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Lucky 05-19-2008 05:35 PM

OTAs
 
Kubiak had some interesting things to say, including a reference to another Texan injury.

Quote:

(on DT Travis Johnson) “Well, I’m concerned. He’s missed a lot of time. He’s got the inflammation in the pelvic area, is the best way I can describe it. He’s way behind the team from a physical standpoint. Nothing he can do; they’ve had him resting. Before I put him on the football field, I want to make sure he catches up with his teammates conditioning-wise, so you’ll just see him conditioning at the time.”


(on where DT Travis Johnson’s injury came from) “Well, it’s kind of been something’s that bothered him before and then it crept up again back in February, early March. And we’ve tried a few different scenarios. He had an injection the other day that we’re waiting to see how he recovers from. He has felt better. He ran Friday, he ran today, so we’ll see.”
Inflammation in the pelvic area. Ouch.

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(on if T Charles Spencer will join group drills before training camp) “Well, what we’re going to do this week is kind of take him in the same pattern we did during mini-camp. He’ll do a little bit. At some point here, we’re fixing to turn him loose. I’ll let y’all know when that is, and then we’ll see how he responds.”
I'll believe it when I see it.

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(on if he has considered moving RB Chris Taylor to fullback) “No. I think you need a player that you think can maybe play a little bit of both spots when you go to game day because it helps you just suit so many players, but at this point we’ve got enough guys, so we’ll leave him where he’s at.”
Taylor at FB? He doesn't look anything like a FB. Did McFly, I mean McClain, ask that question?

aj. 05-19-2008 06:00 PM

Re: OTAs: Day 1
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Lucky (Post 921039)
Taylor at FB? He doesn't look anything like a FB. Did McFly, I mean McClain, ask that question?

The question was probably asked because of the RB numbers game and the fact that we saw Taylor get reps at FB during OTAs last year (with Leach and Cook healthy). Maybe they were just fill-in reps but they were reps and someone remembered it. Kubiak does a lot more with his FBs than simply lead blocking out of the I. There's probably a 'stupider' question out there that I could come up with if given a minute or two.

JWarren14 05-19-2008 06:01 PM

Re: OTAs: Day 1
 
I like what Kubes said about Gibbs:

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“Well, he’s demanding. He doesn’t just coach his offensive linemen, he coaches everybody. He coaches the backs, the quarterbacks, he coaches me, he coaches the running back coach. He’s demanding on everybody for his run game to work, and that’s why it’s been successful.”
Im really pumped to see the running game September 7th at Heinz Field :wild:

BornOrange 05-19-2008 06:15 PM

Re: OTAs: Day 1
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Lucky (Post 921039)
Taylor at FB? He doesn't look anything like a FB. Did McFly, I mean McClain, ask that question?

Kubiak happens to think he looks like a fullback, at least he did last year.
Last year at OTA's

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Taylor to fullback?: Don’t expect to see it anytime soon, but Chris Taylor has seen time at fullback throughout OTA’s.

Kubiak noted the depth at running back after Tuesday’s workout and said Wednesday that Taylor could be a candidate to play fullback at some point in his career.

“I think Chris Taylor has the size that he can play that spot some, but I feel good about Vonta (Leach) and I feel good about Jameel (Cook) coming back and I like the way Joel Dreessen has been working there along with the young kid (Cory) Anderson so we have enough people there.”

But considering that Taylor finds himself in a dog fight for position on the depth chart behind Ahman Green and Ron Dayne at running back, his perceived versatility may give him an edge when the 53-man roster is announced come August.

“When we do practice we do work Chris in there a bit at that position,” Kubiak said.

BornOrange 05-19-2008 06:23 PM

Re: OTAs: Day 1
 
:confused: BTW, when I first heard that Travis Johnson had "pelvic inflammation" I was concerned that he had a little too much fun on his honeymoon. But seeing that he started having the problem back in February, I don't know what to think....:confused:

aj. 05-19-2008 06:29 PM

Re: OTAs: Day 1
 
Maybe it's revised code for anal fissure.

BornOrange 05-19-2008 06:36 PM

Re: OTAs: Day 1
 
I seriously doubt there is or ever has been any connection between Johnson's pelvis and Matsui's anus.

Not that there's anything wrong with that..........

PapaL 05-19-2008 06:57 PM

Re: OTAs: Day 1
 
Got Penicillin?

Lucky 05-19-2008 07:07 PM

Re: OTAs: Day 1
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by BornOrange (Post 921058)
Kubiak happens to think he looks like a fullback, at least he did last year.

That Taylor might take some reps doesn't mean he's in for a position change. Taylor looks like a FB the same as Jameel Cook looks like a RB. And Cook actually had to play RB in an emergency situation, last season. Why not ask if Cook is being moved to RB?

