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CloakNNNdagger 07-12-2008 01:52 PM

I See Red
 
This subject seems now to be of perennial interest........that of uniform color. The majority of us have looked forward to seeing our warriors in combatant red.......better known to Texans fans as Battle Red.

There maybe something to our attraction beyond what lies on the surface. Red cars attract more tickets. Red prison walls create more aggressive inmates than any other color besides purple. Red traffic lights and brake lights announce danger.

As researchers have found, red coloration is a sexually selected signal of male quality and the presence and intensity of red coloration correlates to male dominance and testosterone levels. So, athletes facing off against opponents sporting red uniforms might subconsciously feel thrown off their game:

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British anthropologists Russell Hill and Robert Barton of the University of Durham reached that conclusion by studying the outcomes of one-on-one boxing, tae kwon do, Greco-Roman-wresting, and freestyle-wrestling matches at the 2004 Summer Olympics in Athens, Greece.

In each event Olympic staff randomly assigned red or blue clothing or body protection to competitors. When otherwise equally matched with their opponent in fitness and skill, athletes wearing red were more likely to win the bout.

"Where there was a large point difference—presumably because one contestant was far superior to the other—color had no effect on the outcome," Barton said. "Where there was a small point difference, the effect of color was sufficient to tip the balance."

In equally matched bouts, the preponderance of red wins was great enough that it could not be attributed to chance, the anthropologists say. Hill and Barton found similar results in a review of the colors worn at the Euro 2004 international soccer tournament. Their report will be published in tomorrow's issue of the journal Nature.

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"Where there was a large point difference—presumably because one contestant was far superior to the other—color had no effect on the outcome," Barton said. "Where there was a small point difference, the effect of color was sufficient to tip the balance."

In equally matched bouts, the preponderance of red wins was great enough that it could not be attributed to chance, the anthropologists say. Hill and Barton found similar results in a review of the colors worn at the Euro 2004 international soccer tournament. Their report will be published in tomorrow's issue of the journal Nature.
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Hill and Barton got the idea for their study study out of a mutual interest in the evolution of sexual signals in primates—"red seems to be the color, across species, that signals male dominance and testosterone levels," Barton said.

For example, studies by Setchell, the Cambridge primate researcher, show that dominant male mandrills have increased red coloration in their faces and rumps. Another study by other scientists shows that red plastic rings experimentally placed on the legs of male zebra finches increase the birds' dominance.

Barton said he and Hill speculated some speculated that "there might be a similar effect in humans. And if so, [it] could be apparent in sporting contests."
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Setchell, the primatologist, agrees. "As Hill and Barton say, humans redden when we are angry and pale when we're scared. These are very important signals to other individuals," she said.

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The advantage of red may be intuitively known, judging from the prevalence of red uniforms in sports—"though it is clearly not very widely appreciated, on a conscious level at least," Barton said.

He adds that the finding of red's advantage might have implications for regulations that govern sporting attire. In the Olympic matches he surveyed for the new study, for example, it is possible some medal winners may have reached the pedestal with an unintended advantage.

"That is the implication, though we cannot say that it made the difference in any one specific case," Barton said.

Red is the color of power..........Let us see more red this season............BATTLE RED, that is.:pirate:

whiskeyrbl 07-12-2008 02:42 PM

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Only twice my friend.

Thorn 07-12-2008 03:41 PM

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Wow. Good thing Mars didn't develop intelligent life. They'd have taken us over by now.

barrett 07-12-2008 03:48 PM

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i am constantly petitioning to try and get everyone to embrace the white top, blue pant "Texans" uniform.

i don't know how many times I've posted something like this:

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Originally Posted by barrett (Post 722010)
The NFL only allows you to wear what is called an "alternate jersey" twice a year. Other than that, you have you're Home jersey and pants and your Away Jersey and Pants. There are not rules as to different combinations of those but the "alternate" jersey can only be worn twice a year.

For the record, I think our white jerseys on blue pants are by and far the classiest look we have. I don't understand why everyone is so giddy about the Battle Red... I'm fine with wearing them once a year but they don't look like the Texans that we are defined as. We are an expansion team and we need to develop our identity and in my opinion the best way to do that visually is through consistency. I'd love it if we were to wear Liberty White over Deep Steel Blue for all games other than road games that the home team forces us to wear Blue over white. And then we could pull out the Battle Red for a big game. By doing that we would develop a much stronger national identity.

