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OzzO 12-26-2004 03:41 PM

So..... keep Chris Palmer, the coaches, the team...
 
Those that called for particular heads in the recent past - has your frame of mind changed?

Granted, this was just one game... and to sweep ANOTHER division rival while shutting them out.. but just wondering if there's a change of heart now.

I saw more various play calling (probably because quite a few of them worked this time)... so is that Palmer and the players now stepping up? Granted, I still think the O-line can be improved as far as protection is concerned... the run block looked good today.

Defense WHUPPED... so nothing to say there - got some pressure, some sacks, some ints...

Personally, I was not one to call for a particular person (group) to be removed.. but still feel we could use some improvement on the line.

Grid 12-26-2004 03:43 PM

Ive called for Palmers head this year, and I think im starting to come around to him. Now that ive learned to respect what they are trying to do with the Texans, instead of trying to say what I think they should do.. I appreciate his playcalling more.

We need to fix our Oline... and we could do with an improved pass rush, mostly we need a playmaker in our front 7 that we can depend on to come in EVERY WEEK and generate some kind of pass rush for us.

Other than that.. im happy with everything :)

Rovator 12-26-2004 03:47 PM

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Defense has played great the past 2 weeks, but there's still lots of room for improvement on offense.

Hervoyel 12-26-2004 03:50 PM

Fix the Oline and it will come together. The players I think are there, they are at times executing now on the run blocking but their pass blocking is still abysmal. Carr almost never gets the time he needs to get the job done.

Priority number one IMO is get a real center. Wade will get it together, Weigert will return, Pitts will continue to improve, and you've got a whole season already spent developing Wand who I think will also continue to improve. McKinney will never, ever be any better than he is right now and that's lousy.

jr0ck 12-26-2004 03:59 PM

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Now that ive learned to respect what they are trying to do with the Texans, instead of trying to say what I think they should do.. I appreciate his playcalling more.
glad to see the number of positive texan fans is growing everyday ;)

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and you've got a whole season already spent developing Wand who I think will also continue to improve. McKinney will never, ever be any better than he is right now and that's lousy.
agreed, i saw wand getting to the second and third levels on a beautiful double team with pitts on DD's 44 yarder. nice to see the big guy with a lisp look aggressive and execute, lets hope he's finding some fire in his gentle giant demeanor. now onto steve, ive been watching him in the last few games specifically, and after today im officially for looking forward to a replacement at the heart of our line. overall mckinney played well enough for us to win but on one of the 4 sacks he just let stroud run right around him to drop carr. but on a lighter note...............


:bguitar: FIRST SHUTOUT EVER, SWEEPING THE JAGS, AND BEATING OUR BIGGEST DIVISION "RIVAL" ALL IN ONE DAY!! :bguitar:

OzzO 12-26-2004 04:12 PM

You can just feel the group hugs... but I agree on points made. I'm thinking center, and some TE's this offseason for an offensive wish list.

Harry Biped 12-26-2004 04:16 PM

Today's win was great, but it was a result of the Texans best defensive effort in franchise history. Offense did their part, for the most part, but their performance still leaves something to be desired. One game does not make a franchise and the Texans have to build a much more cohesive offensive philosophy before the team will experience any true degree of success. The problems with the O-line are in large part, a failure of the philosophy(bad schemes), not necessarily the personnel. They are also still making too many elementary mistakes. They were just lucky that the Jags did not do a great job capitalizing on them today. IMHO, Palmer still needs to be sent packing. Any average OC would have been able to produce the offensive results that the Texans had today, because the talent is there. Taking a look at the big picture, the coaching is still a detriment, even if it wasn't today.

edo783 12-26-2004 04:16 PM

O-line was just barely fair today. OK running, but less than OK on pass.
Defense was STRONG. Amazing what a little presure can do isn't it?
Play calling for the most part was very predictable and pedestrian. Very lttle play action and DD was ripping them so they would have bit. Should have been a no brainer, particularly on 1st down in the second half.

TexansCanes 12-26-2004 05:40 PM

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Play calling for the most part was very predictable and pedestrian. Very lttle play action and DD was ripping them so they would have bit. Should have been a no brainer, particularly on 1st down in the second half.
i agree, i knew what play was coming. on the two downs before the andre td (need to do that more in the red zone) we were on the 11 and on two straight plays we were in a goal line formation. it seems that some times we are just glad to get into the red zone. i left the espn zone after a few minutes in the second half so i can't comment on the play calling really, but i bet is was much like that of the Green Bay, but this time our defense played a great game, maybe someone can tell me.

Wolf 12-26-2004 07:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Harry Biped
Today's win was great, but it was a result of the Texans best defensive effort in franchise history. Offense did their part, for the most part, but their performance still leaves something to be desired. One game does not make a franchise and the Texans have to build a much more cohesive offensive philosophy before the team will experience any true degree of success. The problems with the O-line are in large part, a failure of the philosophy(bad schemes), not necessarily the personnel. They are also still making too many elementary mistakes. They were just lucky that the Jags did not do a great job capitalizing on them today. IMHO, Palmer still needs to be sent packing. Any average OC would have been able to produce the offensive results that the Texans had today, because the talent is there. Taking a look at the big picture, the coaching is still a detriment, even if it wasn't today.

you could substitute the defense with the offense in that quote..and Fangio with the Palmer

