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Grid 12-31-2004 08:02 PM

Marcus Spears, Rodrique Wright, and Anttaj Hawthorne
 
So, we need to improve our pass rush, but we already seem to have our guys at OLB (Peek, Wong, and Babin).. so then.. how can we improve our pass rush? with a more dominant line. A 3-4 line is supposed to tie up multiple blockers in order to free up those OLBs.. that isnt happening often enough, so im thinking that a playmaker on the line will be a big priority with us.

I know ILB is also a big one, but a new ILB isnt gonna help our pass rush as much.

Anywho.. the way I see it.. there are 3 guys that are 1st round quality 3-4 linemen.. Marcus Spears, Rodrique Wright, and Anttaj Hawthorne. Chances are Hawthorne will not be available at our pick.. but if he is I think we would jump on him.. of the other two, either one could be available to us, and of the two id take Wright, then Spears.. though both would be great picks I think.

STEEL BLUE TEXANS 12-31-2004 08:27 PM

1. Marcus Spears/Roderick Wright DL
2. Darnell Bing SS
3. Kevin Everett TE
3. Antonio Perkins CB/KR/PR
4. Robert McCune ILB
5. ?
6. ?
7. ?

YoungTexanFan 12-31-2004 10:40 PM

i don't know if perkins will be worth a third round pick, i see him more towards the forth or fifth because of his height and lack of national spotlight on him instead of his team. who knows, i could be wrong. :hmmm:

texansfan88 12-31-2004 11:15 PM

The following lineman are 1st round quality picks

Antaaj Hawthorne
Marcus Spears
Shaun Cody
Travis Johnson
Dan Cody
Erasmus James
David Pollack
Jovan Haye

NOTE: I didn't add Mathias Kiwanuka and Rod Wright because neither have declared.

The way I see it, Only Spears, Johnson and Hawthorne would fit in well with a 3-4 defense.

If it comes down to those 3, expect Spears to get the nod. If it comes down to Spears and Thomas Davis, safety from Georgia, expect the Texans to go with him as a steal.

beerlover 01-01-2005 12:27 AM

slim pickings for DT's in this years draft, Marcus Spears being the best package of character, experience, leadership, size, speed and athleticism who might still be available when the Texans select. I could see the Texans try & trade up to around the 10 spot if Haloti Ngata declares his intention to enter this years draft (Payne is due a big FA contract) but seems unlikely at this point the Texans use their first round pick on a lineman, defensive or offensive (most of those are also staying in school).

I think it boils down to either a linebacker, safety, CB or outside chance of a RB if one of the big names fall. IMO :twocents:

texansfan88 01-01-2005 12:32 AM

A good friend of mine that is one of the most reliable people in the draftnik business talked to "a ceirtain team" wink wink about the top 5 needs for the team

In Order:

Strong Safety-If T.Davis is there, they take him
Defensive End assuming Payne doesn't come back
Left Guard- Elton Brown or David Baas possibilities
2nd wide receiver-need another playmaker to get the offense rolling
Middle Linebacker- Foreman just isn't getting props

beerlover 01-01-2005 12:43 AM

all valid needs I was only refering to the Texans 1st round pick, right now I'm guessing pick #17. if the Texans fill one of those needs excluding DT I'm sure they are evaulating the NT crop, one name that might be worth mentioning is Ronald Fields Mississippi St, 6-2 somewhere over 300 lbs could be one of the two 3rd round selections.

Davis may still declare for the draft once he is advised of how highly his draft status is & if he does will not last until the Texans pick, the Lions would like to have him very much. But there are other safetys, what do you think of Ernest Shazor from Michigan? He is very physical, loves to hit & would add alot of toughness to the db's, plus he is very quick as a matter of fact quicker than Davis. This is one thing that seems very effective in the NFL, speed kills :thud:

texansfan88 01-01-2005 01:00 AM

Yeah Fields is def. moving up many teams draft boards. Are you gonna be at the tailgate sunday? If so, I'll be willing to talk football with you. I know a good amount of NFL but I know more about the draft. Let me know

texansfan88 01-01-2005 01:03 AM

As far as Shazor goes, I'm gonna wait until tommorow to get more of a feel for him. I'll let you know sunday. Right now he's probably a solid 3rd round pick if he leaves. Remember, he's only a junior as well. A bad performance tommorow could decide his future.

Grid 01-01-2005 01:48 AM

I dont really understand why SS is such a strong need. Glen Earl seemed to be playing very solid. If it is for run stopping, then I think a good Dlineman would have more impact than another SS.

Walker is not doing so well.. Payne is great, but old.. both positions could use a talented young player. Honestly Robaire Smith is the only player on our Dline who I think is set in stone. Payne is great, and could probably be our DT for another season or two.. or at least until next year when we can get Ngata (who i agree, if he declares would be a GREAT grab) but we need someone to take the starting spot over Walker. Walker would be fine as a backup, someone we could throw in to spell others, but I dont think he is good enough to be the starter anymore.. at least not judging by his play this year.

ArlingtonTexan 01-01-2005 10:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Grid
I dont really understand why SS is such a strong need. Glen Earl seemed to be playing very solid. If it is for run stopping, then I think a good Dlineman would have more impact than another SS.

