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Dallas_Texan 05-13-2008 04:34 PM

Okam
 
Okam question from someone who doesn't watch UT football:

How was the rest of Okam's line at UT? Is it possible that the rest of his line made him look better, or was he the superstar on that line? Just wondering.

TexansFanatic 05-13-2008 04:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Dallas_Texan (Post 918028)
Okam question from someone who doesn't watch UT football:

How was the rest of Okam's line at UT? Is it possible that the rest of his line made him look better, or was he the superstar on that line? Just wondering.

I'm a big Longhorn fan. I can tell you that Okam was a 5-star recruit coming out of high school and he did extremely well his first couple of years at Texas. He underwent a coaching transition that took him from being an attacking monster to being a load meant to take up space and allow the linebackers to make the plays. I believe he is one of the bigtime steals of this entire draft. Can't wait for him to prove me right.

Dallas_Texan 05-13-2008 04:55 PM

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Originally Posted by TexansFanatic (Post 918037)
I'm a big Longhorn fan. I can tell you that Okam was a 5-star recruit coming out of high school and he did extremely well his first couple of years at Texas. He underwent a coaching transition that took him from being an attacking monster to being a load meant to take up space and allow the linebackers to make the plays. I believe he is one of the bigtime steals of this entire draft. Can't wait for him to prove me right.

I second that!

bah007 05-13-2008 06:11 PM

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Orakpo was the best player on that line. He was injured a lot of last year after taking an illegal chop block.

But Okam's job was to take up blockers so the sub-par LBs could have a 50% chance of making a play, which they usually didn't do.

Big Lou 05-13-2008 06:38 PM

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Yeh, he was a stud the first couple of years, and then due to his change in role it really seemed to prevent him from playing to his strengths. i think if they hadn't changed the defensive scheme he could have been a first day pick on draft day.

swtbound07 05-13-2008 07:01 PM

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Originally Posted by bah007 (Post 918078)
Orakpo was the best player on that line. He was injured a lot of last year after taking an illegal chop block.

But Okam's job was to take up blockers so the sub-par LBs could have a 50% chance of making a play, which they usually didn't do.

Bobino is ANYTHING but a sub-par linebacker.

nunusguy 05-13-2008 07:08 PM

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Was he a starter back when he was a sophomore and if so how did he match
up against an outstanding USC OLine in the Championship Rose Bowl game ?
I dunno for sure, but I seem to recall that several members of that USC interior OLine were drafted high into the NFL ?

TexanSam 05-13-2008 07:19 PM

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Originally Posted by swtbound07 (Post 918093)
Bobino is ANYTHING but a sub-par linebacker.

Yeah, but guys like Robert Killebrew were.

Goldensilence 05-13-2008 07:29 PM

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For someone who had "dropped off" his senior year he posted his best statistical year.

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Voted a captain by his teammates, Okam earned one of the Dr. Nasser Al-Rashid Strength and Conditioning Awards and was named one of UT's Outstanding Defensive Linemen. He picked up first-team All-Big 12 and Academic All-Big 12 honors as a senior in 2007, starting all 13 games. He recorded a career-high 52 tackles (25 solos) with five sacks and 11 stops behind the line of scrimmage. He generated 16 pressures with five pass deflections, a fumble recovery and a forced fumble.
http://cbs.sportsline.com/nfl/players/draft/517028

Consider this while he was the anchor of the line Texas was usually in the top 15 in run defense.

Nunusguy,

I recall him getting a sack against that vaunted line and probably helped stop that critical 4th down run late in the game against USC.

TexansFanatic 05-13-2008 08:01 PM

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Originally Posted by nunusguy (Post 918096)
Was he a starter back when he was a sophomore and if so how did he match
up against an outstanding USC OLine in the Championship Rose Bowl game ?
I dunno for sure, but I seem to recall that several members of that USC interior OLine were drafted high into the NFL ?

A portion of the 2006 Rose Bowl writeup on Wikipedia:
"...a Reggie Bush 12-yard run took the Trojans to the Texas 13-yard line with 40 seconds to play in the half. However, two sacks by defensive tackle Frank Okam pushed Southern California back 13 yards and forced the Trojans to use two timeouts. Consequently, a Danelo 43-yard field goal allowed USC three points, and the half ended with Texas still ahead, the score then 16-10."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2006_Rose_Bowl

A pic of Okam taking down Leinert in January of 2006:
http://cache.viewimages.com/xc/56534...0A659CEC4C8CB6

dalemurphy 05-13-2008 08:11 PM

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Originally Posted by swtbound07 (Post 918093)
Bobino is ANYTHING but a sub-par linebacker.



I was very excited about the Okam pick... UNTIL, a certain poster reminded me the endless parade of UT homer posts that will follow the player around his entire career and 3 years after the guys is retired from football.

My greatest wish as a sports fan is for a Texan Superbowl, or series of them. A close second has to be for the complete demolition of the UT football program. That way, maybe these ridiculous fans in Austin can learn to appreciate a real coach and actually learn the game of basketball instead of polluting football with their ludicrous homerisms.