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The Texans, meanwhile, moved the ball with ease. They finished with 333 yards, much of it thanks to Davis. His previous career high was 129 yards, set last season against the New York Jets and tied last month against Tennessee.
http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/recap;_y...226030&prov=ap

Harry Biped 12-26-2004 10:00 PM

All I can say is that after almost 3 full seasons, we're still waiting on the Texans offense to be productive for an entire game. They haven't done that once in their 3 years under Palmer and they scored only twice today. The defense put up half as many points as the offense did. That is truly pathetic. The offense also put the defense in some tough spots today, but fortunately they were able to work thru it. The defense has come thru many many times over the past 3 seasons and today's win belongs to the defense. The offense did just enough to give the defense some room to work, but it wasn't because of the play calling that's for darn sure. Talent is the only thing that the Texans offense has going for it and until they dump Palmer, that will likely always be the case. As I stated early, any average OC can generate that much scoring with the talent that the Texans offense puts on the field. We need an above average coaching staff if we expect to win. We certainly don't have that right now on offense, instead we have the below average Chris Palmer running our team into the ground. I'm starting to think that Wolf must be either related to Chris Palmer or is Chris Palmer himself, because even after 3 pathetic offensive seasons he still defends him for no logical reason.

thetexanator 12-26-2004 10:14 PM

im still calling for the guys head. this was a great win, but this wasnt a remedy for the year hes called. i still dont agree with not mixing in the pass in the second half. the guy has no confidence in his pass attack. we won looking good, but does anyone else think the jags werent right today? they had no fred taylor and after leftwitch got robaired he wasnt the same player. lots of things went the texans way this game, his playcalling is still bad, its just that today the run game made him look good.

Grid 12-26-2004 10:57 PM

Dont expect us to ever NOT be predictable. If you have ever watched a Steelers or Dolphins game.. they ARE predictable. it has nothing to do with the intelligence of the O coordinator.. it is just the way they play the game. I dont think anyone can deny it has been successful for them.

Personally I like it.. we dont DEPEND on being tricky or having finesse.. it is smashmouth football, focused on wearing down the defense, and performing your basic bread and butter plays to perfection.

When we get it running right, we could be really really good.. especially with our QB and WR corps. If we get a running game to go with it.. look out.

Marcus 12-27-2004 10:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Grid
Dont expect us to ever NOT be predictable. If you have ever watched a Steelers or Dolphins game.. they ARE predictable. it has nothing to do with the intelligence of the O coordinator.. it is just the way they play the game. I dont think anyone can deny it has been successful for them.

There will be some who don't like smashmouth football. They think that type of football is boring, along with being predictable. Running the football down the other teams' throats, backed up by a shutdown defense is Capers style. He strongly believes in it, and it's been proven that it works. Yesterday's game against the Jags, along with the Steelers successful season, vindicates his philosophy. He knows that it is sound. If Capers has a fault, it could be that he needs to do a better job of selling it to the fans, and asking them for more patience while constructing a team that fits that philosophy.

But I think I know who Capers is rooting for to win the Super Bowl in January.

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I dont think anyone can deny it has been successful for them.
Successful or not, there are some fans that simply don't want their hometown football team to be run that way, even though it will be hard for them to publicly admit it.

edo783 12-27-2004 12:03 PM

It is a successfull plan. However, it may not fit the team you have to work with very well. Just don't seem to be playing to the strengths of the personell, but are trying to play to a CONCEPT. As personell change it will work better, but in the mean time, play to your strengths.

Harry Biped 12-27-2004 12:26 PM

The simple fact of the matter is that teams that don't have an effective balanced offensive attack don't win championships in the NFL these days. The Texans are a long way from that and that is why we are still losing at least half of our games every year. The coaching is a detriment and has been from day one in that regard. Yes we need to be able to play smash-mouth football to control the game, but in the NFL you also have to be able to play from behind to win and you can't do that with smash-mouth football.

Vinny 12-27-2004 12:29 PM

The coaching is fine. Everyone wants an overnight contender. We are on the right course.

Harry Biped 12-27-2004 12:41 PM

It's been 3 years and the Texans haven't had to deal with salary cap issues. They have more than enough talent to get them to the playoffs THIS YEAR. They didn't get there BECAUSE of coaching. From day one, this organization has decided that it is better to look good than to be good, and we season ticket holders who have invested thousands of dollars in this team are left with hardly anything to show for our investment. A good team can be built in 3 seasons, just not with bad coaching. Pittsburgh, San Diego, and the Jets are 3 teams that have a comparable level of talent and better coaching, and that is why they are winning and we are not.

infantrycak 12-27-2004 12:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Harry Biped
They didn't get there BECAUSE of coaching.

That is one possible explanation. Another is that they went 0-2 to begin the season due to 7 turnovers having nothing to do with the coaching.

Porky 12-27-2004 01:11 PM

What we saw yesterday is Capers perfect blueprint. Heck, he said it himself - "What we saw out there was certainly what I envision our football team being, being able to run the football and play great defense. I believe in it, and I know that it works." - Dom Capers

Now, it can certainly be argued that the personell is not really suited for that style of play as of yet. It can be argued that it is a bit boring and predicatable at times too. But, the Steelers are proving it CAN be a winning formula if everything falls into place.

Having said that, I just don't agree with trying to jam round pegs into square holes. A win is a win is a win, and yesterday was great. But is this philosphy going to take us to the promised land? The jury is still way out on that one. :hmmm:


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