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YoungTexanFan 01-19-2005 08:16 PM

O line ideas, draft and small shift
 
I have seen many mocks having alex barron falling to at least us. He is deffinitly the best O linemen in the draft. would anyone be opposed to us drafting barron and moving wand to RT or RG whichever one weigert plays.
Pitts
Barron
Mikiny...im hoping for a 3rd round pickup....maybe brown?
Wade (or Wand)
Wand (or Wade)

i think wand will be a good nfl player, but i dont know if i trust him w/carr's blindside. strong side i do already.

how does that idea sound to everyone?

F-minus67 01-19-2005 08:30 PM

if we pick up some quality d line FAs and get a good pass rusher, then no.

Number19 01-19-2005 08:41 PM

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Originally Posted by YoungTexanFan
...i think wand will be a good nfl player, but i dont know if i trust him w/carr's blindside. strong side i do already...

I think you are a little too anxious and premature on your opinion of Wand. In his first year as a starter, Pitts gave up 15.5 sacks while having 9 penalties. He improved to only 5.75 sacks but with 17 penalties his second year. This year, his first as a starter, Wand gave up 12.5 sacks with 3 penalties. I expect him to make significant improvement next year. As a point of veteran comparison, this year McKinney gave up 4 sacks with o penalties, Wade gave up 6 sacks with 3 penalties and Weigart gave up 4.5 with 3.

Grid 01-20-2005 12:19 AM

why get rid of Wiegert? am i the only guy who remembers DD picking up huge yardage as he ran behind wiegert in 2003?

Wiegert, Wand, Pitts, and Wade.. these guys are all fine.. they are capable and potentially dominant. McKinney may need an upgrade and I like Jason brown in the 3rd.

Grid 01-20-2005 12:21 AM

hold on hold on.. McKinney gave up 4 sacks with 0 penalties and we are ready to crucify him? Ive been going off of everyone elses opinions on him.. if that is all he gave up.. why are we so anxious to get rid of him? other than his "We are the greatest Oline in the world" comments.

jacquescas 01-20-2005 02:42 AM

I think the comments were the main thing, although giving up sacks doesn't tell all, his run blocking isn't top notch, and although he doesn't always give up sacks, there are times he is beaten. Finding someone in the draft who can challenge him for his spot in the next couple of years is a smart move.

Number19 01-20-2005 06:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Grid
hold on hold on.. McKinney gave up 4 sacks with 0 penalties and we are ready to crucify him? Ive been going off of everyone elses opinions on him.. if that is all he gave up.. why are we so anxious to get rid of him? other than his "We are the greatest Oline in the world" comments.

Despite the general opinion of this board, McKinney is generally considered by scouts to be one of the top centers in the league, usually ranking about #10. He is a finese style player, smart, steady and dependable. But he is not elite and the position could be improved. Jacquescas is right on.

keyfro 01-20-2005 09:44 AM

yeah it's been a popular thing on this board to blame mckinney for a lot of the problems with the o-line...here's how i see our o-line

wade: our best o-lineman right now...had some injury problems and was getting used to our new zone blocking scheme...next year look for him to be one of the top 5 tackles in the game

weigert: maybe our best run blocker but is often injuried and is only average in pass protection...seems to have problems with stronger DT's in pass protection

mckinney: solid center how seems to have his bad games against jacksonville...go figure everyone else does too...needs to use more leverage against those bigger dt's

pitts: had a rough start to the season getting used to LG...maybe our second best run blocking when you look at the fact that most of DD's touchdowns came from running behind pitts...needs to refine his pass blocking while being a LG

wand: ok everyone likes this guy...i don't...i think he needs to seriously get stronger...needs to be able handle guys like freeney by himself because that's his job...also...he seemed to have some trouble recognizing stunts by the d-line and linebackers so needs to spend more time the film room


that's the way i see our o-line...personally i'm old school thinking in the draft we need to bring in atleast 3 new guys for the o-line...i like brandon evans last year and hope he can upseat someone like milford brown or fred weary

beerlover 01-20-2005 09:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Number19
I think you are a little too anxious and premature on your opinion of Wand. In his first year as a starter, Pitts gave up 15.5 sacks while having 9 penalties. He improved to only 5.75 sacks but with 17 penalties his second year. This year, his first as a starter, Wand gave up 12.5 sacks with 3 penalties. I expect him to make significant improvement next year. As a point of veteran comparison, this year McKinney gave up 4 sacks with o penalties, Wade gave up 6 sacks with 3 penalties and Weigart gave up 4.5 with 3.

any idea what Pitts sack give away for 04 was? see you have everyone listed but him.

infantrycak 01-20-2005 01:18 PM

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Originally Posted by beerlover
any idea what Pitts sack give away for 04 was? see you have everyone listed but him.

Pitts gave up 6 sacks (5.75 last year) with 7 (8 last year) false starts and 3 (7 last year) holding calls.

Joeymousepad 01-20-2005 05:03 PM

[quote=Bottle-O-Bud]You got to know your facts men!!!!

Here they are accorrding to Bottle:

1) Wand IS OUR LT! Simple! nuff said. We did not start him 16 games just to replace him. Less he totaly F's up his off season work out.

2) Pitts IS OUR LG! Capers always believed Pitts was a natural guard. He is not going back to LT with his questionable feet. He will learn the zone....

Sure they're good and people like them but if something better comes along we have to take it. Wand is good I agree but he'll never be a Pace or even wade. However people feel that Jammal and Barron will be franchise type LTs.

Joeymousepad 01-20-2005 05:04 PM

Also Elton will definatly be better than pitts and if selected will probably start at LG.

astrofan 01-20-2005 05:41 PM

Dylan Gandy from Pflugerville is a much better center than anyone available in this draft
the instant he signed he would be our best pass protector
he can also play either guard position well and he has longsnapper experience
(actually, he is from Harlingen, but played his highschool ball for Pflugerville)


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