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TimeKiller 03-27-2009 12:43 PM

Walter's again
 
Sorry I couldn't find the last thread I made about walterfootball.com 's mock up. It's probably my favorite one because it's the one I agree with most and last time I checked it he only had 1 of our 4th picks up and now he's got both up.

1 Clay Matthews OLB
2 Max Unger OC/G
3 Rashad Johnson FS
4 Andre Brown RB
4 (2)Terrance Taylor DT

Admittedly I don't know much about the DT but I think with Cody's signing maybe the rotation/depth at DT is covered and would rather see a CB/S or a WR maybe. Any thoughts to the addition?

threetoedpete 03-27-2009 12:57 PM

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Ditto:

This one I believe. Not so sure the Iowa CB guy isn't a target now in the fourth over the run stuffing DT. McClain says DT in the second....I'm skeptical on that one....unless they're going to pull another Duane Brown and take someone not rated in the first day and they like a lot with the forty six. I'm happier with this draft projection that's for sure. Might take Jerry or Hood in the first...never know.

wood is defiantly my favorite C/G prospect in the draft. Can't argue with Unger. If he made it that low we'd be foolish to pass on him. Covers more positions....at a higher level. I really like Wood though. Got the man love bad.

Taylor is a lot like Micheal Johnson in respect to the athletic numbers do not match the on Field production. He lifts like Atlas and plays like Olive Oille. Lot easier risking a fourth on potential than a first. At least it is for me.

The Pencil Neck 03-27-2009 12:59 PM

Re: Walter's again
 
This draft does not bother me. I'd be pretty pleased with this.

Kaiser Toro 03-27-2009 01:15 PM

Re: Walter's again
 
I would be pleased with that booty. :pirate:

TimeKiller 03-27-2009 01:25 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by threetoedpete (Post 1149525)
Ditto:

This one I believe. Not so sure the Iowa CB guy isn't a target now in the fourth over the run stuffing DT. McClain says the second....I'm skeptical on that one....unless they're going to pull another Duane Brown and take someone not rated in the first day and they like a lot with the forty six. I'm sure happier with this draft projection that's for sure. Might take Jerry or Hood in the first...never know.

Ah so I want that DT even less now. You mention the Iowa CB, Bradley Fletcher? 6'0'' 196 certainly fits the Bennett/Molden mold almost exactly and being a mid round guy. Didn't Smithiak want C. Godfrey last year, an Iowa DB if I'm not mistaken? So interesting parallels all around. If we picked him up I'd call the first 4 rounds pretty successful. 5-7 I might look at another backup QB maybe, definitely a WR or two, maybe another RB (Gartrell Johnson 5th round?) and some Oline depth. Only drawback is that no DE of any consequence would be taken but I guess I'm not too upset because of A. Smith coming aboard and the changes the D and DLine seem to be making under new coaches.

Shaft75 03-27-2009 01:29 PM

Re: Walter's again
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by The Pencil Neck (Post 1149529)
This draft does not bother me. I'd be pretty pleased with this.

Except for the Terrence Taylor guy... There is NO WAY that he should be picked that early!:gun:

threetoedpete 03-27-2009 01:59 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Shaft75 (Post 1149550)
Except for the Terrence Taylor guy... There is NO WAY that he should be picked that early!:gun:

Well Terrence Knighton or Gaud Forbid another teasip.....Roy Miller would work in the fifth for a young rotation DT wouldn't they ?

And some of the reasons they, the DTs go this high and people reach on them in the first is they are so hard to find. Big 325 pound guys quick enough who can move and get up feild but also have the stregth to colapse the pocket. They're danged hard to find.

Kaiser Toro 03-27-2009 02:10 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Shaft75 (Post 1149550)
Except for the Terrence Taylor guy... There is NO WAY that he should be picked that early!:gun:

I did not bang you in the mock thread, but that pick is a throw away for me for the mock we are discussing. I am non plussed by Taylor in the 4th.

Goatcheese 03-27-2009 02:46 PM

Re: Walter's again
 
I'm all for 2, 3, & 4a. I don't think any of them will be available at those points of course, but I'd be really happy to get them.

Taylor doesn't impress me. There's going to be better DTs available at that pick.