How many different uni's does Green Bay have? two. Home and Away. When you think of the Chicago Bears do you think about their orange jerseys? no. When you think of the Dallas Cowboys, you know what you think of. White over silver. Even seeing them in the blue jerseys is odd. The Raiders? The Steelers? Come on people.... Those are solid identities. We could be building the same sort. Sadly, we're not, but at least we're not the Bengals or the Bills or the Jags or the Thumbtacks, or the Seahawks... You get the point.

we're not those teams, yet.

we've only been in the league for a few years. there are teams that have maintained a visual image for decades and if there is one thing that defines laughable expansion teams in the NFL it's loosing and no sense of identity, history or tradition. it's like a shiny new sportscar that's made out of fibreglass and gets a totally new body every 4 years. then there is the corvette. classic lines that can easily be identified. sure, subtle changes are made over the years but the identity of the car, the "look" of the car is maintained. you get where i'm going with that.

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Originally Posted by barrett (Post 804470)
i've said it a hundred times. all the great teams of the NFL have consistent uniforms. they don't change them up for special days. they just wear home and away and they win football games.

green bay packers
pittsburg steelers
dallas cowboys (allthough this is not as true for them)
chicago bears
indianapolis colts
these teams are the heart of the nfl and they are consistent symbols of winning football.

red leotards are not.


Lucky pointed out that even the "classic" teams have throwback uni's or special uni's of some sort but who thinks of the bears in their orange? or the packers in the yellow shouldered uni's? nobody. you associate "da' bears" with a certain look, "the pack" with a historic vision of championships in the frozen tundra of the 60's. Same pack today. The cowboys getting beat by the 49'rs in "the catch" is the same cowboys team that blew the win over the Seahawks on the extra point in the playoffs two years ago. the Seattle team that beat them, they wear seaweed leotards now.

I implore ya'll to be patient and embrace your Texans as they are, as they were the first regular season game where we defeated the cowboys in their funny blue "away" uniforms.

ObsiWan 07-12-2008 04:04 PM

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http://www.teamsaki.com/images/marsblackman.jpg

its da SHOES!

Carr Bombed 07-12-2008 05:05 PM

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How do you explain the Arizona Cardinals though?

Texecutioner 07-12-2008 06:39 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by CloakNNNdagger (Post 952729)
This subject seems now to be of perennial interest........that of uniform color. The majority of us have looked forward to seeing our warriors in combatant red.......better known to Texans fans as Battle Red.

There maybe something to our attraction beyond what lies on the surface. Red cars attract more tickets. Red prison walls create more aggressive inmates than any other color besides purple. Red traffic lights and brake lights announce danger.

As researchers have found, red coloration is a sexually selected signal of male quality and the presence and intensity of red coloration correlates to male dominance and testosterone levels. So, athletes facing off against opponents sporting red uniforms might subconsciously feel thrown off their game:














Red is the color of power..........Let us see more red this season............BATTLE RED, that is.:pirate:


I completely agree. Not only do I want the battle red jerseys to be the main ones, but I also really liked the red pants they had last year. I thought the all red uniforms were the best ones they ever played in. BATTLE RED!!!

ReliantTexan 07-12-2008 07:19 PM

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To be honest, I like the Steel blue over white pants look. Like in week 2 against Carolina.

CloakNNNdagger 07-12-2008 07:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Carr Bombed (Post 952777)
How do you explain the Arizona Cardinals though?

Who have the Cardinals been overtly superior to would be the question???

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"Where there was a large point difference—presumably because one contestant was far superior to the other—color had no effect on the outcome," Barton said. "Where there was a small point difference, the effect of color was sufficient to tip the balance."

To add to the studies mentioned above, dark colors mixed with red, such as black, dark navy, etc would reinforce the effect. Arizona mixes there red with lots of white.

BTW, the calmest, most nonthreatening colors are peach and powder blue. Brings to mind the Oilers..........who yielded their powder puff color to one of our "favorite" rival teams..............they would be enhanced even further with the addition of tutu frills. :texflag:

ObsiWan 07-13-2008 12:59 AM

Re: I See Red
 
Didn't I hear someplace that the Titans are switching their home jerseys to that light blue trimmed in dark blue?

yeah... here it is

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The team plans to wear light blue for all of its home games except the preseason opener on Aug. 9 against the St. Louis Rams, and the Nov. 23 regular season game at LP Field against the Jets, when they’ll wear navy. The team’s primary road jersey will remain white.

They are 4-0 over the past two seasons and 7-3 overall since the light blue was first introduced as the “third jersey” in 2003.

The Titans are 43-28 in dark blue and 33-30 in the white jersey.

Let's hope that switch to light blue is their doom

mexican_texan 07-13-2008 01:15 AM

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2 per year. I get enough red at UH.

Dan B. 07-13-2008 01:50 AM

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Personally I like the idea of going with red as it would help Houston's sports teams develop an identity. Think Pittsburgh. EVERY team wears black and gold. If the Texans went to a red jersey, they would follow in the steps of the Rockets and Astros (yeah I know the 'Stros are more rust colored, but it's still closer than Steel Blue is to anything another Houston team wears).

