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hou059 01-06-2005 12:35 PM

TE Not a Factor for The Texans?
 
Billy Miller is so non existant in this offense, it's not funny. He gets no love and I wonder why they resigned him. They have their blocking back in Bruener so I thought that free Miller up to be more of a receiving threat this past off-season but nope! and if it weren't for Joppru being hurt all the damn time, Miller I don't think would see have the minutes he see now! Why don't the Texans involve him more? I mean he isn't even the safety valve when Carr needs to dump it off, Domanick Davis is!

Vinny 01-06-2005 12:47 PM

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Originally Posted by hou059
Why don't the Texans involve him more?

Because he is a miserable blocker and isn't any better in pass patterns than Armstrong. Miller has marginal NFL talent. The Texans wanted to use two TE schemes like the Patriots and Colts do but we will have to wait due to injuries and player limitations.

hou059 01-06-2005 01:04 PM

so why did the Texans extend his contract? They really ought to seek another FA and stop letting Miller simply hold a spot. That TE position can do wonders for our offense.

Vinny 01-06-2005 01:05 PM

A little talent is better than air. I think they rewarded Miller for his hard work in year two since he was a hard worker and an overachiever. He didn't break the bank and he is a good clubhouse guy. That gave the Texans a chance to throw the carrot out to the others. We likely pursue a legit TE this off-season in one manner or another. It's one of the things I feel I am fairly sure about.

El Tejano 01-06-2005 01:40 PM

I think because of Miller's non productive play and Joppru's injury bugged career so far, we will have to look for another TE in FA or the draft. Any idea who is out there in FA? I know Alge Crumpler was signed by the Falcons a long time ago so there went my wish list for TEs.

noxiousdog 01-06-2005 01:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Vinny
A little talent is better than air. I think they rewarded Miller for his hard work in year two since he was a hard worker and an overachiever. He didn't break the bank and he is a good clubhouse guy. That gave the Texans a chance to throw the carrot out to the others. We likely pursue a legit TE this off-season in one manner or another. It's one of the things I feel I am fairly sure about.

I agree 100%. In fact, if Joppru doesn't look like he's going to be a NFL player (only the doctors can tell you that), I wouldn't be surprised in the least for the Texans to use a first day pick on a TE.

They need a real dual threat guy. One that can catch and block.

hou059 01-06-2005 01:46 PM

Kevin Everette or maybe the kid out of Stanford

El Tejano 01-06-2005 01:48 PM

Who does Kevin Everette play for?

STEEL BLUE TEXANS 01-06-2005 02:02 PM

U of Miami

hou059 01-06-2005 02:22 PM

Yeah he is a Hurricane. I was just throwing a couple names out there. The TE class after Heath Miller are considered pretty much the same IMO. But Everette is a big body, muck like Troupe in Tennessee.

trijcomm 01-06-2005 08:12 PM

Miller is just fine
 
:loser Don't blame Miller for non-production. Carr has fallen in love with Davis so he outlets to him when he's in trouble. And when he goes downfield, he's looking for the WRs rather than Miller. When Andre came in, Miller's production went down. And that's not a bad thing.

Wolf 01-06-2005 09:38 PM

here is some more on the subject
http://www.houstontexans.com/fan_zon...ead.php?t=5610

chuckm 01-06-2005 09:44 PM

I know hindsight is 20-20 but I can still remember when they announced "the Texans pick Tight End" and me thinking yessssssssssss Jason Witten ..........

THE_HONKEY_TONK_KID 01-06-2005 10:19 PM

I wonder why we didn't use Billy Miller more. Not just as a TE, but something like the Patriots do with Graham. They put him as a WR in the slot and throw it to him on short passing yards just on a little curl. Just doing a simple thing like that makes the defense aware that he is on the feild and opens up for things for some of our other guys.

