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Ole Miss Texan 12-08-2008 11:55 AM

Scout In. Top 32 - 12/5/08
 
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/draft0...odd&id=3745613

Malcolm Jenkins and Aaron currry as the top rated defensive players.

They have Michael Oher slipping.

beerlover 12-08-2008 12:06 PM

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realize your favorite player slipping a bit upsetting but maybe he could slip right into the Texans hands :thisbig:

starting to overview the prospects when it comes to lineman this is another great draft to grab one. last year my favorite Ryan Clady has been vindicated playing like he belongs as a rookie in a ZBS. this year my favorite offensive linemen is Eugene Monroe, he is actually really comparable to Duane Brown http://insider.espn.go.com/nfldraft/...9%26id%3d24096 because of this he would fit right in here.

nero THE zero 12-08-2008 12:12 PM

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Surprises: Stafford in the top 3, McCoy as the top rated DT, Mabin as the top rated DE, top rated RB all the way down at 19.

Looks like there's a few highly rated CB which should prove to be an interesting dynamic as our offseason progresses. If you have someone fall into your lap how do you make room for them with D-Rob and Reeves entrenched and Bennett and Molden backing them up. Bennett or Molden to safety? Molden as a dime CB? Trade? Should prove to be interesting.

threetoedpete 12-08-2008 12:44 PM

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Nobody likes this but with his contract, they are pretty much have their chips on 35. Bennit should rebound next season. He won't be the first young corner who did well as a rookie and then strruggled as a sophmore. If you know the guy is going to be there for you, and you're in love with the corner....you pick the guy. Trade the young gun and pick up a day two pick for the young gun for a prospect for 2010.

Can't believe the Penn St. guy has better first step than Brown or Orakpo.

Wonder how far Arian Foster will fall ?

threetoedpete 12-08-2008 01:00 PM

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Originally Posted by beerlover (Post 1071038)
realize your favorite player slipping a bit upsetting but maybe he could slip right into the Texans hands :thisbig:

starting to overview the prospects when it comes to lineman this is another great draft to grab one. last year my favorite Ryan Clady has been vindicated playing like he belongs as a rookie in a ZBS. this year my favorite offensive linemen is Eugene Monroe, he is actually really comparable to Duane Brown http://insider.espn.go.com/nfldraft/...9%26id%3d24096 because of this he would fit right in here.

Well they may go that way. After next year, 2009, Matt's pay me money kicks in in 2010. So I wouldn't be upset with an o-lineman. I'm an o-line guy. If you have one good enough you can hide a lot of warts on defense. But if you wanna go to the big dance in a hurry, got to have the defense. You got no defense you get exposed in the play offs. Giants did it last year.

Seems obvious that they'd be looking for defensive pieces, play makers....but they've crossed us up be for with what they were thinking. Erick gave up a hurry which resulted on a QB hit and Duane gave up a sack on an inside move. Pitts will be in his eighth year....and Salaam is Salaam. Steady Eddie.

I think Oher would look great as the left guard.

The inside move that Brown gave up was so good that my opinion is that 80% of the tackles starting in the league would of given that sack up.

Blake 12-09-2008 10:18 AM

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I want to see a better DE opposite Mario. A hammer to run with Slaton. An upgrade at guard. Upgrade at FS and SS. And maybe another CB and OLB. Is that too much to ask for?!?

TexansSeminole 12-09-2008 10:56 AM

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Looks like Everette Brown is a solid first rounder now. I would absolutely love for us to pick him up in the first and use him as a 4-3 DE. We really lack a good pass rush, even with Mario. You've got to have more than one guy pressure the QB consistently. With Brown, or even Orakpo, lining up opposite Mario we would have one of the best DE tandems in the league for many, many years IMO.

bah007 12-09-2008 11:40 AM

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Originally Posted by TexansSeminole (Post 1071839)
Looks like Everette Brown is a solid first rounder now. I would absolutely love for us to pick him up in the first and use him as a 4-3 DE. We really lack a good pass rush, even with Mario. You've got to have more than one guy pressure the QB consistently. With Brown, or even Orakpo, lining up opposite Mario we would have one of the best DE tandems in the league for many, many years IMO.

I've been on that bandwagon a while now too. Brown or Orakpo teamed up with Mario would be a dominate force.

Jackie Chiles 12-09-2008 12:18 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by TexansSeminole (Post 1071839)
Looks like Everette Brown is a solid first rounder now. I would absolutely love for us to pick him up in the first and use him as a 4-3 DE. We really lack a good pass rush, even with Mario. You've got to have more than one guy pressure the QB consistently. With Brown, or even Orakpo, lining up opposite Mario we would have one of the best DE tandems in the league for many, many years IMO.

I hope that our defensive staff, whoever they are when the draft rolls around, don't get scared off because Brown is smaller than the ideal 4-3 DE because that pass rush is too valuable to pass up. I also won't be surprised if those guys are already off the board by the time we pick.

beerlover 12-09-2008 12:58 PM

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the more I think about it the less inclined I'm in favour of taking another DL in the 1st, would prefer waiting till 2nd or 3rd., all depends who is available? glaring need besides DE to complement Mario is an elite LB to help DeMeco Ryan, power RB to split duties w/Steve Slaton & a chance for Gibbs to solidify the OL between the tackles.

TexanSam 12-09-2008 01:03 PM

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Originally Posted by beerlover (Post 1071983)
the more I think about it the less inclined I'm in favour of taking another DL in the 1st, would prefer waiting till 2nd or 3rd., all depends who is available? glaring need besides DE to complement Mario is an elite LB to help DeMeco Ryan, power RB to split duties w/Steve Slaton & a chance for Gibbs to solidify the OL between the tackles.

