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steelbtexan 05-06-2008 10:56 PM

Dan Riley
 
We have had more injuries than any team in the league.

He is the last hold over from the CC regime.

His body of work suggests that we need another strength & conditioning coach. IMO

infantrycak 05-07-2008 08:59 AM

Re: Dan Riley
 
What strength and conditioning should Riley have had Dunta doing to keep his knee from being crushed by another player? What should have done to keep AJ from getting hyperextended on a hit over the middle? McKinney blowing a knee? Weary breaking a bone? Spencer's leg from breaking?

What injuries can you point to and say a different strength and conditioning program would have prevented them?

On the other hand, you have guys like Salaam saying Riley saved his career with his customized program.

HOU-TEX 05-07-2008 09:00 AM

Re: Dan Riley
 
Dan Riley's the Alex Gibbs of stregth and conditioning. He's well known and respected around the league for what he does. If he were let go there'd be 31 other teams clammoring for him.

Dan Riley's not going anywhere until he choses to do so, IMO. :cool:

*edit: Dang ICak, what're the odds we'd post at the same time in a thread that's 10 hrs old. Weird, I tell ya

bah007 05-07-2008 09:05 AM

Re: Dan Riley
 
Dan Riley is one of the top 3 S&C coaches in the history of the NFL (probably the best).

He has been in the NFL for over 25 years.

A S&C coach can prevent injuries to high school & college players, but this is the NFL. Every single one of those guys is a tremendous athlete, and most injuries in the NFL are fluke injuries that cannot be prevented.

D-ReK 05-07-2008 09:15 AM

Re: Dan Riley
 
Quote:

Dan Riley joined the Texans as the club’s first strength and conditioning coach on February 1, 2001. Riley enters his 26th year as a strength coach in the National Football League.

Prior to joining the Texans, Riley spent the previous 19 seasons in the same capacity with the Washington Redskins. He served as an integral part of three Super Bowl champions, four NFC champions, and five NFC East champions during his tenure.

Riley has authored four books on weight training. In addition, he wrote a physical fitness column for the Washington Post and also authored the “Power Line,” a monthly fitness column for Coach and Athletic Director magazine. Riley now authors the "Fitness Corner" column on HoustonTexans.com and co-hosts a weekly fitness and nutrition show on Houston's SportsRadio 610 with Texans team nutritionist Roberta Anding.

Prior to his stint with the Redskins, Riley spent five years as the strength coach at Penn State after serving four years as the strength coach at the United States Military Academy at West Point.

A native of Manchester, N.H., Riley graduated from Keene State College with an undergraduate degree in physical education. He has a master’s degree in physical education from Indiana University.

Riley and his wife Brenda have two sons – Marty, who works for Microsoft and lives in Redmond, Wash., and T, who lives in Houston and is employed at the St. John's School as a teacher, coach and assistant athletic director.

RILEY’S COACHING LEDGER
2001-07: Strength & Conditioning, Houston Texans
1982-00: Strength & Conditioning, Washington Redskins
1977-81: Strength & Conditioning, Penn State
1973-77: Strength & Conditioning, Military Academy
LINK

That's a mighty impressive resume.

Texan_Bill 05-07-2008 09:26 AM

Re: Dan Riley
 
I know that Dan Riley is well respected around the league. I know that his resume is top notch, etc., etc... But quite honestly, I have questioned this before too..
Last two seasons, at least 17 people on I.R....? I think that speaks volumes, or at the very least deserves some discussion.

bigbrewster2000 05-07-2008 09:58 AM

Re: Dan Riley
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Texan_Bill (Post 914356)
I know that Dan Riley is well respected around the league. I know that his resume is top notch, etc., etc... But quite honestly, I have questioned this before too..
Last two seasons, at least 17 people on I.R....? I think that speaks volumes, or at the very least deserves some discussion.

Not when most of the injuries have nothing to do with strength and conditioning.

Texan_Bill 05-07-2008 10:04 AM

Re: Dan Riley
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by bigbrewster2000 (Post 914372)
Not when most of the injuries have nothing to do with strength and conditioning.

Unless its a concussion, most injuries are related to strength and conditioning - be it a muscle pull, ligament tear, etc. And there has been more than enough to warrant discussion.

infantrycak 05-07-2008 10:21 AM

Re: Dan Riley
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Texan_Bill (Post 914374)
Unless its a concussion, most injuries are related to strength and conditioning - be it a muscle pull, ligament tear, etc.

So Dunta having a 280 lb guy land on his leg in a direction it wouldn't bend is a strength and conditioning issue?

kravix 05-07-2008 10:41 AM

Re: Dan Riley
 
A couple of those IR guys were stashed there last year. Brown, Brandon, Abatte.

