its all about need not bpa.

gtexan02 04-29-2009 10:14 AM

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WOW!

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Final Mock Draft

1. Detroit - Matt Stafford, QB, Georgia
2. St. Louis - Jason Smith, LT, Baylor
3. Kansas City - Tyson Jackson, DE, LSU
4. Seattle - Aaron Curry, LB, Wake Forest
5. Cleveland - B.J. Raji, NT, Boston College
6. Cincinnati - Andre Smith, RT, Alabama
7. Oakland - Darrius Heyward-Bey, WR, Maryland
8. Jacksonville - Eugene Monroe, LT, Virginia
9. Green Bay - Michael Crabtree, WR, Texas Tech
10. San Francisco - Michael Oher, LT, Ole Miss
11. Buffallo - Aaron Mabyine, DE, Penn State
12. Denver - Brian Orakpo, OLB/DE, Texas
13. Washington - Mark Sanchez, QB, USC
14. New Orleans - Malcolm Jenkins, CB/FS, Ohio State
15. Houston - Brian Cushing, LB, USC
You got 9/15 right. Thats impressive!

JCTexan 04-29-2009 12:19 PM

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Originally Posted by gtexan02 (Post 1174607)
WOW!



You got 9/15 right. Thats impressive!

Isn't that 10/15, right?


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Final Mock Draft

1. Detroit - Matt Stafford, QB, Georgia
2. St. Louis - Jason Smith, LT, Baylor
3. Kansas City - Tyson Jackson, DE, LSU
4. Seattle - Aaron Curry, LB, Wake Forest

5. Cleveland - B.J. Raji, NT, Boston College
6. Cincinnati - Andre Smith, RT, Alabama
7. Oakland - Darrius Heyward-Bey, WR, Maryland
8. Jacksonville - Eugene Monroe, LT, Virginia

9. Green Bay - Michael Crabtree, WR, Texas Tech
10. San Francisco - Michael Oher, LT, Ole Miss
11. Buffallo - Aaron Mabyine, DE, Penn State
12. Denver - Brian Orakpo, OLB/DE, Texas
13. Washington - Mark Sanchez, QB, USC
14. New Orleans - Malcolm Jenkins, CB/FS, Ohio State
15. Houston - Brian Cushing, LB, USC



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