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swisher 01-02-2005 06:29 PM

Booing Carr
 
sorry if this has already been covered, I didn't see it any where else...

I went to the game today and when Carr came out towards the end of the fourth quarter after being shaken up the crowd cheered when Banks came in. Then when Carr came back in the next play the crowd booed. I don't know if this was audible on tv or radio.

I'm not one to say you shouldn't boo. You paid the money, if the product is bad then that's your choice. But I was a little shocked at this today.

Thoughts?

LiveForTheGame 01-02-2005 06:33 PM

Houston fans are only happy when they get their way. Carr may have been a little off today but he wasn't bad. I'm definitely biased for Carr, but he is a good quarterback and has potential. Tell me what he did so wrong today? I'll be honest and say I didn't get to see much of the game...but looking at the numbers he had a decent day...what is wrong with the game he played?

jhawktx 01-02-2005 06:33 PM

I agree. I thought this was very weak on the part of the fans. Carr didn't have his best day but he was also running for his life a lot. The booing on that play was very sad to hear.

LiveForTheGame 01-02-2005 06:38 PM

He didn't have a bad day either...you wanted him to stop turning the ball over- he didn't do that today, was better than 50%, and had a TD...what's wrong with that? Maybe part of the problem is AJ dropping the deep ball?

the wonger need food 01-02-2005 06:40 PM

Carr deserved every boo he got today, he was terrible.

He actually showed some desire with that run after getting boo'ed. The Texans need to bring someone in to challenge him for his job next year. Overall he has been very average this year and has regressed the second half of the season.

kbourda 01-02-2005 06:44 PM

They should have booed the overall effort of the team. Carr is the QB so he is the target. But he is one of 55 other players on that team. So, to put it on his shoulders solely is unfair.

LiveForTheGame 01-02-2005 06:54 PM

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Originally Posted by the wonger need food
Carr deserved every boo he got today, he was terrible.

He actually showed some desire with that run after getting boo'ed. The Texans need to bring someone in to challenge him for his job next year. Overall he has been very average this year and has regressed the second half of the season.


what did he do that was so bad? give me reasons why he deserved to get booed...

shinerbock_girl 01-02-2005 06:57 PM

I didn't see the game, only heard on the radio, but it sounded to me with that many sacks, the rest of the O-line should have been boo'd too....Carr got his a** kicked in sacks, so he wasn't alone in losing this game...We need a good back up also to rely on if he has to stay out...I heard Kurt Warner is available and wants to leave NY since he was upset they replaced him with baby Manning......I'm not saying replace Carr, because i still think Carr is an awesome QB, but when he loses his confidence like he did, we need a back up thats as good as Carr when we need him...

the wonger need food 01-02-2005 06:59 PM

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Originally Posted by LiveForTheGame
what did he do that was so bad? give me reasons why he deserved to get booed...

Because he is the leader of the offense and that unit was badly managed on the field. 114 passing yards against the worst team in the NFL deserves to be boo'ed. Carr was completely ineffective and Banks should have been in the game.

LiveForTheGame 01-02-2005 07:02 PM

I understand that, but tell me who to throw to deep down the field? Also, isn't it their offense to go with the short passes?

Kurt Warner doesn't want to be backup so I don't think he'd come to Houston. He wants to start...

shinerbock_girl 01-02-2005 07:08 PM

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Originally Posted by the wonger need food
Because he is the leader of the offense and that unit was badly managed on the field. 114 passing yards against the worst team in the NFL deserves to be boo'ed. Carr was completely ineffective and Banks should have been in the game.

Even if Banks was in the game, i don't think the O-line could have protected him any better, he plays simular to Carr...But if you get a QB who can play against a team like the Browns that goes AFTER the QB , i'd say get a back up like K Warner who can be very effective from getting out of the pocket and avoiding sacks...

Harry Biped 01-02-2005 07:10 PM

In the long run the booing will be good for him. A little humility never hurt anyone, least of which an over-hyped 3rd year QB. I think that Carr has plenty of potential, but we need to draft another good young QB to give us depth at that position and to give him some competition as well. When he realizes what it takes to get it done, I think he'll come around. Coaching just hasn't been good enough to get him there yet. Not to mention the fact that the O-line has more holes than a spaghetti strainer.

the wonger need food 01-02-2005 07:11 PM

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Originally Posted by texansgal8
But if you get a QB who can play against a team like the Browns that goes AFTER the QB , i'd say get a back up like K Warner who can be very effective from getting out of the pocket and avoiding sacks...

They rushed 4 all day with very few blitzes and Carr was still a deer in the headlights.

shinerbock_girl 01-02-2005 07:12 PM

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Originally Posted by LiveForTheGame
I understand that, but tell me who to throw to deep down the field? Also, isn't it their offense to go with the short passes?