TEXANRED 05-19-2008 08:04 PM

Re: OTAs: Day 1
 
Quote:

(on DT Travis Johnson) “Well, I’m concerned. He’s missed a lot of time. He’s got the inflammation in the pelvic area, is the best way I can describe it. He’s way behind the team from a physical standpoint. Nothing he can do; they’ve had him resting. Before I put him on the football field, I want to make sure he catches up with his teammates conditioning-wise, so you’ll just see him conditioning at the time.”


(on where DT Travis Johnson’s injury came from) “Well, it’s kind of been something’s that bothered him before and then it crept up again back in February, early March. And we’ve tried a few different scenarios. He had an injection the other day that we’re waiting to see how he recovers from. He has felt better. He ran Friday, he ran today, so we’ll see.”
The door for Okam just keeps opening a little wider by the day.

Which is good b/c he needs a pretty big opening to get through it.

BornOrange 05-20-2008 07:19 AM

Re: OTAs: Day 1
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Lucky (Post 921087)
That Taylor might take some reps doesn't mean he's in for a position change. Taylor looks like a FB the same as Jameel Cook looks like a RB. And Cook actually had to play RB in an emergency situation, last season. Why not ask if Cook is being moved to RB?

I'm just quoting Kubiak. And we both agree that Taylor isn't a true fullback.
However, Kubiak tends to like smaller fullbacks.

Remember that Denver moved Mike Anderson to fullback a few years back. He is listed at 6-0 and 230 now, but at the time of the move I don't think he was quite that heavy.

Kubiak went into his first season as a head coach with Jameel Cook as the only fullback on the roster. We would both agree that Cook isn't an ideal fullback. Vonta Leach wasn't signed until October. Kubiak cut Moran Norris in May, although he, like Leach, seems to be what we all want in a fullback.

nunusguy 05-20-2008 07:58 AM

Re: OTAs: Day 1
 
Why are people so caught up in the idea of Taylor of playing FB ? If
its because he's about 220 lbs, so what ? If he's 245 he's still got to be
able to block, right ? Can he block ?
As far as drafting Okam, I always wondered if TJ wasn't the biggest reason for the pick and not whether or not Okam was a value in the 5th round ?
TJs performance while here has been very inconsistant, and given that he is really more suited to play AOs position as a 3-technique type and not next to him as a 2-gapper was further reason to take Okam.
Now this medical issue is just one more reason to wonder about TJs future in Houston ?

edo783 05-20-2008 08:44 AM

Re: OTAs: Day 1
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by nunusguy (Post 921241)
Why are people so caught up in the idea of Taylor of playing FB ?

I think it comes from folks wanting him on the team and trying to figure a way to get him there with all the RBs we have. Besides, Cook isn't to good anyway.

HOU-TEX 05-20-2008 08:52 AM

Re: OTAs: Day 1
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by nunusguy (Post 921241)
Why are people so caught up in the idea of Taylor of playing FB ? If
its because he's about 220 lbs, so what ? If he's 245 he's still got to be
able to block, right ? Can he block ?
As far as drafting Okam, I always wondered if TJ wasn't the biggest reason for the pick and not whether or not Okam was a value in the 5th round ?
TJs performance while here has been very inconsistant, and given that he is really more suited to play AOs position as a 3-technique type and not next to him as a 2-gapper was further reason to take Okam.
Now this medical issue is just one more reason to wonder about TJs future in Houston ?

I don't wonder about his future here. I happen to think he's a pretty good ball player. As many times as I've watched this past season's games, TJ's the last DT I'd point blame at. I do like the fact we got Okam to better fullfill the NT position, but IMO Okoye has to make that step otherwise we'll be in the same boat as last season. Maddox, Zgonina, etc. aren't the answer either.

IMO, TJ's our best DT on the roster after last season. It all depends on whether Amobi can take that next step.

:fans:

Vinny 05-20-2008 09:23 AM

Re: OTAs: Day 1
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by aj. (Post 921050)
Kubiak does a lot more with his FBs than simply lead blocking out of the I.

Quote:

Originally Posted by BornOrange (Post 921234)
I'm just quoting Kubiak. And we both agree that Taylor isn't a true fullback.
However, Kubiak tends to like smaller fullbacks.

Remember that Denver moved Mike Anderson to fullback a few years back. He is listed at 6-0 and 230 now, but at the time of the move I don't think he was quite that heavy.

Kubiak went into his first season as a head coach with Jameel Cook as the only fullback on the roster. We would both agree that Cook isn't an ideal fullback. Vonta Leach wasn't signed until October. Kubiak cut Moran Norris in May, although he, like Leach, seems to be what we all want in a fullback.

