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Goatcheese 03-05-2009 02:13 AM

Goat's 3 round March Mock
 
Round 1 Pick 15
Chris Wells RB Ohio St. 6-1 235

With this pick the AFC South has a new Thunder and Lightning duo that surpasses Smushed and Crushed. Wells is a legit top 10 pick who has flown under the radar all off season. He is a guy who can step in right away and split carries with Slaton 50/50. His running style give the Texans the power running game they lack, without giving up the big play potential. Wells gives us a guy similar to Double-D, but with the size to sustain that type of running game long term.

Round 2 pick 14
Rashad Johnson FS Alabama 5-11 203

A real ballhawk who plays with terrific instincts, and has a great football IQ. Has good flexibility, and smooth hips to stick with his man in coverage. A solid tackler in the open field, and a hard worker. Great leader on and off the field. His playmaking ability, and leadership had people talking about him as a 1st rounder during the season, but that seems to have trailed off some as guys have made big off season splashes. While not a big physical thumper, Johnson is solid in run support and can play either safety position.

Round 3 pick 13
Chris Baker DT Hampton 6-2 326

Good size, and mobility. Had a fantastic senior campaign with 69 tackles, 16.5 TFL and 8.5 sacks, even if it was at Hampton. Similar in many ways to highly touted B.J. Raji. Just the kind of widebody penetrating DT the Texans are looking for. Played DE in college. Ran a 5.03 40 at 326, and if he lost some weight could be a very athletic DT.

threetoedpete 03-05-2009 02:21 AM

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Next.....:shades:

Blake 03-05-2009 06:48 AM

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Bleh. Nothing really tickles my fancy there.

BigBull17 03-05-2009 08:51 AM

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Even if we DID go RB in the 1st, not Beanie. RB is about as far dowwnon our list at 15 as any other position.

Ole Miss Texan 03-05-2009 10:10 AM

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Not a fan of the Beanster.

Goatcheese 03-05-2009 02:46 PM

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I don't think there is 1 DE, DT, CB, OLB, ILB, FS, or SS who is likely to be there, that is worth the 15th pick in the draft. A complimentary back is a need for the Texans. Slaton is a small guy, and they simply don't last long when asked to carry the rock 300+ times a season. In this league you need two good running backs, and Wells would certainly give us that, and then some. This strategy seems to have worked pretty well for the Panthers last year. They picked up J.Stewart to pair with D.Williams, and suddenly they're the 3rd best rushing attack in the NFL. Maybe you all didn't notice, but even with Slaton having a great year we were just 13th in rushing, because when he came out there was nobody to go in. We also struggled to pick up short yardage all season, which was one of the big reasons our scoring(17th) lagged so far behind our total production(3rd).

We clearly don't need a guy like this:

highlights

Wells is a great prospect, similar in many ways to Larry Johnson before his 2007 meltdown. He may be a step slower with his 4.5-.55 speed, but his short area quickness is about the same. Some of the cuts he makes in that video would be hard for a guy 30 pounds lighter. I think he fits well in this system with his ability to make one cut and go, without alot of dancing around.

Anybody else remember the supposedly good Texas run defense being unable to stop this guy in the Fiesta Bowl? 16 carries for 106 yards; 6.6 ypc.

threetoedpete 03-06-2009 11:36 AM

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Quote:

I don't think there is 1 DE, DT, CB, OLB, ILB, FS, or SS who is likely to be there, that is worth the 15th pick in the draft. A complimentary back is a need for the Texans. Slaton is a small guy, and they simply don't last long when asked to carry the rock 300+ times a season.
Believe me, we got it. You don't like SS. The coach does....everything that passed his lips at the end of December says..he is their guy....but you do not like him at twenty touches a game ... You're going to put him back to what He has been working hard to over come. That lable....the third down specialist. according to kubes.....they can't keep the guy off the Field now. Every time they bring him out for a rest he pitches a fit...and starts bothering the hell out of everyone on the sideines.

We got it.

Seventeen touches per game would come to 272 for the season....baring injury. Now that leaves how many opportunities for the beaner? With a roster which features, Andre Johnson....Kevin Walter, Owen Daniels.....there are only sixty plays per game....someone is going to be sitting and wondering where their touches went. I believe that player isn't SS. So you're going to pay the beaner how much, fifteen pick money, for how many touches per game ?

Don't know about that one. If the beaner is indeed falling....I would hope they would trade back if they got an offer and make the most of the opportunity.