Kurt Warner doesn't want to be backup so I don't think he'd come to Houston. He wants to start...

I think the Giants screwed up taking him out for Manning, i've seen him throw some awesome deep throws when he has good receivers to throw to, which the Giants didn't...I'm only saying Banks plays very simular to Carr so if he did finish the game, i still think he would have then taken the sacks just the same..

LiveForTheGame 01-02-2005 07:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Harry Biped
In the long run the booing will be good for him. A little humility never hurt anyone, least of which an over-hyped 3rd year QB. I think that Carr has plenty of potential, but we need to draft another good young QB to give us depth at that position and to give him some competition as well. When he realizes what it takes to get it done, I think he'll come around. Coaching just hasn't been good enough to get him there yet. Not to mention the fact that the O-line has more holes than a spaghetti strainer.

That's a very good point, and I agree. He'll go into the offense wanting to improve and make the fans proud so he doesn't get booed again...it is also good for the whole team.

JustBonee 01-02-2005 07:15 PM

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Originally Posted by swisher
sorry if this has already been covered, I didn't see it any where else...
I went to the game today and when Carr came out towards the end of the fourth quarter after being shaken up the crowd cheered when Banks came in. Then when Carr came back in the next play the crowd booed. I don't know if this was audible on tv or radio.
I'm not one to say you shouldn't boo. You paid the money, if the product is bad then that's your choice. But I was a little shocked at this today.
Thoughts?

I find it a little shocking too, but only because I haven't seen this by Houston fans before ...
it happens all the time elsewhere.
For what it's worth, I thought Banks should have been allowed to finish up the game at that point. What would it have hurt? .. give him some playing time, shake some of the rust off.. It's not like they were in trouble of losing a big lead or anything. He may have even put some points on the board.

shinerbock_girl 01-02-2005 07:19 PM

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Originally Posted by LiveForTheGame
That's a very good point, and I agree. He'll go into the offense wanting to improve and make the fans proud so he doesn't get booed again...it is also good for the whole team.

Very excellent point...Carr has been too cozy in his position with the Texans knowing how much he is needed, alittle competition would do him good...I feel if this team doesn't make some changes, they will only have a repeat of this year...I think we all agree and so do the analyst that they have NOOO consistency...Win against a good team one week, then lose to a bad one the next...Thats why they are harldy picked as winners because you never know which team will show up....Like i said, i think Carr is awesome, but they need to get their act together and PROTECT him consistently, not allow his fans to watch him get his A** kicked when the O-line slacks off...

shinerbock_girl 01-02-2005 07:24 PM

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Originally Posted by ThirdEyeBC32
Thats BS. DC was not the whole reason the offense struggled today. Gaffney dropped a ball that he should have caught on a 3rd down play to keep a drive going. The line needs to protect him better......


Now I will say maybe he can try to get rid of the ball quicker, but was the recievers open? Can't tell you that. But he didn't deserve to get boo'ed much less a cheer for Banks, that was weak.

I have to admit, as angry as i was also, whats the point of crushing the guys spirit from his fans...He also was down and he could have been hurt, and they were BOOing him...And look what he did when he came back in, ran down the field himself taking a tackle to get his respect back from the fans and get the first down...No this game was not all on him, the team as a whole screwed up royaly with stupid mistakes...But Carr did lose his confidence so that was my point of just taking him out of the game, at least for a while....

gwallaia 01-02-2005 07:38 PM

If anyone needed booing, it was the offensive line.

aj. 01-02-2005 07:38 PM

Our o-line is a terrible pass blocking group. The Browns used the same exact defensive sets that the Jets, Packers and Colts used against us. They rush 4 and keep 7 back and our guys can't handle it. It's not all the o-line's fault though. Has Carr ever stepped up in the pocket? There were numerous times when a simple straight ahead shuffle would have given him an extra second or two with the whole field in front of him instead of rolling into a shrinking sideline. With the wide splits being used by the Browns DEs, Carr constantly rolled straight into pressure (the LDE usually) when his first read wasn't open and protection broke down. It's not usually a good thing when your RB's have more receptions than your WR corps.

As far as booing Carr, I thought it was pretty tacky, especially since he had just left the field after getting crushed on the sack. I've never been an advocate of booing the home team. It's more destructive than constructive in my opinion. I happen to believe that the players already understand that they are playing like **** and the booing just demoralizes and make them press even more. But, booing is often the only way for fans to communicate their displeasure and they will continue to do it whether some like it or not. What made it notable is that most of the "entertain me" crowd had already left and it was mostly die-hards in the stadium at the time. Houston fans -- they love you when you do good and they hate you when you do bad.


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