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Vinny 12-15-2004 02:10 AM

Don't Expect any Coaching Changes
 
...And for good reason. I for one am glad our upper Management is going to stay the course. Click the link for the entire article.

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...If you thought wholesale changes were on the way, you're going to be disappointed. There apparently won't be a single significant change on the coaching staff or in the front office. Don't expect any flashy free-agent signings, either. "We're not one player away," general manager Charley Casserly said. "We have to keep making good, steady progress."...

...The Cleveland Browns have already torn up their blueprint twice and are working on a third.

The Carolina Panthers went to the NFC Championship Game in their second season but lost their top three football people before the start of their fourth year.

The Jacksonville Jaguars got anxious and spent their way into the playoffs. Then the salary cap forced massive cuts, and the Jags now are in danger of missing the postseason for a fifth straight year.

Even in a 5-8 season, the Texans are getting close. Sunday's nine-point loss was their largest margin of defeat in their last 14 home games.

They lost to the Vikings because they couldn't convert a third-and-two play in overtime. They failed to convert another third-and-two with the game on the line against the Colts. They lost to the Packers on the final play of the game.

All of the Texans' losses except to Detroit have come against teams that could be headed to the playoffs.

Grid 12-15-2004 03:46 AM

now THAT was a good article. Amazing how much better you can feel just by having the coaches say "yah we hear you and we understand where you are coming from"

I still am not sold on everything. I think SOME coaching changes would be a good idea. Like Joe Pendry for example. We have a barely capable Oline that needs guidance and we have a 1st year oline coach. We dont need our coaching staff growing up with the players.

Anyway.. here are some great and not so great quotes.

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Don't expect any flashy free-agent signings
poo

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They hear you muttering out there. They know you're getting anxious. They know you wanted to see more progress. They know you wonder about David Carr and about the offensive play-calling.
its just good to know they arent oblivious.

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"I know exactly what wins in this league," Capers said. "We're going to get there."
I like that a helluva lot better than "we need to execute". Least this is showing some confidence.

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If you've got questions about the offense, so do they. If you wonder why the defense hasn't made more big plays, they're right there with you
again, nice to know.

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They know they need better linebackers and maybe a young cornerback
Definatly on the LBs, I think the CB can wait another season.. Unless Rolle falls into our laps.. but i dont see that happening.

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Carr and Palmer have become adjoined at the hip by fans who believe neither is as good as advertised. Let's give them both another season.
twice he mentiones "another season".... if the press is saying it too, then i wonder if the 5 year plan has even an inkling of a chance if we dont really show improvement next season. Sounds like year 4 better be good or we get someone else.

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He has an unshakable vision. He wants to run the ball and play smash-mouth football. He'd rather be the Steelers than the Eagles
YEEEESSSSSS!!!!!!!! this quote just MADE the article for me. Capers for president! get that man a running back!


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He'd probably like to add a big running back and another impact wide receiver during the offseason. The offensive line will also be evaluated.
Ronnie Brown? Another impact WR.. hmm.. anyone gonna be available in free agency? And thank god for some Oline evaluation. Im a big supporter of the change to zone blocking.. and if it really can work I hope we stick with it. But at the behest of others ive been looking at some other zone blocking lines.. and our guys are like 30-50 pounds heavier than the olinemen on that line. Makes me really wonder if we DONT have the personel for that kind of scheme.


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But the Texans' first priority is adding stars to the defensive front seven. Then they would be convinced that these close losses will become victories.
hmm.. ok.. ..hmm

So, big RB, impact WR, and a star or two for the front seven.. but no flashy FA pickups? I hope Casserly plans on pulling some 1st rounders out of his rear then. Good luck getting an impact WR outside of the second round. Heck.. may be hard outside of the first round with this draft. I only know of 2 big bodied RBs coming out in this draft worth looking at, and Brown is the only one that looks really promising.. he will be a high 1st rounder(the other is Eric Shelton from Louisville.. assuming he comes out. I suppose Kay Jay would be one too, but he is a bit old for a rookie RB). And stars for the front seven? That could possibly be done in the second third and fourth.. but to get a REAL star which is what we need.. it would have to be a 1st rounder.

So we either need to come up with 3 first rounders (yah right).. or make at least ONE flashy FA signing.

hell.. whatever.. im still high on him wanting to make us like the Steelers :). I love how the steelers play.

Ibar_Harry 12-15-2004 04:05 AM

Again I will say why did they draft Carr. They want to run the ball and to hell with passing. Again, I say that because Carr's forte is not handing off the ball to a running back. Vinny would say he doesn't even fake well. If you buy the line they are giving you, I think you might like a Brooklyn Bridge offer. If the next three games are excellent examples of what we have seen so far this season, then I think you might be surprised at what happens. I think this article is the kiss of death for Capers. Someone is feeling the heat or you wouldn't see an article like this. They say they hear what the fans are saying, but are they really. They always have an excuse for not doing something. I think this is what the players have been eluding too also. The team is flat over coached. No one knows what the H,,,,,,,,, they are doing on any given play. They are frozen stiff with coaching wisdom.

