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rmartin65 11-10-2008 09:30 PM

rmartin65's Texans Mock Draft Version 1.0
 
Ok, here it goes. Please critique

2009 Texans Mock Draft
1) Terrence Cody, DT, Alabama
I know, another D Lineman? However, Cody is the run-stuffer the Texans need, and will occupy at least 2 blockers. Stamina is a concern (at 365, of course) but he has the makings of an anchor for the line. Will help Okoye rush the passer.

2) Auston English, DE, Oklahoma
Yet another DL? Yes, English will be the pass rusher this team needs, and is none to shabby against the run. Imagine a DL of: Mario-Okoye-Cody-English

3) Brandon Carter, G, Texas Tech
Not ideal for the zone scheme, but it does not really look like the Texans run that anyway. Carter will bring an attitude to the line.

4) Bruce Johnson, CB, Miami
Too long to wait for a corner, but Johnson has good athleticism. The improved pass rush hopefully justifies waiting until the 4th round for secondary help.

5) A.Q. Shipley, C, Penn State
Hopefully a diamond in the rough. Very solid player

6) Lee Robinson, OLB, Alcorn State
Too long to wait for OLB help, but again I am banking on the improved DL. Robinson is a minor project, but athleticism and production cannot be denied.

7) Tyler Roehl, HB, North Dakota State
Hear me out, Roehl can play on special teams, and backup the FB spot and RB spot. He is a multi-purpose guy that can benefit the team.

And what the heck, top 5 free agents:
1) Brian Toal, OLB, Boston College
Talented player, just always seems to be injured.

2) Jason Boltus, QB, Hartwick
Project QB puts up insane stats

3) Javorris Jackson, FS, Savannah State
Big FS with range and playmaking ability

4) Tony Dixon, RB, Kentucky
Can never have to many runningbacks

5) Julius Pruitt, WR, Ouachita Baptist
Extremely talented, raw receiver.

bah007 11-10-2008 10:00 PM

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Would love to pick up Toal after the draft and see what he can do.

The1ApplePie 11-10-2008 10:24 PM

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Cody is an absolute beast:d:

I've rather see Selvie or Cushing in the English spot though

Corrosion 11-10-2008 11:32 PM

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Originally Posted by The1ApplePie (Post 1049337)
Cody is an absolute beast:d:

I've rather see Selvie or Cushing in the English spot though

I'd take Cody in a heartbeat .... that guy is exactly what the Texans defense needs .... He's an underclassman (soph) , I wonder if he declares ?!? Probably a sure fire top 5 pick if he does.

Selvie and Cushing I think will be gone before the Texans make a second selection. Probably both gone in the latter thrid of the first round.

beerlover 11-11-2008 08:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Corrosion (Post 1049409)
I'd take Cody in a heartbeat .... that guy is exactly what the Texans defense needs .... He's an underclassman (soph) , I wonder if he declares ?!? Probably a sure fire top 5 pick if he does.

Selvie and Cushing I think will be gone before the Texans make a second selection. Probably both gone in the latter thrid of the first round.

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Growing attention and NFL Draft hype hasn't swayed Alabama nose tackle Terrence Cody from his plans for 2009. "I still have my mind made up," Cody said Monday. "Unless something really comes up, I still have my mind made up on coming back for next year." Cody, a 365-pound junior college signee from Mississippi Gulf Coast Com munity College, with the nickname "Mount Cody," has been a sensation among fans during his first season at Alabama. - Alabama Press-Register
like Cody too but would really have to be convinced his weight is not an issue.

English looks like a natural 3-4 OLB.

Carter does not fit a ZBS.

I don't know? some interesting ideas but are they coming out? do they fit? :cool:

rmartin65 11-11-2008 10:39 AM

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Originally Posted by beerlover (Post 1049531)
like Cody too but would really have to be convinced his weight is not an issue.

English looks like a natural 3-4 OLB.

Carter does not fit a ZBS.