Texan_Bill 05-07-2008 11:04 AM

Re: Dan Riley
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by infantrycak (Post 914378)
So Dunta having a 280 lb guy land on his leg in a direction it wouldn't bend is a strength and conditioning issue?

I don't discount freak injuries, or broken legs or arms, but look below. Some of those injuries might have been prevented with better stretching or lifting techniques - or maybe not.

PHP Code:

Date Pos Player Injury Status 
12
/18/07 S Nick Ferguson  Right knee IR 
12
/09/07 RB Ahman Green  knee IR 
12
/04/07 C Chris White  left knee IR 
12
/04/07 G Fred Weary  broken right tibia IR 
12
/02/07 QB Matt Schaub  dislocated left shoulder Day-to-Day 
12
/02/07 C Chris White  left knee Day-to-Day 
12
/02/07 G Fred Weary  broken right tibia Day-to-Day 
11
/08/07 CB Dunta Robinson  right knee IR 
11
/04/07 CB Dunta Robinson  right knee Day-to-Day 
10
/31/07 LB Shawn Barber  neck IR 
10
/08/07 WR Jerome Mathis  fibula IR 
09
/25/07 DT Cedric Killings  neck IR 
09
/25/07 C Steve McKinney  knee IR 
09
/23/07 C Steve McKinney  sprained knee Day-to-Day 
09
/23/07 DT Cedric Killings  neck Day-to-Day 
09
/11/07 S Jason Simmons  left knee IR 
09
/02/07 S Brandon Harrison  hamstring IR 
09
/02/07 S Will Demps  elbow IR 
08
/24/07 T Kevin Barry  biceps IR 
08
/17/07 CB Jason Horton  broken arm IR 
08
/17/07 S Glenn Earl  foot IR 
09
/21/06 T Charles Spencer  Broken leg IR 
09
/17/06 T Charles Spencer  Left leg 

I see plenty of others on that list that at least warrants this discussion!!

Texan_Bill 05-07-2008 11:07 AM

Re: Dan Riley
 
PS... There were about the same amount on that list following the 2006 season.

kravix 05-07-2008 11:18 AM

Re: Dan Riley
 
Green
Weary
Schaub
Dunta
Barber
Mathis
Killings
McKinney
Demps
Horton
Earl
Spencer

That is 12 right there that no amount of str or conditioning can help.

Green- Deep tissue bruise on knee--

Weary- Break-- Could have fed him more milk i guess?

Schaub- Shoulders pop out especially when you are slammed to the ground the wrong way by someone that outwieghs you by 50+ lbs

Dunta- legs dont bend that way

Barber- Neck injuries arent something you can really strengthen against or want to take chances on.

Mathis- Leg fracture-- See Weary

McKinney- He had serious surgery after this. It is hard to strenthen a knee from moving when 300lb DL are falling on them.

Killings- He is lucky to be walking again.

Demps- His elbow was dislocated before he got here.

Horton- See Weary

Earl- Broken foot-- see Weary

Spencer- See Weary

Harrison- He was clearly stashed here.

D-ReK 05-07-2008 11:19 AM

Re: Dan Riley
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by kravix (Post 914409)
Green
Weary
Schaub
Dunta
Barber
Mathis
Killings
McKinney
Demps
Horton
Earl
Spencer

That is 12 right there that no amount of str or conditioning can help.

Green- Deep tissue bruise on knee--

Weary- Break-- Could have fed him more milk i guess?

Schaub- Shoulders pop out especially when you are slammed to the ground the wrong way by someone that outwieghs you by 50+ lbs

Dunta- legs dont bend that way

Barber- Neck injuries arent something you can really strengthen against or want to take chances on.

Mathis- Leg fracture-- See Weary

McKinney- He had serious surgery after this. It is hard to strenthen a knee from moving when 300lb DL are falling on them.

Killings- He is lucky to be walking again.

Demps- His elbow was dislocated before he got here.

Horton- See Weary

Earl- Broken foot-- see Weary

Spencer- See Weary

Harrison- He was clearly stashed here.

Don't forget that Ferguson wasn't even on our team last year.

Texan_Bill 05-07-2008 11:23 AM

Re: Dan Riley
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by kravix (Post 914409)
Green
Weary
Schaub
Dunta
Barber
Mathis
Killings
McKinney
Demps
Horton
Earl
Spencer

That is 12 right there that no amount of str or conditioning can help.

Green- Deep tissue bruise on knee--

Weary- Break-- Could have fed him more milk i guess?