I think a DE opposite Mario is our biggest needs. With Adibi, DeMeco, and Diles or Bentley next year our linebackers should be okay. It's not a great group, but it won't be a weakness either.

eriadoc 12-09-2008 01:19 PM

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Any mock that doesn't have the Lions taking Crabtree first overall is not valid :D

Goldensilence 12-09-2008 01:23 PM

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Originally Posted by TexanSam (Post 1071985)
I think a DE opposite Mario is our biggest needs. With Adibi, DeMeco, and Diles or Bentley next year our linebackers should be okay. It's not a great group, but it won't be a weakness either.

I'm more inclined to look in FA for a DE opposite Mario. There are some elite names out there if Peppers isn't tagged, Suggs are going to get money tossed their way(wouldn't be opposed to either) realistically A guy like Betrand Berry could fit real nice here for a few seasons. Victor Adeyanju is young and could improve.

I think we need to address the interior of our line and we need another good LB. Will be curious to see how far Arian Foster does fall and if he'd warrant a look past the third round.

Ole Miss Texan 12-09-2008 02:01 PM

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Originally Posted by beerlover (Post 1071038)
realize your favorite player slipping a bit upsetting but maybe he could slip right into the Texans hands :thisbig:

Wouldn't that be ironic if we passed on him for another DT? What is this 2007 all over again!?

mussop 12-09-2008 03:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Ole Miss Texan (Post 1072054)
Wouldn't that be ironic if we passed on him for another DT? What is this 2007 all over again!?

That would be ok with me as long as its Raji.

Goatcheese 12-09-2008 05:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Ole Miss Texan (Post 1071022)
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/draft0...odd&id=3745613

Malcolm Jenkins and Aaron currry as the top rated defensive players.

They have Michael Oher slipping.

I think Oher will be this years Otah. A big potential guy who gets nitpicked to death, and falls alittle.

b0ng 12-09-2008 11:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Goatcheese (Post 1072222)
I think Oher will be this years Otah. A big potential guy who gets nitpicked to death, and falls alittle.

I've heard this already. Lot of people are skeptical of his footwork and leverage (mostly footwork though). Honestly I think the only linemen we should be looking at should be a C or somebody who will be able to transition to C and I think that guy will get picked further down in the draft. The defense is the albatross this year that gets beefed up with the first picks. It seems like there aren't that many great safety prospects (again), which is what I would love to pick if we're around the 20's.

For defense I really can't see them doing anything but going DL. I guess it all really depends on whether they think Travis Johnson is worth anything or not. I think the LB corps of Diles, Ryans, and Adibi is probably what they're sold on for the future. Lock up Dunta and figure out if where Bennett stands. I think Reeves would make a decent nickle and we can hopefully play Moulden more. I would really just like to see us get a good safety for the secondary for the offseason. The corners don't scare me.

The Texans defense for me is hard to evaluate because I think Diles, Adibi, Bennett, and Okoye are unknown quantities. Do you draft thinking that all of these guys can either play up to what they accomplished previous in their career, or were some or all of these guys flashes in the pan?

I think that will really come into how we draft in the first and second rounds. God I hope they cut Greenwood and Weaver this offseason.

mexican_texan 12-09-2008 11:42 PM

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Originally Posted by b0ng (Post 1072357)
I've heard this already. Lot of people are skeptical of his footwork and leverage (mostly footwork though). Honestly I think the only linemen we should be looking at should be a C or somebody who will be able to transition to C and I think that guy will get picked further down in the draft. The defense is the albatross this year that gets beefed up with the first picks. It seems like there aren't that many great safety prospects (again), which is what I would love to pick if we're around the 20's.

For defense I really can't see them doing anything but going DL. I guess it all really depends on whether they think Travis Johnson is worth anything or not. I think the LB corps of Diles, Ryans, and Adibi is probably what they're sold on for the future. Lock up Dunta and figure out if where Bennett stands. I think Reeves would make a decent nickle and we can hopefully play Moulden more. I would really just like to see us get a good safety for the secondary for the offseason. The corners don't scare me.

The Texans defense for me is hard to evaluate because I think Diles, Adibi, Bennett, and Okoye are unknown quantities. Do you draft thinking that all of these guys can either play up to what they accomplished previous in their career, or were some or all of these guys flashes in the pan?

I think that will really come into how we draft in the first and second rounds. God I hope they cut Greenwood and Weaver this offseason.

Greenwood, I understand, but Weaver has been playing well lately, much better than I've seen him play in a Texans uniform; I've actually seen him in the backfield regularly, not something I'm used to seeing in Weaver. I'm not sure what the rest of his contract is worth, but I'm not sure buying a replacement is a better option right now.

threetoedpete 12-10-2008 12:10 AM

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Originally Posted by eriadoc (Post 1072007)
Any mock that doesn't have the Lions taking Crabtree first overall is not valid :D

that's funny. I had this urge that they'd take andre smith , then the highest defensive palyer and then come back and take Colt McCoy with the 33rd pick.

That's down the toilet now.

nero THE zero 12-10-2008 06:28 AM

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Originally Posted by mexican_texan (Post 1072364)
Greenwood, I understand, but Weaver has been playing well lately, much better than I've seen him play in a Texans uniform; I've actually seen him in the backfield regularly, not something I'm used to seeing in Weaver. I'm not sure what the rest of his contract is worth, but I'm not sure buying a replacement is a better option right now.

I agree. Weaver has totally redeemed himself. Granted, he is expensive for what he does, but what he does - playing the run - he does very well. He makes a good first and second down LDE for us. I wouldn't extend him beyond his contract, but I wouldn't cut him either. Plus, for all the whining you hear for the lack of winning experience on this team, Weaver's winning experience on a very accomplished Baltimore defense seems to be overlooked.


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