This whole Mathews thing needs to die already. He is not an NFL 4-3 linebacker.

Ole Miss Texan 03-27-2009 03:27 PM

Re: Walter's again
 
1st round I'd go with the versatile OL Michael Oher.
2nd round I'd love to go after Wood/Unger but with taking Oher in the 1st I'd take CB Alphonso Smith here.
3rd round beef up the secondary some more and keep S Rashad Johnson.
4th round-a address RB with Andre Brown.
4th round-b address OLB with a guy like Jason Williams or Mortty Ivy (probably too early though)

bah007 03-27-2009 03:39 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Ole Miss Texan (Post 1149634)
1st round I'd go with the versatile OL Michael Oher.
2nd round I'd love to go after Wood/Unger but with taking Oher in the 1st I'd take CB Alphonso Smith here.
3rd round beef up the secondary some more and keep S Rashad Johnson.
4th round-a address RB with Andre Brown.
4th round-b address OLB with a guy like Jason Williams or Mortty Ivy (probably too early though)

I would love for that to go down but half of those picks probably couldn't happen.

Smith's workouts have pushed him into a late 1st/early 2nd guy. He looks fantastic on tape and I don't think his size won't drop him farther than that.

Rashad Johnson is probably a late 2nd/early 3rd guy. He is another guy that isn't a superb athlete but he looks fantastic on game tape.

Andre Brown's workout at the combine probably puts him in the 3rd round.

Honoring Earl 34 03-27-2009 03:49 PM

Re: Walter's again
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by TimeKiller (Post 1149519)
Sorry I couldn't find the last thread I made about walterfootball.com 's mock up. It's probably my favorite one because it's the one I agree with most and last time I checked it he only had 1 of our 4th picks up and now he's got both up.

1 Clay Matthews OLB
2 Max Unger OC/G
3 Rashad Johnson FS
4 Andre Brown RB
4 (2)Terrance Taylor DT

Admittedly I don't know much about the DT but I think with Cody's signing maybe the rotation/depth at DT is covered and would rather see a CB/S or a WR maybe. Any thoughts to the addition?

The 1st four picks would contribute this year . Taylor would give Okam someone to snack with ( sorry Shaft ) .

Ole Miss Texan 03-27-2009 04:10 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by bah007 (Post 1149644)
I would love for that to go down but half of those picks probably couldn't happen.

Smith's workouts have pushed him into a late 1st/early 2nd guy. He looks fantastic on tape and I don't think his size won't drop him farther than that.

Rashad Johnson is probably a late 2nd/early 3rd guy. He is another guy that isn't a superb athlete but he looks fantastic on game tape.

Andre Brown's workout at the combine probably puts him in the 3rd round.

I don't disagree one bit. I was just going off the available players at each pick in the mock at walter's site. With that said, each changed selection creates a ripple effect thus some of the player previously available could get taken at a different point.

Goatcheese 03-27-2009 04:12 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Ole Miss Texan (Post 1149634)
1st round I'd go with the versatile OL Michael Oher.
2nd round I'd love to go after Wood/Unger but with taking Oher in the 1st I'd take CB Alphonso Smith here.
3rd round beef up the secondary some more and keep S Rashad Johnson.
4th round-a address RB with Andre Brown.

A man after my own heart. Do you have a sister?

:specnatz:

Unfortunately

Quote:

Originally Posted by bah007 (Post 1149644)
I would love for that to go down but half of those picks probably couldn't happen.

Smith's workouts have pushed him into a late 1st/early 2nd guy. He looks fantastic on tape and I don't think his size won't drop him farther than that.

Rashad Johnson is probably a late 2nd/early 3rd guy. He is another guy that isn't a superb athlete but he looks fantastic on game tape.

Andre Brown's workout at the combine probably puts him in the 3rd round.

This.

I would actually be happy if you just bumped those picks up 1 round each. 1. Smith 2. Johnson 3. Brown.

That's a lot of playmaking ability.

TimeKiller 03-27-2009 04:35 PM

Re: Walter's again
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Goatcheese (Post 1149603)

This whole Mathews thing needs to die already. He is not an NFL 4-3 linebacker.

