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HoustonFrog 04-17-2009 01:39 PM

Rick Gosselin's 2nd Mock
 
http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcont....e3cc4cc9.html

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15. Houston Texans:
Brian Orakpo, DE, Texas
Texans need help for Mario Williams up front

bah007 04-17-2009 01:49 PM

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Orakpo at #15 is a pipe dream but I wouldn't complain.

Gosselin is usually pretty good but that mock looks very unrealistic to me. Then again, it's a mock draft.

Blake 04-17-2009 01:51 PM

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First time ive seen a mock have him drop that far. I would love it. Im a big time Orakpo Fan.

And If I hear Casserly or some other douche call him OraPKo one more time im going to scream.

Vinny 04-17-2009 01:54 PM

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Originally Posted by bah007 (Post 1162965)
Orakpo at #15 is a pipe dream but I wouldn't complain.

Gosselin is usually pretty good but that mock looks very unrealistic to me. Then again, it's a mock draft.

If you look historically at all the early drafts all of them are "unrealistic". The only mocks worth a darn...ever, are the ones right before the draft when everyone starts to get better information about how the scouts and teams are really sitting. I mean, people were laughing at mocksters who had Josh Freeman in their first round mocks until he was invited to the combine...now everyone is sticking him in their mock.

Ole Miss Texan 04-17-2009 01:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Super Mario (Post 1162968)
First time ive seen a mock have him drop that far. I would love it. Im a big time Orakpo Fan.

And If I hear Casserly or some other douche call him OraPKo one more time im going to scream.

I could just hear Casserly saying, "Defensive end nightmares, Mare-eo and OraP-ko"

HoustonFrog 04-17-2009 02:00 PM

Re: Rick Gosselin's 2nd Mock
 
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Originally Posted by bah007 (Post 1162965)
Orakpo at #15 is a pipe dream but I wouldn't complain.

Gosselin is usually pretty good but that mock looks very unrealistic to me. Then again, it's a mock draft.

From the below quote he might have just done this on pure need without being tricky. But I agree, I doubt it does down like this.

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The first one last Sunday was based on best available player. This one places a greater emphasis on team need.

threetoedpete 04-17-2009 02:02 PM

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I'd probably die of a heart attack if we got him. No way. Fourteen teams are going to be scared off the guy ? No way. I believe....no matter who else they pick.....we win the division with Orakpo. They say they don't want to move Mario. And I believe them. More realistic....Ayers/Sidbury rotating with Antonio Smith.

HOU-TEX 04-17-2009 02:03 PM

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He's probably wanting to be different from the other trillion mocks that are constantly popping up every day.

TimeKiller 04-17-2009 02:08 PM

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Oh hell yes.

bah007 04-17-2009 03:00 PM

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Originally Posted by HoustonFrog (Post 1162983)
From the below quote he might have just done this on pure need without being tricky. But I agree, I doubt it does down like this.

And yet he has Seattle taking a QB?

bah007 04-17-2009 03:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Vinny (Post 1162972)
If you look historically at all the early drafts all of them are "unrealistic". The only mocks worth a darn...ever, are the ones right before the draft when everyone starts to get better information about how the scouts and teams are really sitting. I mean, people were laughing at mocksters who had Josh Freeman in their first round mocks until he was invited to the combine...now everyone is sticking him in their mock.

And now Kiper is saying that Freeman is a second round prospect.

All this "stock" stuff is BS. A guy's talent and ability does not change drastically during the period between the combine and the draft. Only your perception of it does. When I see a "draftnik" that is constantly changing up his big board this late it tells me that he doesn't scout the players. He is going off of other people's opinions.

I've had Freeman as a second round prospect since day one. The only changes you will see me making to my draft board this late is for small school guys that I don't get to watch because I don't have access to their game tapes.

nunusguy 04-17-2009 03:09 PM

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Somebody needs to tell Gosselin that Orakpo is moving up the Boards not down, whereas Curry is moving in just the opposite direction.
Gosselin must be hittin the sauce while compiling this years mocks ?
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Check that - I'm seeing a lot of mocks besides this one where Orakpo seems to be dropping, in some cases dramatically, so I dunno what's going on for sure with the Texas DE ?

HoustonFrog 04-17-2009 03:24 PM

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Originally Posted by bah007 (Post 1163060)
And yet he has Seattle taking a QB?

Hassleback isn't getting any younger or healthier and their backups are horrible

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Originally Posted by nunusguy (Post 1163074)
Somebody needs to tell Gosselin that Orakpo is moving up the Boards not down, whereas Curry is moving in just the opposite direction.
Gosselin must be hittin the sauce while compiling this years mocks ?

