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Hervoyel 08-27-2008 11:07 PM

So which "hole" do you fill in our defense?
 
I'm just curious about how we've all kind of identified this "unholy trinity" of Weaver, Greenwood, and Reeves and I thought "If I could fix just one of those positons which one would I fix?" and that made me wonder what the general consensus is.

If you could swap out one of those players for a truly "good" player at that position which one would you fix? Ignore salary cap issues and without focusing on one particular player and tell me which level of our defense you would correct if you could do it "just like that".

Revolution 08-27-2008 11:09 PM

Re: So which "hole" do you fill in our defense?
 
Tough call between Weaver and Reeves. Since Reeves just got here and I know that Weaver won't cut it in our defense, I say I would upgrade the DE spot. That will help Mario and can take some pressure off our DBs.

The Pencil Neck 08-28-2008 12:34 AM

Re: So which "hole" do you fill in our defense?
 
I could make an argument for any of them. My initial inclination was Greenwood because we'd get a better blitzer who could apply pressure, a guy able to knife through and stuff the run, and hopefully a guy that could drop back in coverage and be a difference maker.

But... I think I'd go with Weaver. It would be awesome to be able to really get pressure with our 4 down linemen. That might do more to hide Greenwood and Reeves. Maybe.

ObsiWan 08-28-2008 02:20 AM

Re: So which "hole" do you fill in our defense?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by The Pencil Neck (Post 983807)
I could make an argument for any of them. My initial inclination was Greenwood because we'd get a better blitzer who could apply pressure, a guy able to knife through and stuff the run, and hopefully a guy that could drop back in coverage and be a difference maker.

But... I think I'd go with Weaver. It would be awesome to be able to really get pressure with our 4 down linemen. That might do more to hide Greenwood and Reeves. Maybe.

Exactly.

I give a nod to Polo... we could - and should - definitely upgrade defensively - but that doesn't take Smith off the hook

After thinking about it, the quickest impact would be a Mario clone to get into the backfield faster. That should make Amobi and T.J. more effective. Maybe we could move Weaver to tackle and get some use out of him.

If we upgrade Reeves or Greenwood, you still have a sucky pass rush. Not even Champ Bailey can cover for 4-5 seconds.

CloakNNNdagger 08-28-2008 06:26 AM

Re: So which "hole" do you fill in our defense?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ObsiWan (Post 983826)
Exactly.

I give a nod to Polo... we could - and should - definitely upgrade defensively - but that doesn't take Smith off the hook

After thinking about it, the quickest impact would be a Mario clone to get into the backfield faster. That should make Amobi and T.J. more effective. Maybe we could move Weaver to tackle and get some use out of him.

If we upgrade Reeves or Greenwood, you still have a sucky pass rush. Not even Champ Bailey can cover for 4-5 seconds.


4-5 seconds????????...........I counted 8-10 seconds on several plays...........it would be interesting if someone went through a tape of the preseason and tabulate only the time results of the Texans rush........I believe it would be very interesting.

Tedc 08-28-2008 06:40 AM

Re: So which "hole" do you fill in our defense?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by CloakNNNdagger (Post 983852)
4-5 seconds????????...........I counted 8-10 seconds on several plays...........it would be interesting if someone went through a tape of the preseason and tabulate only the time results of the Texans rush........I believe it would be very interesting.

I agree. I hope to see our D get to the QB better in the real season. It is hard for fans to promote a "Bull Rush" defense if it closer resembles a milk cow.

Silver Oak 08-28-2008 06:58 AM

Re: So which "hole" do you fill in our defense?
 
I abstain from voting. I was strongly tempted to vote for a shut down type corner, but you guys make a very strong argument for LB.

nunusguy 08-28-2008 07:19 AM

Re: So which "hole" do you fill in our defense?
 
If we're just gonna dream-on here with a moneys-no-object kind of wish, a complete fantasy, I'd say give us a lightning-quick edge-rusher like Dwight Freeney or DeMarcus Ware and then move Mario over to strong-side where he belongs.