Juppro was one of those guys who had extreme talent when we picked him, but was labeled as a "project". With his injurys, I wonder how much of a project he still is, and how rusty he is going to be when and if he ever plays. I am for getting a TE in the draft, but not with the 1st pick, maybe not even the 2nd. Jason Witten was taken in the 3rd and Chris Cooley came from the 4th so there is talent at TE in later rounds. Maybe if we get a guy and start him and make him our primary TE and thing bring Joppru along we could use a lot of 2 TE sets and see some great results out of them.

trijcomm 01-06-2005 10:26 PM

We didn't use Miller on the curl because we used Johnson so much on the quick flare. As far as a TE goes, if you aren't going to use them, why draft one? We know Miller has the talent, but if the ball is going to Davis all the time, then you could have Antonio Gates or Todd Heap out there and he won't produce.

Vinny 01-07-2005 02:12 PM

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Originally Posted by trijcomm
We didn't use Miller on the curl because we used Johnson so much on the quick flare. As far as a TE goes, if you aren't going to use them, why draft one?

I guess you are a new fan. We installed a two-TE package we practiced all pre-season and never used it due to Joppru's injury and our talent limitations. You cannot run heavy TE offense with Billy Miller or Mark Breunner as your primary TE's. Breunner was brought here as a secondary blocking TD and Miller was a check down on an expansion team with no real WR or RB talent....but if we cut him he would have a hard time getting PT anywhere in the NFL.

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Originally Posted by trijcomm
We know Miller has the talent, but if the ball is going to Davis all the time, then you could have Antonio Gates or Todd Heap out there and he won't produce.

"We" don't know that. Myself, I think he has marginal NFL talent.

shinerbock_girl 01-07-2005 03:16 PM

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Originally Posted by chuckm
I know hindsight is 20-20 but I can still remember when they announced "the Texans pick Tight End" and me thinking yessssssssssss Jason Witten ..........

I love the way Witten plays, but Parcells would die first before he let him go...But what an assest he'd be for us....

trijcomm 01-07-2005 04:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vinny
I guess you are a new fan. We installed a two-TE package we practiced all pre-season and never used it due to Joppru's injury and our talent limitations. You cannot run heavy TE offense with Billy Miller or Mark Breunner as your primary TE's. Breunner was brought here as a secondary blocking TD and Miller was a check down on an expansion team with no real WR or RB talent....but if we cut him he would have a hard time getting PT anywhere in the NFL.

"We" don't know that. Myself, I think he has marginal NFL talent.

First of all, you are talking about something that has never been done for the very reason you brought up, so it's all pie-in-the-sky for now. As for Miller, he does have some talent. Marginal, maybe, but he does have some potential. He showed that in Year #1. As far as how that talent should be currently used with Davis around, I can't say if it would be an improvement to divert more passes to him or not.

Vinny 01-07-2005 05:01 PM

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Originally Posted by trijcomm
First of all, you are talking about something that has never been done for the very reason you brought up, so it's all pie-in-the-sky for now. As for Miller, he does have some talent. Marginal, maybe, but he does have some potential. He showed that in Year #1. As far as how that talent should be currently used with Davis around, I can't say if it would be an improvement to divert more passes to him or not.

The team was actually practicing these formations. They would not be taking time to do this if they were not serious about incorporating TE sets into the offense. Your point was we would not use one anyway. My point is that we intended to. This isn't fabricated pie in the sky babbling.

On Miller, you agree that he has marginal value, but most people feel he has tapped his potential. Next year he is a 7 year veteran. His game has reached its apex.

Blake 01-10-2005 11:41 AM

Im not sure how much longer the Texans plan on waiting for Joppru, but the non-existance of a all around TE is hurting us badly. I am as eager as any fan to see Bennie return. I am hoping he comes around this year and gives the O a legitimate TE threat.

But with the way the TE is killing teams these days, I dont know how long you can hold off.

If you wait to see if BJ is ready, you miss out on FA, and rookie TE. But if you pick one up and BJ can play, you have 2 threats at TE.

JMO


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