What they need is seven to ten touches per game...and you can buy that with a very good prospect ...on the second day. There is no need what so ever to P.O. SS. The guy is, by all accounts working his A off to get the Texans into the play offs. He doesn't need to be pushed. He needs to be supported.

Like it or not Steve Slaton is this teams bell cow back for '09. 270 touches....Kubiak, by his quotes, thinks he's got it in the tank. Over reaching for a power O back...in the first round...doesn't help anything.

HOU-TEX 03-06-2009 11:52 AM

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Not that there's a chance in heck we'll pick a RB in the 1st, but I'd take Moreno before Wells in a heartbeat.

Specnatz 03-06-2009 11:58 AM

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Wells did not impress me at all. In fact all of the OSU players ran significantly slower than what they were listed as.

Ole Miss Texan 03-06-2009 12:04 PM

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As I've stated, I'm not a fan of Wells. If he was the selection, I would be highly disappointed but that would not change the fact I'd want him and the Texans to succeed.

With the signing of DE Smith, I see RB pushed up in early interest. I agree with goat that it is a need. How big of a need is for us to speculate.

I figure, Kubiak likes having a working running game. I suspect we'll run more next year than we did in the past. If our defense gets better, our offense will be on the field more, hopefully this translate into a better T.O.P. which is already good, more scoring and playing from ahead. This means running more late in the game.

We rushed the ball 432 (27 rpg) times last year. Slaton got 268 (16.75 p/g) of those carries, Green had 74 (4.625pg), Schaub had 31 (1.9pg), Moats with 26, Taylor with 14, Rosenfels with 11, WRs with 4, FBs with 3, and the TURK with 1!

My assumptions are if we get an good RB to team with Slaton. He will get apprx. 10 rushers per game while Slaton gets 15. I can see Slaton being the starter and getting the bulk early on in the season. May need some rest, throw in the new guy as a starter for the game, keep their legs fresh. I think the OL needs to hold their ground better in the RZ and I wouldn't be against using the FB more in those situations. If we get another back like Slaton (that can actually shoulder the load), I'd like the FB used more in short yardage situations.

Ole Miss Texan 03-06-2009 12:09 PM

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I'd also like to add that I don't really think Slaton should see the drafting of a RB early on as a slight towards him at all. Maybe at #15 in the first round... but not in the sense that he's being told he's not our guy.

I think what it does say to him, the team and the fans is that we're not happy with our overall running personnel. The two back system IS what the NFL is right now (as goat mentioned). This says, we don't want Moats as our primary backup and Taylor as 3rd string. What it would say is that the Texans want a great running game and they want to keep both their guys as fresh as possible. Not replace someone as a starter, but make it when he's in the game, he's only THAT much better.

threetoedpete 03-06-2009 12:12 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by HOU-TEX (Post 1134916)
Not that there's a chance in heck we'll pick a RB in the 1st, but I'd take Moreno before Wells in a heartbeat.

No kidding...at least he fits the system we're running. I can see Kubes being tempted by Harvin...and Moreno...Wells on the other hand is just pure man love .

TimeKiller 03-06-2009 01:02 PM

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I can see the reasoning for it but reality is you shouldn't pick-up a #2 guy, pay him more than your almost-ROY "Man" in the 1st. This needs to be a guy who comes in and gives more than just the position a lift. A LBer, Safety lifts not only the position but the defense as a whole.

HOU-TEX 03-06-2009 01:04 PM

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I'd rather the Texans grab Jennings RB from Liberty in the 3rd or 4th. If he lasts that long. :)

Blake 03-06-2009 01:06 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by TimeKiller (Post 1135017)
I can see the reasoning for it but reality is you shouldn't pick-up a #2 guy, pay him more than your almost-ROY "Man" in the 1st. This needs to be a guy who comes in and gives more than just the position a lift. A LBer, Safety lifts not only the position but the defense as a whole.