Quote:

Originally Posted by nunusguy (Post 921241)
Why are people so caught up in the idea of Taylor of playing FB ? If
its because he's about 220 lbs, so what ? If he's 245 he's still got to be
able to block, right ? Can he block ?

Sure he needs to block but we don't tend to use the FB as a smash mouth blocking back all that much. Like aj touched on, Kubiak uses the FB all over the field and a bit like a H-back and thats one reason I was hoping we would go after a guy like Jacob Hester if he was around later in the draft. Hester is about the same size as Taylor fwiw. Hester combined with Tomlinson and Gates at TE....who needs wrs? Norv Turner died and went to heaven.

dalemurphy 05-20-2008 10:38 AM

Re: OTAs: Day 1
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Vinny (Post 921290)
Sure he needs to block but we don't tend to use the FB as a smash mouth blocking back all that much. Like aj touched on, Kubiak uses the FB all over the field and a bit like a H-back and thats one reason I was hoping we would go after a guy like Jacob Hester if he was around later in the draft. Hester is about the same size as Taylor fwiw. Hester combined with Tomlinson and Gates at TE....who needs wrs? Norv Turner died and went to heaven.


Yeah, I think the point is, whatever you label C.Taylor, he needs to make this team. If that means he's one of four TBs on the roster and we only have one FB, then fine. With the injury history of Chris Brown and AGreen, they can't cut him loose.

My bet is, if everyone makes it out of camp healthy, Taylor will be one of four HBs on the roster, we'll keep one FB, and, John Abbate will be on the practice squad for insurance.

Texans_Chick 05-20-2008 10:45 AM

Re: OTAs: Day 1
 
Quote:

(on DT Travis Johnson) “Well, I’m concerned. He’s missed a lot of time. He’s got the inflammation in the pelvic area, is the best way I can describe it. He’s way behind the team from a physical standpoint. Nothing he can do; they’ve had him resting. Before I put him on the football field, I want to make sure he catches up with his teammates conditioning-wise, so you’ll just see him conditioning at the time.”


(on where DT Travis Johnson’s injury came from) “Well, it’s kind of been something’s that bothered him before and then it crept up again back in February, early March. And we’ve tried a few different scenarios. He had an injection the other day that we’re waiting to see how he recovers from. He has felt better. He ran Friday, he ran today, so we’ll see.”
These quotes from the HT.com quotes are an illustration of why you should read HT.com before reading anything from the Chronicle.

Here's an excerpt from Manfull's article:

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In other news, defensive tackle Travis Johnson returned to the team after missing the minicamp two weeks ago for his wedding. Johnson did not join his teammates on the field though.

The Texans are monitoring a pelvic injury. They are unsure how long it will sideline Johnson.

"Well, I'm concerned," Kubiak said. "He's missed a lot of time. He's got the inflammation in the pelvic area, is the best way I can describe it. He's way behind the team from a physical standpoint. Nothing he can do; they've had him resting.

"Before I put him on the football field, I want to make sure he catches up with his teammates conditioning-wise, so you'll just see him conditioning at the time."
It's written in a way to invite ridicule. Ha ha, Travis did his wedding instead of minicamp and now he has an inflamed pelvis.

If you read all the quotes at HT.com, you would know that he has had this problem for a while, inclulding in the months of February and March.

Thank goodness for the Texans putting all the quotes on their website, so you can get a more complete view of things. I realize the Chronicle has limited space in the paper to put stories down and that their deadlines are tight, but I don't care for writing that possibly misleads a reader.

nunusguy 05-20-2008 11:30 AM

Re: OTAs: Day 1
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Vinny (Post 921290)
Sure he needs to block but we don't tend to use the FB as a smash mouth blocking back all that much. Like aj touched on, Kubiak uses the FB all over the field and a bit like a H-back

Good point. And since our FBs catch the ball out of the backfield, they have
to be able to block and act as a receiver. And that may make Taylors qualifications to play FB in our system even more dubious because I have no idea if he's got any hands ? So that's in addition to questions about his blocking skills ?

thunderkyss 05-20-2008 11:47 AM

Re: OTAs: Day 1
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by nunusguy (Post 921241)
TJs... ...and given that he is really more suited to play AOs position as a 3-technique type and not next to him as a 2-gapper was further reason to take Okam.

I said the same thing when we drafted Okam, and was told I didn't know what I was talking about.

The Pencil Neck 05-20-2008 11:52 AM

Re: OTAs: Day 1
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by thunderkyss (Post 921415)
I said the same thing when we drafted Okam, and was told I didn't know what I was talking about.

I said this before we drafted Okam. With pretty much the same result.


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