Basically the Texans erred when they first started by picking by far the most popular color schemes in football. The Giants, Patriots, Bills, and even the Titans all use Red, White, and Blue as their colors (yeah the Titans use a smatter of red and two shades of blue, and some of them also integrate gray into their uni's), and I think they would've been better served to go with an identifiable individual color scheme personally.

Speedy 07-13-2008 10:02 AM

Re: I See Red
 
Being a native Texan, and therefore an American, I kinda like red, white, and blue.

I like the color scheme just the way it is, although I would like to see the blue tops more often at home.

We get a uniform discussion about twice a year it seems, at least. And people always bring "identity" into the mix. Like the Steelers have "identity". Black and gold at home, white and gold on the road. That's it. You see that, you know it's Pittsburgh. End of discussion.

If there's anything I don't like about the Texans uniform, and really I couldn't care all that much, is that the Texans have 6 different uniform combinations. White/blue, white/white, blue/white, blue/blue, red/white, red/red....just waiting for the white/red combo. Not a whole lot of identity there. What are you, the Oregon Ducks?

Have home colors, blue/white, with the Battle Red for special once a year occasions. Wear the white/blue on the road, and be done with it, so we can stop with the fashion discussions. It's freaking football, people!

Giant Tiger 07-13-2008 11:44 AM

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Originally Posted by ReliantTexan (Post 952810)
To be honest, I like the Steel blue over white pants look. Like in week 2 against Carolina.

Totally agree :cool:

CloakNNNdagger 07-13-2008 12:23 PM

Re: I See Red
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Speedy (Post 952921)
Being a native Texan, and therefore an American, I kinda like red, white, and blue.

I like the color scheme just the way it is, although I would like to see the blue tops more often at home.

We get a uniform discussion about twice a year it seems, at least. And people always bring "identity" into the mix. Like the Steelers have "identity". Black and gold at home, white and gold on the road. That's it. You see that, you know it's Pittsburgh. End of discussion.

If there's anything I don't like about the Texans uniform, and really I couldn't care all that much, is that the Texans have 6 different uniform combinations. White/blue, white/white, blue/white, blue/blue, red/white, red/red....just waiting for the white/red combo. Not a whole lot of identity there. What are you, the Oregon Ducks?

Have home colors, blue/white, with the Battle Red for special once a year occasions. Wear the white/blue on the road, and be done with it, so we can stop with the fashion discussions. It's freaking football, people!


If we wait long enough, in addition to our red/white/blue combinations, somewhere along the line someone's going to add a cape to our uniforms and we'll be looking up in the sky trying to figure out if it's a bird.....or a plane.........or.............:banme

barrett 07-13-2008 12:25 PM

Re: I See Red
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Speedy (Post 952921)
Being a native Texan, and therefore an American, I kinda like red, white, and blue.

I like the color scheme just the way it is, although I would like to see the blue tops more often at home.

We get a uniform discussion about twice a year it seems, at least. And people always bring "identity" into the mix. Like the Steelers have "identity". Black and gold at home, white and gold on the road. That's it. You see that, you know it's Pittsburgh. End of discussion.

If there's anything I don't like about the Texans uniform, and really I couldn't care all that much, is that the Texans have 6 different uniform combinations. White/blue, white/white, blue/white, blue/blue, red/white, red/red....just waiting for the white/red combo. Not a whole lot of identity there. What are you, the Oregon Ducks?

Have home colors, blue/white, with the Battle Red for special once a year occasions. Wear the white/blue on the road, and be done with it, so we can stop with the fashion discussions. It's freaking football, people!


that was my whole point. consistancy forms identity. my biggest issue is the multiple colors too. and for that, stick with the first one. white top/blue bottom. the end.

by the way, the "Texans" colors are the same as the state flag of, uh, um, er... oh yeah, TEXAS.

dalemurphy 07-13-2008 12:31 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by barrett (Post 952958)
that was my whole point. consistancy forms identity. my biggest issue is the multiple colors too. and for that, stick with the first one. white top/blue bottom. the end.

by the way, the "Texans" colors are the same as the state flag of, uh, um, er... oh yeah, TEXAS.

Here's the real question for the off-season:

would you rather have: Salaam at LT, wearing blue and white

or

Duane Brown at LT, wearing red

or

a healthy Charles Spencer at LT, wearing bright yellow, with pink and purple pok-a-dots?

barrett 07-13-2008 12:56 PM

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it depends, would this LT match his teammate to his right? matching is very important in football.

Norg 07-13-2008 01:12 PM

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Kanas City and Arozina wear red all the time........... Nuff said

steelbtexan 07-13-2008 03:43 PM

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I wish the battle red jerseys could be worn all of the time & the white ones on special occasions. The red jerseys are the best looking jerseys they have.The sea of red creates a great atmosphere in the stands & is intimidating for our opponents.

Besides I look great in BATTLE RED.


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