Scooter 08-28-2008 08:01 AM

Re: So which "hole" do you fill in our defense?
 
i voted reeves. weaver can be subbed out for kalu, cochran, and colvin to help with the pass rush opposite mario. greenwood's cocooned between mario and ryans and might sneak in a play on occasion (though without dante to his right he's exposed). reeves however is flawed nomatter what happens with the other 10 players - see jason david. no pass rush, no play design, no outside performance is going to make him into a starter.

you are the weakest link. goodbye.

281 08-28-2008 08:09 AM

Re: So which "hole" do you fill in our defense?
 
weaver... we need some serious pass rushing impact from that position, and though i like cochran, i'm not sold on anyone on the roster to provide it consistently.

Brando 08-28-2008 08:47 AM

Re: So which "hole" do you fill in our defense?
 
I'll give Reeves a little more time before I want to get rid of him. He is still getting used to our defense. That being said he needs to tackle better. Greenwood is servicable. This is Weavers 3rd year and still has not done anything. If we can get someone that would put some pressure on the QB that would also help Reeves. So give me someone in place of Weaver.

noxiousdog 08-28-2008 08:47 AM

Re: So which "hole" do you fill in our defense?
 
Reeves will be replaces as soon as Robinson gets back.

It's a hard decision between Greenwood and Weaver though. I'll go with the linebacker unless you're talking about a pro-bowl replacement, in which case it would be weaver.

Texan_Bill 08-28-2008 08:48 AM

Re: So which "hole" do you fill in our defense?
 
D. All of the above

Hervoyel 08-28-2008 08:55 AM

Re: So which "hole" do you fill in our defense?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Texan_Bill (Post 983923)
D. All of the above

I should have added that option and had a "D. Replacing just one of them wouldn't do any good" or something like that.

HOU-TEX 08-28-2008 09:01 AM

Re: So which "hole" do you fill in our defense?
 
Everything starts up front with the big nasties. I'd replace Weaver.

Honestly, I could care less how many draft picks it takes to get that DLine. We've got to win the battle up front.

:fans:

Polo 08-28-2008 09:05 AM

Re: So which "hole" do you fill in our defense?
 
Greenwood.

Our LB's are terrible defending the underneath/intermediate passing game...

An upgrade there would help us with run stopping, pass rushing (blitzing), and intermediate pass coverage...

I really like Zach Diles, but to me he is more of a solid compliment rather than a playmaker...I'd like to add another LB that plays on the opponents side of the line of scrimmage rather than on his heels all the time...

Texan_Bill 08-28-2008 09:11 AM

Re: So which "hole" do you fill in our defense?
 
If you break the defense into 3 elements: linemen, linebackers, secondary - I assess it this way...

Linemen: Mario is set, anyone else??
Linebackers: DeMeco is set, anyone else??
Seconday: Anyone?? Anybody???

I'm also of the opinion that DeMeco needs to move to the outside. With Amobi being a little undersized and DeMeco being undersized - we are undersized in the middle... Not a good recipe for being able to stop the run...
Of course that still doesn't answer the linebacking corps problems....

Polo 08-28-2008 09:19 AM

Re: So which "hole" do you fill in our defense?
 
Are we really that small inside ?




No.


We aren't massive, but our guys aren't that little either.

And Demeco isn't undersized...He's actually about the norm...

Amobi and Travis aren't all that small either....

Texan_Bill 08-28-2008 09:26 AM

Re: So which "hole" do you fill in our defense?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Polo (Post 983952)
Are we really that small inside ?




Of course.

Define small then............ :rolleyes:


Okoye and Ryans:
6'-2" 302lbs. and 6'-1" 236 lbs. seems small to me to stop the run...


Haynesworth and Fowler:
6'-6" 320lbs. and 6'-3 250lbs

HOU-TEX 08-28-2008 09:37 AM

Re: So which "hole" do you fill in our defense?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Texan_Bill (Post 983958)
Define small then............ :rolleyes:


Okoye and Ryans:
6'-2" 302lbs. and 6'-1" 236 lbs. seems small to me to stop the run...


Haynesworth and Fowler:
6'-6" 320lbs. and 6'-3 250lbs

You should know small very well. You see the little stack of buttons every day in the mirror. :)


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