I don't know? some interesting ideas but are they coming out? do they fit? :cool:

English is supposedly 6'3" 255 lbs. That may be a little small, but it should be ok.

I know Carter does not fit the ZBS but I still feel that the line needs an attitude, and he is a beast. Tech's line is outstanding, and I really dont see alot of the ZBS here in Houston.

beerlover 11-11-2008 09:56 PM

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Originally Posted by rmartin65 (Post 1049659)
English is supposedly 6'3" 255 lbs. That may be a little small, but it should be ok.

I know Carter does not fit the ZBS but I still feel that the line needs an attitude, and he is a beast. Tech's line is outstanding, and I really dont see alot of the ZBS here in Houston.

guess there is no reason to worry about schemes @ this point with certain positional coaches jobs on the line this offseason. After the Texans started with the 3-4 lots of longtime fans understand its principle, dynamics & shortcomings. For instance Nose Tackle Seth Payne when healthy created good pocket penetration while stopping the run, & he's not near the interior specimen of Cody. then look @ the move to aquire the pass rushing specialist coming from the OLB poisition in Jason Babin. English is more atheltic than Babin with better speed he would fit that bill perfectly. both would be huge upgrades to this organization if they fired Smith hired Wade Phillips (example) & switched to a 3-4.

the ZBS is here to stay & I think Gibbs is here for the duration until he can fix or make the nessecary adjustments. so far he's had one draft & free agent period to work with, I'm sure he'll get some new material to work with I just don't expect they will be anything but athletic & smallish in size.

rmartin65 11-12-2008 04:21 PM

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Originally Posted by beerlover (Post 1050235)
guess there is no reason to worry about schemes @ this point with certain positional coaches jobs on the line this offseason. After the Texans started with the 3-4 lots of longtime fans understand its principle, dynamics & shortcomings. For instance Nose Tackle Seth Payne when healthy created good pocket penetration while stopping the run, & he's not near the interior specimen of Cody. then look @ the move to aquire the pass rushing specialist coming from the OLB poisition in Jason Babin. English is more atheltic than Babin with better speed he would fit that bill perfectly. both would be huge upgrades to this organization if they fired Smith hired Wade Phillips (example) & switched to a 3-4.

How would the switch to the 3-4 affect our current DL? Mario would still be an end, I assume. Cody in the middle, who at the other end? And the linebackers?

Corrosion 11-12-2008 04:58 PM

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Originally Posted by rmartin65 (Post 1050798)
How would the switch to the 3-4 affect our current DL? Mario would still be an end, I assume. Cody in the middle, who at the other end? And the linebackers?

Would have to draft at least one OLB who fits the system. Weaver would probably be the other DE (Bulman maybe).

Goldensilence 11-12-2008 05:46 PM

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I'm not really hip on moving to a 3-4.

We don't have the LBs and I think making Mario a 3-4 DE would be a big waste. What we really need is a competent Defensive coordinator.

What we do first round will depend on what we do in the off-season obviously and I think we can fill more on the defensive side via FA and cutting the last bit of fat off the defense(Weaver and Greenwood).I'd like to see us do a better job of developing players. We went heavy on defense in later part of the draft especially guys who seemed to have good potential. Molden, Okam and Adibi should start to get some serious reps if this season looks like it is going sour AGAIN.

I think one of the first two picks needs to address the interior of the offensive line.I want someone on this line to really enjoy dominating the guy opposite of him and be an enforcer that this line desperately needs.

Corrosion 11-12-2008 06:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Goldensilence (Post 1050833)
I'm not really hip on moving to a 3-4.

We don't have the LBs and I think making Mario a 3-4 DE would be a big waste. What we really need is a competent Defensive coordinator.

What we do first round will depend on what we do in the off-season obviously and I think we can fill more on the defensive side via FA and cutting the last bit of fat off the defense(Weaver and Greenwood).I'd like to see us do a better job of developing players. We went heavy on defense in later part of the draft especially guys who seemed to have good potential. Molden, Okam and Adibi should start to get some serious reps if this season looks like it is going sour AGAIN.