DocBar 05-13-2008 08:12 PM

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I love it when we draft under the radar like this and give the talking head aholes at ESPiN heartburn when we don't draft like they think we should(as if they've ever watched more than highlight clips of the Texans) and give us poor draft grades. In another 2 years or so, Smithiak will be renowned around the country for their ability to find the draft day diamonds, ala Bill Belichik. I think we had a GREAT draft and got some bigtime players.

Hardcore Texan 05-13-2008 08:13 PM

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I watch a lot of UT football, I am big fan, I think he was quite a steal where we got him. On top of his massive size, football instincts, and atheleticism for a big man, he is a very smart dude, the kind of headsy player Kubiak and Smith really like and for good reason. I really like this pick.

Hardcore Texan 05-13-2008 08:16 PM

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Originally Posted by DocBar (Post 918123)
I love it when we draft under the radar like this and give the talking head aholes at ESPiN heartburn when we don't draft like they think we should(as if they've ever watched more than highlight clips of the Texans) and give us poor draft grades. In another 2 years or so, Smithiak will be renowned around the country for their ability to find the draft day diamonds, ala Bill Belichik. I think we had a GREAT draft and got some bigtime players.

Great post, I have been telling a good friend of mine this for at least two years.

HJam72 05-13-2008 08:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Hardcore Texan (Post 918125)
Great post, I have been telling a good friend of mine this for at least two years.

Yeah, well, I've been telling people that for like 6 years now, and....wait, I shouldn't've told you that. Nevermind. :headhurts::gun:

TexansFanatic 05-13-2008 08:33 PM

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Originally Posted by HJam72 (Post 918128)
Yeah, well, I've been telling people that for like 6 years now, and....wait, I shouldn't've told you that. Nevermind. :headhurts::gun:

Fortunately, there's a new sheriff in town. This team is going to be good. Hang in there....won't be long now.

DocBar 05-13-2008 08:34 PM

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Originally Posted by HJam72 (Post 918128)
Yeah, well, I've been telling people that for like 6 years now, and....wait, I shouldn't've told you that. Nevermind. :headhurts::gun:

Starting with the LARGE huevos it took to take Mario, to the guts to trade for Schaub AND draft ANOTHER (stud) D lineman in the first last year, Smith and Kubes have what it takes to make the right decision for our team and to hell with what everyone else thinks. This team is FINALLY getting over the train wreck of CC and co. IMHO, things are going to get real interesting, year in and year out, in January for Texans football.

dalemurphy 05-13-2008 08:51 PM

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Originally Posted by DocBar (Post 918134)
Starting with the LARGE huevos it took to take Mario, to the guts to trade for Schaub AND draft ANOTHER (stud) D lineman in the first last year, Smith and Kubes have what it takes to make the right decision for our team and to hell with what everyone else thinks. This team is FINALLY getting over the train wreck of CC and co. IMHO, things are going to get real interesting, year in and year out, in January for Texans football.


Well, the biggest difference is what they do with the middle round picks. These guys are gold in the 2nd - 4th rounds.
On the other hand, I believe Casserly had a value placed on each round and it was something like having a 25% shot at a 3rd rounder cracking your lineup. It's one of the reasons he was so sloppy handing out those picks. And, perhaps that was his ratio: to hit 1 of every 4 in the 3rd, but it's not what these guys do!

DocBar 05-13-2008 09:11 PM

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Originally Posted by dalemurphy (Post 918142)
Well, the biggest difference is what they do with the middle round picks. These guys are gold in the 2nd - 4th rounds.
On the other hand, I believe Casserly had a value placed on each round and it was something like having a 25% shot at a 3rd rounder cracking your lineup. It's one of the reasons he was so sloppy handing out those picks. And, perhaps that was his ratio: to hit 1 of every 4 in the 3rd, but it's not what these guys do!

I can go with that to a point, but your really good personnel guys get it done throughout the draft. They draft players not X pick in Y round. It's almost like he just didn't really care after the 2nd round or so. Smith and co. are working their butts off and doing their job from way before draft day til after it's over and getting good UFA's. This is something I'm very happy getting used to.

TexansFanatic 05-13-2008 09:15 PM

Re: Okam
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by dalemurphy (Post 918142)
Well, the biggest difference is what they do with the middle round picks. These guys are gold in the 2nd - 4th rounds.
On the other hand, I believe Casserly had a value placed on each round and it was something like having a 25% shot at a 3rd rounder cracking your lineup. It's one of the reasons he was so sloppy handing out those picks. And, perhaps that was his ratio: to hit 1 of every 4 in the 3rd, but it's not what these guys do!

Excellent observation. I remember hearing CC a number of times on the radio talking about how unlikely it was that a certain round pick would make your team. At the time it sounded reasonable to me and I rolled with it. But now, thinking back, it just irritates the hell out of me because it's become clear that he had such a dim view of middle round picks that he would just waste them.

What's even more irritating is how many high picks he wasted as well. It's really a miracle, when you think about it, how far this team has progressed and how quickly it has recovered in the aftermath of the complete incompetence that was Charley Casserly.


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