I think I'll trust him for right now. Again, it seems like he tried to do this one a little differently to see how it plays out. But he is tops when it comes to this stuff.

bah007 04-17-2009 03:47 PM

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Originally Posted by HoustonFrog (Post 1163093)
Hassleback isn't getting any younger or healthier and their backups are horrible...

Hasselback can still play though.

If this mock is based on need then is Seattle's biggest need a backup QB? Or is Sanchez going to start over Hasselback?

awtysst 04-17-2009 03:55 PM

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When it comes to Draft Gurus, Gosselin is the best.

I would love to get Orakpo, but I don't think GB, Buffalo, and Washington all pass on him. I could see us trading up with Washington and giving up a forth if he is still there, but I have a hard time seeing him dropping all the way to 15. If he does, something is wrong.

Ole Miss Texan 04-17-2009 04:13 PM

Re: Rick Gosselin's 2nd Mock
 
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Originally Posted by bah007 (Post 1163065)
And now Kiper is saying that Freeman is a second round prospect.

All this "stock" stuff is BS. A guy's talent and ability does not change drastically during the period between the combine and the draft. Only your perception of it does. When I see a "draftnik" that is constantly changing up his big board this late it tells me that he doesn't scout the players. He is going off of other people's opinions.

I've had Freeman as a second round prospect since day one. The only changes you will see me making to my draft board this late is for small school guys that I don't get to watch because I don't have access to their game tapes.

I agree with you on the 'stock' stuff. A 3rd round talent isn't all of a sudden a 1st round talent because of their offseason stuff. They've been that 1st round talent all along. It's just people's perceptions/getting to know more about the player/etc. that changes.

At the end of the day, all that matters is how the teams view these players, not the draftniks and fans.

A prospect's stock is fairly similar to a company's stock, but not quite exact. The player's height/weight, athleticism, etc. + their play on the field, character off the field, etc. are just like companies releasing quarterly/annual reports. What they do "on the field" and "on the books" effects what their "stock" does. The difference is that the 'market' that determines this stock isn't public... the teams determine this on an individual basis pertaining towards their team. Very rarely is there an 'overnight' jump in a players stock... it's gradual even though the casual fan doesn't see this.

awtysst 04-17-2009 05:34 PM

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Originally Posted by bah007 (Post 1163130)
Hasselback can still play though.

If this mock is based on need then is Seattle's biggest need a backup QB? Or is Sanchez going to start over Hasselback?

I think the idea is that Hasselback hangs around for a year and teaches Sanchez. Then next year Snachez is the starter. Its not a bad idea, if you think Sanchez is a quality QB.

I don't and think there are MUCH better QBs in next year's draft(McCoy, Bradford, Snead, maybe Tebow, Hiller, Robinson, etc)

steelbtexan 04-17-2009 05:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Ole Miss Texan (Post 1163161)
I agree with you on the 'stock' stuff. A 3rd round talent isn't all of a sudden a 1st round talent because of their offseason stuff. They've been that 1st round talent all along. It's just people's perceptions/getting to know more about the player/etc. that changes.

At the end of the day, all that matters is how the teams view these players, not the draftniks and fans.

A prospect's stock is fairly similar to a company's stock, but not quite exact. The player's height/weight, athleticism, etc. + their play on the field, character off the field, etc. are just like companies releasing quarterly/annual reports. What they do "on the field" and "on the books" effects what their "stock" does. The difference is that the 'market' that determines this stock isn't public... the teams determine this on an individual basis pertaining towards their team. Very rarely is there an 'overnight' jump in a players stock... it's gradual even though the casual fan doesn't see this.

Ole Miss

What do you think of the stock market?

It's trending up do you think it will continue to trend up?

Kinda like Brett Staffords stock. The only way he wont be taken #1 is if his agent gets greedy.

edo783 04-17-2009 08:05 PM

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The only mock of Gosselin's that means anything is the one the day before the draft. That one is typically pretty darn accurate, but up to that point............

HoustonFrog 04-17-2009 09:35 PM

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Originally Posted by awtysst (Post 1163238)
I think the idea is that Hasselback hangs around for a year and teaches Sanchez. Then next year Snachez is the starter. Its not a bad idea, if you think Sanchez is a quality QB.

I don't and think there are MUCH better QBs in next year's draft(McCoy, Bradford, Snead, maybe Tebow, Hiller, Robinson, etc)

Beat me to it...what he said. Sanchez isn't ready as a rookie. He learns under Hassleback and then they have their next franchise QB.


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