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AndreJ 01-02-2005 10:59 PM

Seth Payne
 
Anyone know the specifics on his injury? If its serious, i think that would make the decision of resigning him alot easier. And we could get an early start seeing who would be back next year.

Hervoyel 01-02-2005 11:02 PM

The only thing I keep hearing is "injured his leg" with an emphasis on it not being a knee injury. That's all I've heard so far.

jacquescas 01-02-2005 11:06 PM

i am not a fan of resigning him unless its very very cheap.

Txnpride 01-02-2005 11:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Bottle-O-Bud
we should not resign our BEST D-lineman. Did you see the drop in pressure when Payne went out? Payne gets injured cause he plays hard.... Cant say that bout Walker or smith.

well said We NEED Seth back

tex 01-03-2005 06:26 AM

When Smith was signed they said he was better at stopping the run than rushing the passer.Walker I don't know what happen to him.

Grid 01-03-2005 07:34 AM

Payne is a good lineman.. but unless he is cheap i dont know that we can afford him.. not with the Smith and Walker contracts.

AndreJ 01-03-2005 01:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Grid
Payne is a good lineman.. but unless he is cheap i dont know that we can afford him.. not with the Smith and Walker contracts.

I think Walker is a has been and its time for him to hang it up. I think he had all of about .5 sacks this season and that really didn't help. It suprises me that hes the one week after week to complain to the press, but he doesn't make any plays. I would love to trade him and get him out of here, he doesn't seem happy anyway. He's just looking for a SB.

SESupergenius 01-03-2005 01:55 PM

Payne doesn't do us any good when he's on the sideline nursing an injury. He may be be our best lineman when he plays but you would be way overpaying with his consistant lack of playing time. We will draft a DL and MLB this year.

Mistril48 01-03-2005 02:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Grid
Payne is a good lineman.. but unless he is cheap i dont know that we can afford him.. not with the Smith and Walker contracts.

Define cheap? I believe in 2003 he was $4 mill Cap compared to Walkers $6 mill Cap. I would say he was getting Coleman money while Walker was getting Glenn money. I have no difficulty with giving a healthy Payne the kind of money you give Coleman, McKinney, Smith, Wade, Weigert, etc ...

I think he's proven that his surgically repaired knee can hold up. It just did for the whole season. Assuming his injury on Sunday is a routine injury to his other leg, the same kind of injury that any D-linemen could have, then I have no difficulty signing him for a reasonable amount.

There is no guarantee that recently drafted D-linemen will play great or that they won't get injured.

texansfan88 01-03-2005 04:33 PM

Pallilo on ESPN 790 said that Payne has torn some hamstring muscles

Marcus 01-03-2005 05:32 PM

Capers said on his radio show that Payne tore his hamstring, and will probably need surgery.

the wonger need food 01-03-2005 05:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Marcus
Capers said on his radio show that Payne tore his hamstring, and will probably need surgery.

Yikes... I feel for the guy. I guess the good news is that we can get him on the cheap next year.

AndreJ 01-03-2005 05:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Marcus
Capers said on his radio show that Payne tore his hamstring, and will probably need surgery.

Yeah i think thats right but its not on the same leg that he injured the year before. I'm real curious to see whether they will keep him or not. Im guessing after the SB, but does anyone know when teams start announcing the trades and FA acquisitions.

TEXANS84 01-03-2005 05:36 PM

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Originally Posted by the wonger need food
Yikes... I feel for the guy. I guess the good news is that we can get him on the cheap next year.

If there is a next year...the damage is apparently on the same leg as last year's ACL.
Talk about a bad break...and more rehab.

TexansFan#80 01-03-2005 05:38 PM

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Originally Posted by AndreJ
I'm real curious to see whether they will keep him or not. Im guessing after the SB, but does anyone know when teams start announcing the trades and FA acquisitions.

I think we need to let him go. He is injury prone. The only way we keep him is if he's not a big cost for us. I'm not exactly sure on the dates, but know it's after the SB.

jacquescas 01-03-2005 05:39 PM

I think we should take the money we were going to invest in him, and give it to someone who is a little bit better of a 2 gap defender, even a stopgap older player who can hold the fort until a draft pick develops (Halatoi Nagata)

thegr8fan 01-03-2005 06:37 PM

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I think we should take the money we were going to invest in him, and give it to someone who is a little bit better of a 2 gap defender, even a stopgap older player who can hold the fort until a draft pick develops (Halatoi Nagata)
care to name someone who is better?? :hmmm:

Payne IS the Defense. If he is out then there is a noticable drop in the entire defense. When he is in he is always around the ball and making a play. Payne commands the double team that a 3-4 defense scheme must have at Nose Tackle.

Anyone that thinks that Payne is 'plug and play' replaceable simply hasn't been paying attention to the Defensive line play.

I don't know if the injury is the end of his career or not, but I know if we don't find a NT at LEAST as good as he is we are going to be in ALOT of trouble defensively next year.

Tailgate 01-03-2005 07:20 PM

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Originally Posted by thegr8fan
care to name someone who is better?? :hmmm:

Payne IS the Defense. If he is out then there is a noticable drop in the entire defense. When he is in he is always around the ball and making a play. Payne commands the double team that a 3-4 defense scheme must have at Nose Tackle.

Anyone that thinks that Payne is 'plug and play' replaceable simply hasn't been paying attention to the Defensive line play.

I don't know if the injury is the end of his career or not, but I know if we don't find a NT at LEAST as good as he is we are going to be in ALOT of trouble defensively next year.


Agreed. The Texans are simply not the same team without him full strength. BUT... we can't afford to pay him just to wait around for him to get back to 100% (I believe he still wasnt there yet) and for who knows how long.

DR#1 01-03-2005 08:05 PM

i don't believe we should sign him back, he hasn't really shown me much, but INJURIES, if you define his career here in houston you can't say by his pass rush or by his sacks but by what injuries and how long he's been out, IMO he's not worth more then 3 million a year

nunusguy 01-03-2005 08:58 PM

Between Seth Payne and Bennie Joppru, I don't know what to say other than
the old bromide about life being unfair. You know if Seth would have had the "good fortune" to catch a flu bug this past week and not play Sunday,
he'd have gone into the offseason, signed a new contract as a FA with us or some other org, and come back better than ever next year after a full off season of conditioning.


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