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ComstockLode 01-03-2005 01:05 PM

Vince Young vs Michael Vick (1st two years)
 
I am quoting these stats from a poster on rivals.com

Vince Young has overall done better than Vick did.

"...for their first two years.

Note: Young started only 7 games of his redshirt freshman year (2003)


Michael Vick:

Passing:

Attempts: 361
Completions: 202
Comp. %: 55.95%
Yards: 3,504
Interceptions: 12
Touchdowns: 22

Rushing:

Carries: 246
Yards: 1,303
Yard/carry: 5.3
Touchdowns: 17


Vincent Young:

Passing:

Attempts: 393
Completions: 232
Comp. %: 59.03%
Yards: 3,004
Interceptions: 18
Touchdowns: 18

Rushing:

Carries: 302
Yards: 2,179
Yards/carry: 7.21
Touchdowns: 25

by year:

Michael Vick:

Passing

1999: 105 of 182 (57.7%) for 2,065 yards, 5 ints, 13 tds
2000: 97 of 179 (54.2%) for 1,439 yards, 7 ints, 9 tds

Rushing

1999: 133 carries for 667 yards (5.01 ypc) and 9 tds
2000: 113 carries for 636 yards (5.63 ypc) and 8 tds


Vincent Young:

Passing

2003: 84 of 143 (58.7%) for 1,155 yards, 7 ints, 6 tds
2004: 148 of 250 (59.2%) for 1,849 yards, 11 ints, 12 tds

Rushing

2003: 135 carries for 998 yards (7.39 ypc) and 11 tds
2004: 167 carries for 1,181 yards (7.1 ypc) and 14 tds"

WWJD 01-03-2005 01:14 PM

I love watching Vince play. He drives me crazy sometimes but the kid is just flat out fun to watch. He's scary he's such a good runner. That one run against Michigan was sick the way he broke tackles. In fact I bet Michigan was sick when they saw that film!

Huge 01-03-2005 01:37 PM

Michael Vick:
Attempts: 361
Completions: 202
Comp. %: 55.95%
Yards: 3,504
Interceptions: 12
Touchdowns: 22

Vincent Young:
Attempts: 393
Completions: 232
Comp. %: 59.03%
Yards: 3,004
Interceptions: 18
Touchdowns: 18

Translation:
Vick - 32 fewer pass attempts, 500 more yards, 4 more TDs, 6 fewer INTs

Vick was way more effective throwing the ball downfield than Young. Young is not the passer that Vick was and does not have Vick's speed. Throwing shorter routes more often explains Young's higher completion percentage.

TheOgre 01-03-2005 01:38 PM

I think Young is more careless with the ball than Vick was. I also think that Vick has more of a gun. That said, I think Young has some great "P" (potential). He should have his passing skills tested more next year if the Horns don't find a back to run between the tackles. I don't think Selvin Young is the rushing complement to Young that Benson has been.

Huge 01-03-2005 02:05 PM

Edited post because I'm a dunce.

TheOgre 01-03-2005 02:18 PM

*edit* LOL, I misread what you typed too.

edo783 01-03-2005 02:18 PM

I think that is what he said Huge. Maybe I don't read it correctly.

Huge 01-03-2005 03:17 PM

He did. I misread it thinking it read: "Young has more of a gun". Totally my bad...will edit/delete post.

TheOgre 01-03-2005 03:23 PM

He is a good article comparing Young to Cunningham and the college version of McNabb:

"The closest I'd venture is either Randall Cunningham in his prime or Donovan McNabb before he discovered Campbell's Chunky soup. The Syracuse McNabb. Or, as 'Go Blue!' supporters will recall (even though he was a wideout), Anthony Carter. Simply put, Young looks like the fleetest flag football quarterback who ever lived."

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/200...owl/index.html

Lucky 01-03-2005 03:36 PM

How about Vince Young vs. Eric Dickerson? That's who Young reminds me of. Except he's bigger & stronger than Eric. I would love to see Young in the I formation, I think he'd be as good as OU's Adrian Peterson. At least that good.

Vince is a likely 1st pick in the draft if Mack Brown moved him to RB next season. As a QB, he's a project. Compare Young all you want to Vick, but Vick is a better passer. And Vick is a below average NFL passer. How do you beat Michael Vick? You blitz the heck out of him and take the ball out of his hands. That's how the NFL would minimize Young's talent if he plays QB there. Vince could revolutionize the RB position. He doesn't have the talent as a passer to do that as a QB.

wags 01-03-2005 03:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lucky
And Vick is a below average NFL passer.

Not just below average, he's one of the worst.

Blake 01-03-2005 03:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wags
Not just below average, he's one of the worst.

True he is a horrible NFL throwing QB, but he wins games.

Huge 01-03-2005 05:34 PM

By "one of the worst", how are you measuring this? QB rating? TD/INT ratio?

wags 01-03-2005 05:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Huge
By "one of the worst", how are you measuring this? QB rating? TD/INT ratio?

Basically from watching him and comparing him to the other starting QB's. His accuracy is not very good, and I think that shows in his completion percentage.

Huge 01-03-2005 05:52 PM

Yeah, his accuracy compared to better NFL QBs is lacking. But I think the difference between his running ability to their's is bigger than the accuracy difference.

In other words, there might be days where Vick completes 70% of his passes. But you'll never see Tom Brady scorch a defense for a 65 yd TD run.

Johnny Utah 01-03-2005 05:59 PM

Young has one of the ugliest most inaccurate throws in college football. His running skill is out of this world though. I think he will make a good WR in the NFL.

Huge 01-03-2005 06:00 PM

Why? Is he good at catching the ball?

Johnny Utah 01-03-2005 06:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Huge
Why? Is he good at catching the ball?

Don't know. He's built like a WR though, and has the athleticism to play the position.

I've seen most of UT's games this season and I just don't think he has a NFL quality arm.

Huge 01-03-2005 06:10 PM

I don't know of too many 6'5, 225 lbs WRs. I agree about his arm. But he still has a couple of years to improve enough to where he can be more like Vick (have his running make up for his lack of accuracy).

I don't see him as a WR though. Size and speed is not what seperates the upper echelon of WRs from the others. Route running and catching ability are far more important.

ComstockLode 01-03-2005 10:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Huge
I don't know of too many 6'5, 225 lbs WRs. I agree about his arm. But he still has a couple of years to improve enough to where he can be more like Vick (have his running make up for his lack of accuracy).

I don't see him as a WR though. Size and speed is not what seperates the upper echelon of WRs from the others. Route running and catching ability are far more important.

I agree about the WR argument.

Their arent many 6'5" 225 lbs players that can run 4.4 forties at all. HE is a freakish athlete, and there is no real position he is specifically designed for....

I think he is way too tall to be RB, wont be able to run the ball between the tackles, because he has such a high center of gravity.

It would be a project for his catching and route running ability at WR

Since the NFL has never seen an athlete like this, much like college, who is to say that he could not be successful playing like he does in college....


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