ThaShark316 12-15-2004 04:53 AM

I said this to my dad a few days ago...Johnson,another big play WR (I WISH BENNETT WAS A FREE AGENT!!) and Gaffney would kill opposing defenses. A big RB? hmmmm i dunno who,it'll be interesting to see who they get,if anyone. About the Defensive stars...I wish,I wish and oh yeah,I wish. Although I hate the conservative play-calling,I don't want Palmer/Capers gone...Maybe if we were a team that had a certain winning tradition...maybe i'd want a change,but now? That's an emphatic NO!! With the 3-4 (My favorite defense),I just think if it were a lil more aggressive,the D would be better...but our Takeaways would decrease,on the flip side,sacks would go up (a la Pittsburgh). I still think a 3-4/4-3 switch could actually help the defense.

Ok,rant over

-Tha Shark

rhc564 12-15-2004 05:42 AM

"I promise you we're going to get there," Capers said.
 
"Hey,Capers," can you give us an idea of when??

This article is depressing and pretty much says the first 3 years have
not built the foundation we were promise, as Casserly and Capers want
new players at--

-defensive line
-linebacker
-cornerback

-offensive line
-running back
-wide receiver

Many board members bring up the valid point that 'new' players need time
to fit in before they can make a major postive contribution-- if so, in light
of the many posisitions we need new personnel at, what are Capers and
Casserly really hinting at but not wanting to say?

I get the feeling that our time frame to be a winning team--let alone a
playoff team-- just got extended... :thud:

Grid 12-15-2004 05:59 AM

I seriously doubt it. That article eluded to next season a couple of times. I think next season we will be expecting results.."or else"

Hell.. even McNair said in an interview earlier this year that we are a more capable team and should be able to go 8-8.. or something to that effect anyway. SO.. I think that if we dont post a winning record next year.. we will be looking at coaching changes.

If not.. then I think we will start to see our valuable players jumping ship when their contract expires.. which im sure will also lead to quick coaching changes.

The only way I can see our staff posting another losing record and getting away with it.. is if we lose with alot of heart :P.. similar to the last two seasons, but playing better at the same time. That at least would show improvement, and the players buying into what the coaches are selling. If we have a losing record and the same lack of heart we have had this year.. Capers is gonna be a D coordinator again. And I wouldnt be surprised to see Fangio and Palmers go with him.. and a complete changing of the guard for our "new beginning"

I hope Capers pulls it off though.. I dont WANT to start over.. starting over is something you do 10 years down the road when your stars get old and retire.. starting over again would mean another few seasons to get on track, then a couple seasons of winning records, then another little rebuilding stage before we REALLY get to where we want to be. Not only that but I WANT to be the Steelers hehe :). If i could slap the Steelers in Texans uniforms id be a happy man.

nunusguy 12-15-2004 08:18 AM

"During a 23-14 loss to Indianapolis, Carr didn't throw a single deep ball."

Still difficult for me to understand.

"Even in a 5-8 season, the Texans are getting close. Sunday's nine-point loss was their largest margin of defeat in their last 14 home games."

They gotta be kidding, in their third season they are reduced to bragging about margin of loss in home games. I think I understand why they don't want
to touch the subject of margin of loss on the road. It takes a calculator.


Here's the bottom line: unless they win 2 of these last 3 games I don't think they can make a cogent case that they've shown even slight progress from
year 2 to year 3. So just what is it about going from year 3 to year 4 that
they see a potential in us making this quantum leap from being a less than average team to a contender ? We won't be drafting as high after this season as we were in the first 2 and, like everyone else, we're on the verge of having cap issues for the first time.

Marcus 12-15-2004 08:43 AM

There is another line in that article that needs repeating.
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Change is not the same as progress. Unless teams have hired incompetents and the Texans haven't the best course is to allow people to execute their plan. Otherwise, you're like the Washington Redskins. You start over every summer and never get anywhere.
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This isn't what you wanted to hear, is it?
I'm not disappointed with the article, but I'm very disappointed with the response to the article.

This obvious lack of patience can be forgiven if you're one of the youngins that weren't around during the Oiler days. But if you're one of those ex-Oiler fans like me, then obviously you've forgotten how your beloved Bud Adams delivered all those 1-15 and 3-13 seasons by changing the coaching staff every year. Funny how he didn't wise up until he moved the team to Tennessee.