Great post. Must spread rep before giving. A stud RB like Wells would be great, in a later round. We need a player who can come in and create an instant impact ala Dunta Robinson.

beerlover 03-06-2009 01:41 PM

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love to get Jennings in the 3rd. I'm sweating bullets starting the 2nd day hoping nobody takes him before the Texans can pick again :logo:

TimeKiller 03-06-2009 04:08 PM

Re: Goat's 3 round March Mock
 
I think perfection would be to trade down about 20-25, get Matthews OLB, grab an extra 3, use the extra 3 and 4 from Sage trade to get back up into the 2nd grab the best S, DE, or RB (You would have to leave one out with only 2 picks, but bpa scenario) possible using the 3-7 picks on O=line depth, a kickreturning type WR, maybe another RB or QB.

mussop 03-06-2009 04:15 PM

Re: Goat's 3 round March Mock
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by TimeKiller (Post 1135017)
I can see the reasoning for it but reality is you shouldn't pick-up a #2 guy, pay him more than your almost-ROY "Man" in the 1st. This needs to be a guy who comes in and gives more than just the position a lift. A LBer, Safety lifts not only the position but the defense as a whole.

Tennessee dissagrees with you. Having a stacked running game made Kerry Collins look like an allpro. Imagine what it would do for Schaub.

TimeKiller 03-06-2009 04:36 PM

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First off, Lendale White wasn't, isn't, probably never will be as good as Steve Slaton is especially not his rookie year. Second, I'm guessing Johnson is making a tad more than White is. Third, White was never really annointed "Dude". If he was, he apparently wasn't good enough and the selection only proves that. That's a totally different situation.

To add on, Bean Wells doesn't look as good as Johnson did last year.

Goatcheese 03-06-2009 08:09 PM

Re: Goat's 3 round March Mock
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by threetoedpete (Post 1134903)
Believe me, we got it. You don't like SS. The coach does....everything that passed his lips at the end of December says..he is their guy....but you do not like him at twenty touches a game ... You're going to put him back to what He has been working hard to over come. That lable....the third down specialist. according to kubes.....they can't keep the guy off the Field now. Every time they bring him out for a rest he pitches a fit...and starts bothering the hell out of everyone on the sideines.

We got it.

Not sure how you got "I hate Slaton" out of "Slaton is small and I don't want to see them run him into the ground ala Double-D".

Quote:

Seventeen touches per game would come to 272 for the season....baring injury. Now that leaves how many opportunities for the beaner? With a roster which features, Andre Johnson....Kevin Walter, Owen Daniels.....there are only sixty plays per game....someone is going to be sitting and wondering where their touches went. I believe that player isn't SS. So you're going to pay the beaner how much, fifteen pick money, for how many touches per game ?
How many people wanted to bring in a free agent running back like Ward to back up, or split carries with Slaton? He would have been making more money than him. Why was that not an issue, but a draft pick making more is?

Quote:

Like it or not Steve Slaton is this teams bell cow back for '09. 270 touches....Kubiak, by his quotes, thinks he's got it in the tank. Over reaching for a power O back...in the first round...doesn't help anything.
So we're going to be a twisted ankle away from having a 4th round guy as the starter?

There's guys in the 4th with potential, but if everyone thinks they're such great, sure fire prospects then why aren't they being talked about in the first? Day two is a crap shoot. You might get a Double-D one in 6 rolls of the dice, but you're probably comming up snake eyes with Wali Lundy the other 5.

Quote:

Originally Posted by HOU-TEX (Post 1134916)
Not that there's a chance in heck we'll pick a RB in the 1st, but I'd take Moreno before Wells in a heartbeat.

I'm just the opposite. There's really not a lot that I like about Moreno at all.

He's 2.5 inches shorter, 20 lbs lighter, doesn't run as hard, doesn't have the sick stiff arm, is slower, and lacks the same kind of quickness that Wells has.


Quote:

Originally Posted by threetoedpete (Post 1134946)
No kidding...at least he fits the system we're running. I can see Kubes being tempted by Harvin...and Moreno...Wells on the other hand is just pure man love .

How does Wells not fit the system? Ron Dayne fit the system.

The zone blocking scheme is about making one cut and getting up field. That's something Wells does. He also has really good cutback vision which is important in this system.

Quote:

Originally Posted by TimeKiller (Post 1135017)
I think perfection would be to trade down about 20-25, get Matthews OLB, grab an extra 3, use the extra 3 and 4 from Sage trade to get back up into the 2nd grab the best S, DE, or RB (You would have to leave one out with only 2 picks, but bpa scenario) possible using the 3-7 picks on O=line depth, a kickreturning type WR, maybe another RB or QB.

I would like a different position, but the value just isn't there. Picking a 4-3 defender means reaching on a guy 8-10 picks early. I would take a trade down over Wells, but at 15 I think he is the best pick.


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