Walker is not doing so well.. Payne is great, but old.. both positions could use a talented young player. Honestly Robaire Smith is the only player on our Dline who I think is set in stone. Payne is great, and could probably be our DT for another season or two.. or at least until next year when we can get Ngata (who i agree, if he declares would be a GREAT grab) but we need someone to take the starting spot over Walker. Walker would be fine as a backup, someone we could throw in to spell others, but I dont think he is good enough to be the starter anymore.. at least not judging by his play this year.

the Safety thing has gotten around the draftsperts sites and just won't go away despite the fact the safety play has improved as the year went on. A good half of those sites have the Texans taking a safety in the 1st 2 rounds and in many cases have the team reaching to do so.

ArlingtonTexan 01-01-2005 10:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by texansfan88
A good friend of mine that is one of the most reliable people in the draftnik business talked to "a ceirtain team" wink wink about the top 5 needs for the team

In Order:

Strong Safety-If T.Davis is there, they take him
Defensive End assuming Payne doesn't come back
Left Guard- Elton Brown or David Baas possibilities
2nd wide receiver-need another playmaker to get the offense rolling
Middle Linebacker- Foreman just isn't getting props

Look like he got bad info. My friends "my eyes" see the following

SS- A rookie starting who has shown skills in the running and a physical hitter...maybe Davis is good enough to take as BPA, but don't see Safety as a 1st level need.

DE-Yeah we need one even if payne stays, BTW payne plays NT and none of the Texans bacj-up DLman are signed. is this guy assuming a move over by a D-lineman

LG-Pitts has been the most consistent lineman on the team...maybe RG

2nd WR-WR is the best unit on the team, another big play WR seems like a "nice idea" over a top 5 need.

ILB-In fact needs to move up the chart as there is not a significant young player at the position Sharper starting to show some age and Foreman is mediocore. BTW , "isn't getting his props" usually means someone is not get credit for how well someone is playing so I don't understand the tag line with him.

Mistril48 01-01-2005 11:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Grid
... I think a good Dlineman would have more impact than another SS. Walker is not doing so well ... Payne is great, but old ... Robaire Smith is the only player on our Dline who I think is set in stone...

I agree about S/S, with Glen Earl, Ramon Walker and Eric Brown

On D-line, I think that Walker and Payne (if retained) have a chance to be better next year, because of injuries. I don't think they are too old (as 3-4 D-linemen) on a team making a run for the playoffs.

I think the Texans actually have two Defensive lines. One is a 3-4, with 3 D-linemen who are in essense 2-gap D-tackles. The other is a 4 man D-line that they use frequently on passing downs (nickle package). This second D-line has pass rush ends (Babin, Wong, Peek) and two conventional D-tackles. Prior to his injury, Walker was ideally suited as a D-tackle on this nickle d-line. I think the upgade we need on d-line (assuming Payne is back) is:

a) a D-tackle (1 gap penetrator) for the nickle d-line, to play with Walker; and

b) some developmental players, to develop as 2-gapers.

texansfan88 01-01-2005 12:59 PM

The thing about these draft sites is that most talk to scouts from each team, and the scouts are on the road 24/7 usually and don't get to watch the game. They get told where to go and watch film on a kid. The scout that told him all of this probably gets told to go and watch safeties.

Whether he was smoke screening stuff or not to me, his consistency and accuracy has spoken for itself over the last 6 seasons.

TexansCanes 01-01-2005 01:58 PM

i keep seeing darnell bing's name everywhere. the problem with that is that i don't think he will leave. also he will be a first rounder when he does, so why would he leave to be a mid second rounder?

beerlover 01-01-2005 04:24 PM

some of you still don't get it & that is this- the position a NFL prospect plays in college does not translate into the same position in the NFL for anyone you had the opportunity to watch the Georgia game you saw three NFL defensive prospects. Two of which could switch positions once drafted depending upon that teams needs & scheme. If the Texans want to groom a ILB that plays ILB in College http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/pla...llthurman.html would be a good selection with the 2nd round pick. Now for Pollack & Davis (one plays DE the other SS) both could become outstanding OLB in a 3-4. Theres the beauty, the fact the Texans are set with Babin @ one OLB really creates the opportunity for a pair of pass rushing, QB sacking OLB's. The #1 OLB also plays DE in College of course I'm talking about http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/pla...skiwanuka.html (if he declares) he would be worth the price of trading up as posted on earlier thread Texans #1 need.

wags 01-01-2005 04:47 PM

After watching the Georgia game, I wouldn't want Antaaj Hawthorne. He made zero plays. I have watched a few Wisconsin games this year and have never been impressed by him. If he goes in the first round I will be shocked. :shocked

Vinny 01-01-2005 05:26 PM

This draft class doesn't impress me much.

fresno8 01-01-2005 09:03 PM

I'm w/ you on this one Vinny. It's good that we improved this year because a top 5 or 10 pick would have cost a good bit of money and wouldn't be anywhere near the calibur of Dave/AJ/Dunta. I just hope we get solid conrtibuters in rnd's 1&2 who can make a difference next year and add some depth and youth in the later rounds and hope for a steal somewhere a long the way.

Lucky 01-01-2005 09:20 PM

This is the early combine invite list.

As you can see, the NFL thinks little of the incoming class of DTs, LBs, & interior offensive linemen due to the low number of combine invites at those positions. A large infusion of underclassmen to this draft class would be much appreciated.


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