I think one of the first two picks needs to address the interior of the offensive line.I want someone on this line to really enjoy dominating the guy opposite of him and be an enforcer that this line desperately needs.


I'll take two please .... Center and R.Guard. .... two of the top three picks.

The1ApplePie 11-12-2008 09:56 PM

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Just last year they were experimenting with Mario standing up and he had good success. The only good 3-4 OLB that isn't a converted DE is Merriman

DeMeco would suffer the most since he is already getting beaten up this year in the 4-3. It would be the Jon Vilma effect all over again

beerlover 11-12-2008 10:29 PM

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seriously does it really matter? we're somewhere between both worlds, sort of a Pans Labyrinth of NFL football. Mario is still a foundation piece RDE/RDT, Amobi LDE/LDT (Okoye could be a really outstanding left end against the run with speed to pressure/sack the QB his size inside is being neutralized) & yes Terrence "MOUNT" Cody in the middle. the biggest mistake the Texans made in 04 (no disrespect to Dunta) was not taking Vince Wilfork, with Payne always hurt they had to upgrade & they didn't. you can't run a dominating 3-4 without a 2 gap nose. in regards to DeMeco he could easily be either a hybrid ROLB over Mario. in short we have just as many parts to a whole in either scheme just not enough to play either effective so what difference does it really make? other than to fire the DC & draft accordingly :shades:

The1ApplePie 11-12-2008 10:39 PM

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Originally Posted by beerlover (Post 1050984)
seriously does it really matter? we're somewhere between both worlds, sort of a Pans Labyrinth of NFL football. Mario is still a foundation piece RDE/RDT, Amobi LDE/LDT (Okoye could be a really outstanding left end against the run with speed to pressure/sack the QB his size inside is being neutralized) & yes Terrence "MOUNT" Cody in the middle. the biggest mistake the Texans made in 04 (no disrespect to Dunta) was not taking Vince Wilfork, with Payne always hurt they had to upgrade & they didn't. you can't run a dominating 3-4 without a 2 gap nose. in regards to DeMeco he could easily be either a hybrid ROLB over Mario. in short we have just as many parts to a whole in either scheme just not enough to play either effective so what difference does it really make? other than to fire the DC & draft accordingly :shades:

I still wonder exactly what the point of drafting Travis Johnson for the 3-4 was. He sure as hell isn't an NT

beerlover 11-12-2008 10:41 PM

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Originally Posted by The1ApplePie (Post 1050992)
I still wonder exactly what the point of drafting Travis Johnson for the 3-4 was. He sure as hell isn't an NT

I honestly believe he was a make-up call for not selecting Tommy Harris, also in 04. kinda a do over without the impact :lion:

threetoedpete 11-16-2008 11:30 AM

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Originally Posted by rmartin65 (Post 1049659)
English is supposedly 6'3" 255 lbs. That may be a little small, but it should be ok.

I know Carter does not fit the ZBS but I still feel that the line needs an attitude, and he is a beast. Tech's line is outstanding, and I really dont see alot of the ZBS here in Houston.

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6) Lee Robinson, OLB, Alcorn State
Too long to wait for OLB help, but again I am banking on the improved DL. Robinson is a minor project, but athleticism and production cannot be denied.
Didn't you see greenwood get burned and slumped to the ground in the end zone last week ?

....they can't wait on the LB. Demeeco's playing Hurt....and has been for two seasons....the presumption that Dilles is locked and loaded by September is the same kind of assumption they made Last off season with Okoye's improvement this season. They absolutely can't wait on Greenwood and backing up the linebacker slots untill the fifth round. Let me speak plain...Greenwood is done. And assuming here....Adibi, whether it was injuries or incompetences....couldn't get himself onto the field. You can't gamble the '09 sesaon on that.

NFW.

Overall nice mock. You put some real thought into it.


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