I expect you would need to try to hide him in coverage but he's got good size and moves well. We've all seen Johnny boy's love article about his splits. Having a guy like this backing the line should give running game fits because he's got the speed to shut down a side. Or coming off the edge on blitzes he could be a terror, maybe even putting a hand down on 3rd downs like he did in college. I think he's got the mindset and smarts to learn enough coverage to not be a liability eventually
.

Ole Miss Texan 03-27-2009 04:59 PM

Re: Walter's again
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Goatcheese (Post 1149671)
A man after my own heart. Do you have a sister?

:specnatz:

Taken. :cowboy1:
Quote:

Originally Posted by Goatcheese (Post 1149671)
I would actually be happy if you just bumped those picks up 1 round each. 1. Smith 2. Johnson 3. Brown.

That's a lot of playmaking ability.

That's what seems odd about their newest mock. I feel like waltersfootball usually has a better handle on things than most other sites. In this case, I feel like y'all do, those players won't be available. And like you said, bump them up a full round and it could be a decent draft!

Here's their link:
http://www.walterfootball.com/draft2009.php

Lucky 03-27-2009 09:11 PM

Re: Walter's again
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Ole Miss Texan (Post 1149729)

Props to Ole Miss Texan for making the effort to provide the link.

Ckw 03-27-2009 09:36 PM

Re: Walter's again
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by TimeKiller (Post 1149519)
Sorry I couldn't find the last thread I made about walterfootball.com 's mock up. It's probably my favorite one because it's the one I agree with most and last time I checked it he only had 1 of our 4th picks up and now he's got both up.

1 Clay Matthews OLB
2 Max Unger OC/G
3 Rashad Johnson FS
4 Andre Brown RB
4 (2)Terrance Taylor DT

Admittedly I don't know much about the DT but I think with Cody's signing maybe the rotation/depth at DT is covered and would rather see a CB/S or a WR maybe. Any thoughts to the addition?

I would love it if that were to be our draft.

ObsiWan 03-29-2009 08:50 PM

Re: Walter's again
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by TimeKiller (Post 1149519)
Sorry I couldn't find the last thread I made about walterfootball.com 's mock up. It's probably my favorite one because it's the one I agree with most and last time I checked it he only had 1 of our 4th picks up and now he's got both up.

1 Clay Matthews OLB
2 Max Unger OC/G
3 Rashad Johnson FS
4 Andre Brown RB
4 (2)Terrance Taylor DT

Admittedly I don't know much about the DT but I think with Cody's signing maybe the rotation/depth at DT is covered and would rather see a CB/S or a WR maybe. Any thoughts to the addition?

you guys know this stuff better than me but I'd rather have V. Davis or Beanie Wells at 15 assuming we can't trade down a few spots.
I'm just not all that thrilled about Matthews this high - I keep hearing things like he isn't all that fast so can't cover TEs or RBs. Like I said, you guys know this stuff better so if that's wrong....

PHAROAH 03-29-2009 10:16 PM

Re: Walter's again
 
I think taking Clay Matthews is a huge mistake no matter how well he has worked out. This guy didn't even start for the Trojans he came into the games when they would go to there 3-4 package and he was only in to rush the qb. If we decide to take a an OLB it should be Brian Cushing who has been the starter for at least 2 full seasons maybe 3. Lets take a look at both players stats during there career at USC.


Brian Cushing:

Height: 6-3 | Weight: 243 | 40-Time: 4.74
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Career Statistics
Year GP TKL TFL SACK PBU INT
2005 8 23 0.5 0.0 3 0
2006 13 57 13.5 4.5 1 0
2007 10 25 2.5 1.0 2 0
2008 13 73 10.5 3.0 6 1
Total 44 178 27.0 8.5 12 1




Clay Matthews Jr.
Outside Linebacker | Senior | USC Clay Matthews
Height: 6-3 1/8 | Weight: 240 | 40-Time: 4.67


Career Statistics
Year GP TKL TFL SACK PBU INT
2004 RS - - - - -
2005 11 8 0.0 0.0 1 0
2006 13 15 1.5 1.0 0 0
2007 13 17 3.0 0.0 1 0
2008 13 56 9.0 4.5 2 0
Total 50 96 13.5 5.5 4 0


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