But then, maybe some of you like the way they run the Redskins. idonno:

HJam72 12-15-2004 08:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Grid
So, big RB, impact WR, and a star or two for the front seven.. but no flashy FA pickups? I hope Casserly plans on pulling some 1st rounders out of his rear then. Good luck getting an impact WR outside of the second round. Heck.. may be hard outside of the first round with this draft. I only know of 2 big bodied RBs coming out in this draft worth looking at, and Brown is the only one that looks really promising.. he will be a high 1st rounder(the other is Eric Shelton from Louisville.. assuming he comes out. I suppose Kay Jay would be one too, but he is a bit old for a rookie RB). And stars for the front seven? That could possibly be done in the second third and fourth.. but to get a REAL star which is what we need.. it would have to be a 1st rounder.

So we either need to come up with 3 first rounders (yah right).. or make at least ONE flashy FA signing.

hell.. whatever.. im still high on him wanting to make us like the Steelers :). I love how the steelers play.

I believe they were saying that Capers wants to focus on the front 7 of the defense in this next draft (and maybe FA). The other stuff, like WR, RB, etc., was, I believe just saying what he would LIKE to have. In other words, what he wishes he could go out and get this offseason, but knows he'll have to wait AT LEAST another year. He's looking at drafting front 7 on D.

I think the O-line needs attention, but I'm afraid that that will mean new players once again learning the zone blocking scheme, so I don't know.

Also, there is, in fact, an insinuation that they know they better do better next year, but we're not talking AFC Championship here. I think they mean that next year may be a 9-7 year, so don't give up on them just yet. It may mean playoffs, but not real far into them.

Someone mentioned that the last game was not something to take any pride in at all and that Capers should never say anything positive about it, but you have to remember that Payton Manning is setting records, man. That guy may go down as the best ever. Think about that. Montana, Marino, Elway, Unitas, Bart Starr, Young, Staubach, Stabler, Farve, that guy from the 70's Steelers whom I ALWAYS remember but can't ever remember his stupid name, etc., etc. He may just outdo them all. They're calling him the smartest QB ever and they're right. Holding him to 23 points is pretty darn good for a 3rd year team.

Take notice, though that he did say he would LIKE a better RB. DD may be a starter again next year, but who knows when he'll get relegated to 3rd down back.

The thing about the Steelers got me too. I know this is out of left field, but I'd like to see Jerome Bettis on this team right now, so we can really find out how much he's "....got left in the tank."

infantrycak 12-15-2004 09:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Ibar_Harry
Again I will say why did they draft Carr. They want to run the ball and to hell with passing. Again, I say that because Carr's forte is not handing off the ball to a running back. Vinny would say he doesn't even fake well. If you buy the line they are giving you, I think you might like a Brooklyn Bridge offer. If the next three games are excellent examples of what we have seen so far this season, then I think you might be surprised at what happens. I think this article is the kiss of death for Capers. Someone is feeling the heat or you wouldn't see an article like this. They say they hear what the fans are saying, but are they really. They always have an excuse for not doing something. I think this is what the players have been eluding too also. The team is flat over coached. No one knows what the H,,,,,,,,, they are doing on any given play. They are frozen stiff with coaching wisdom.

Wow, yet another good example of having a pet theory (or is that diatribe) and reading its confirmation into every piece of information that passes by.

Sure they're frozen stiff with coaching wisdom when Wand was getting treated like a turnstyle, Carr was clearly thinking about Palmer's last comments to him as he took two steps back and got waylaid for the 3rd time by Freeney, I am sure Sharper was puzzling over a technique tip from Fangio when he decided he doesn't need to wrap up tackles anymore and I am sure Walker was paralyzed with thought from Fangio's instruction to hit Manning hard while he played patticakes with the Colts OL all day. Riiiigghhtt.

HJam72 12-15-2004 09:21 AM

Trying to draft a star QB is not a mistake, no matter what your offensive tendencies will be. They want to pass. They just couldn't. I had a problem with them not passing a lot at one time earlier this season, but, at that time, they had adequate (not great) pass protection, Carr was hitting Johnson, and every time they ran the ball, it was pathetic. I figured why run it at all? All of their ability at that time was in the passing game, so I wanted them to pass the freaking ball, lol. If you can run successfully....good, do it! I see the perfect offense as one that runs 50% of the time and passes 50% of the time, getting 150 yds. rushing and 400 yds. passing (not even yardage passing and rushing). Remember, this is the perfect offense. Every coach is going to want to pass at least some of the time. Certainly more than what they did successfully in this last game. Every coach rightfully wants a star QB. It NEVER hurts.

TheOgre 12-15-2004 09:36 AM

I really don't see how one offseason can turn us into a Super Bowl contender. We might be a playoff team, but we need at least two offseasons to get the talent on our team we need to be consistently great.

Cincinnatikid 12-15-2004 11:54 AM

This team does need some changes but it is not as far off as you all think. The two lines need a little help, but on offense they are finally run blocking, so maybe a little more time and the pass blocking will come. A couple new guys wouldnt hurt. The Dline needs some help, and a rookie can play right away on the line because there arent really any new techniques or anything they have to adjust to in the NFL. Plus, Payne is playing well again. Linebackers, they need someone in the middle, and maybe Wong will be able to slide over there. They have Peek and Babin on the outside which is fine. DB's are pretty good, maybe another CB or a hard hitting safety. Receivers, they dont really need much. They have three, Johnson Gaffney and Armstrong. Running back needs some help but we all know that. This team is not far off in terms of talent, they just need to execute and the coaches need to let them loose. They need to take chances on offense, and teach carr how to beat a cover 2. They need to let the defense play, get rid of all the zone, trust the CBs and let the LBs blitz (and some cornerback/saftey blitzes). They arent in as bad of shape as everyone thinks

Fiddy 12-15-2004 11:57 AM

The Texans are on a four year plan and that is what the organization has said from day one so I am willing to wait cause it is only year 3...

pek281 12-15-2004 12:05 PM

I agree to "stay the course".

I remember way back when, when the Texans were introduced to us, owner McNair said he envisioned a four year plan of making the playoffs. That plan envisioned us being very strong on both lines, but injuries, etc, etc threw us a curve-ball on that.

Witha strong draft, some off-season free agent moves, improvements on the lines, I think we have a realistic chance of being competitive next year with the staff we have in place.

(Now that I've read ALL posts, I see I just repeated what Fiddy said)

OzzO 12-15-2004 12:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Marcus
...But then, maybe some of you like the way they run the Redskins. idonno:

BOO YAH!!! Owned!!! :heh:

Thanks for the link Vinny, interesting they noted other methods used by teams if fans prefer that method... yearly change, buy in, start completely over.. etc.

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Originally Posted by rhc564
This article is depressing and pretty much says the first 3 years have
not built the foundation we were promise, as Casserly and Capers want
new players at--

not a foundation? QB, WR, CBs, both lines (while not quality, a start)... I thinnk it's looking for depth and / or improvement now.

El Tejano 12-15-2004 02:30 PM

I said all along from the beginning that this a 7-9 to 8-8 team. That being said playoffs is not a word that should be used at this time. Recently, we all swallowed the harsh reality of that. Yes, play has been bad but at times it has been good this season. You have to like the fact our players are no longer accepting losses. Trust me, there are teams out there where the fans can say their team has no heart in them whatsoever. That cannot be said of our team. Two more wins gets to my expectations.

If we win the next two road games, that means we went 4-4 on the road. That is improvement. If we win all 3 games we are 8-8 going .500 in both road and home games. Still a big improvement. Point is there are still alot of ifs remaining in this season.

The Giants, Bears, Redskins, Cardinals, Bills, Browns, Raiders. They all had coaching changes and all they have done is prolong their playoff hopes and reqular season worries.

The teams that have stuck to their guns have made it through and are succeeding. As much as I hate to say it because I hate this team with all I got, the Steelers are the poster child for sticking with your coaching staff.

The front office said four years. Let's give it four years. We know this team is capable of winning and we just need for them to play like that for three more games. If the 4th year stinks, make the coaching change. But if it is better record wise these coaches should be able to stay.

Hottoddie 12-15-2004 02:41 PM

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But the Texans' first priority is adding stars to the defensive front seven. Then they would be convinced that these close losses will become victories.
I've posted this before, but this quote reaffirms my belief that they'll upgrade the DL through free agency.

Shaun Rogers (DT) of Detroit. If they don't Franchise him, I'd make a strong run at him. He went to UT & his hometown is LaPorte, Texas. If the price is right, playing in front of the hometown might convince him to sign here. Slide Payne over to LE, stick Rogers in the NT position, & we have a nice young defensive line with size, power, & speed.

If Detroit should Franchise Rogers, then we could make a run at his backup (Marcus Bell). Or, we could go after one of their starting OL, Dominic Raiola (C) & Stockar McDougle (RT). We don't really need another RT, but both are unrestricted. If backup QB is a concern, Mike McMahon is also unrestricted.

There are other available FA's, but Rogers looks to be an up & coming young star.

TexansNFL 12-15-2004 03:03 PM

The article is amazing because of the real message that got delivered. Now we know that the Texans need a new front seven on defense, a new cornerback...on offense we need a new RB, TE, WR...so it looks that the only position that has job security is the QB...then what does that say about Casserly's decision over the past three years in building this team? Aren't we supposed to be building a nucleus of players for the future? Are we saying that we don't have good players? or is it the coaches trying to blame the players?

El Tejano 12-15-2004 03:03 PM

Yeah, he has been impressive but who else would they Franchise if not him?


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