Schaub- Shoulders pop out especially when you are slammed to the ground the wrong way by someone that outwieghs you by 50+ lbs

Dunta- legs dont bend that way

Barber- Neck injuries arent something you can really strengthen against or want to take chances on.

Mathis- Leg fracture-- See Weary

McKinney- He had serious surgery after this. It is hard to strenthen a knee from moving when 300lb DL are falling on them.

Killings- He is lucky to be walking again.

Demps- His elbow was dislocated before he got here.

Horton- See Weary

Earl- Broken foot-- see Weary

Spencer- See Weary

Harrison- He was clearly stashed here.

Look, I'm not going to argue with you about who and why.

34+ players in two seasons is more than enough to warrant the discussion in the same way it warrants a discussion about the field... errrrrrrr painted dirt (although most players have said the footing is fine). I beleive in bad luck, but this more than bad luck, this has been serious trend.

HOU-TEX 05-07-2008 11:23 AM

Re: Dan Riley
 
For discussion sake. I deleted the "day to day" injuries that ended on the IR.

Quote:

Date Pos Player Injury Status
12/18/07 S Nick Ferguson Right knee IR Not on the team
12/09/07 RB Ahman Green knee IR Bone bruise. IMO not S&C related
12/04/07 C Chris White left knee IR Torn ACL. Debatable
12/04/07 G Fred Weary broken right tibia IR Broken bone. IMO not S&C related
12/02/07 QB Matt Schaub dislocated left shoulder Day-to-Day IMO, he needs to get stronger anyways
11/08/07 CB Dunta Robinson right knee IR Torn everything. Brutal hit. IMO not S&C related
10/31/07 LB Shawn Barber neck IR Don't know about this. IMO, it was just to get him off the roster
10/08/07 WR Jerome Mathis fibula IR Don't know much about it. Weird injury I think. Not on team anymore
09/25/07 DT Cedric Killings neck IR Brutal hit. IMO not S&C related
09/25/07 C Steve McKinney knee IR Torn ACL. Debatable
09/11/07 S Jason Simmons left knee IR Forgot what was wrong. Debatable
09/02/07 S Brandon Harrison hamstring IR Debatable. IMO, he was there to save him for this season
09/02/07 S Will Demps elbow IR Pre-existing injury
08/24/07 T Kevin Barry biceps IR WTF is this guy?
08/17/07 CB Jason Horton broken arm IR WTF is this guy?
08/17/07 S Glenn Earl foot IR LisFranc (sp?) IMO not S&C related
09/21/06 T Charles Spencer Broken leg IR Ron Dayne, nuff said
It's debatable a torn ligament can be avoided by certain excercises/training, but IMHO, none of the injuries above appear to be related to S & C.:cool:

Texan_Bill 05-07-2008 11:35 AM

Re: Dan Riley
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by HOU-TEX (Post 914415)
For discussion sake. I deleted the "day to day" injuries that ended on the IR.



It's debatable a torn ligament can be avoided by certain excercises/training, but IMHO, none of the injuries above appear to be related to S & C.:cool:

Ah-ha!! The word debatable means that its a viable discussion...

That's all I did... Some folks in their zeal to 'prove themselves right' missed that point..

HOU-TEX 05-07-2008 11:52 AM

Re: Dan Riley
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Texan_Bill (Post 914426)
Ah-ha!! The word debatable means that its a viable discussion...

That's all I did... Some folks in their zeal to 'prove themselves right' missed that point..

LOL! Well, the reason why I said it was debatable was because I've been told that a flat-footed person has a higher risk of knee joint problems than a person that is not. I heard this back in the late 80's early 90's from our trainer at SFA, so don't bash me if I'm incorrect.

Also, a person who has or does take steroids has a higher risk of joint injury.

I might be wrong, but I'm just going by what I was told back then.

Texan_Bill 05-07-2008 11:56 AM

Re: Dan Riley
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by HOU-TEX (Post 914439)
LOL! Well, the reason why I said it was debatable was because I've been told that a flat-footed person has a higher risk of knee joint problems than a person that is not. I heard this back in the late 80's early 90's from our trainer at SFA, so don't bash me if I'm incorrect.

Also, a person who has or does take steroids has a higher risk of joint injury.

I might be wrong, but I'm just going by what I was told back then.

I can attest to the flat-foot bad knee problem - first hand.

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It must be turning into a long off-season, when we get down to 'debating' the merits of a discussion!! :pirate:

HOU-TEX 05-07-2008 12:07 PM

Re: Dan Riley
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Texan_Bill (Post 914446)
I can attest to the flat-foot bad knee problem - first hand.

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It must be turning into a long off-season, when we get down to 'debating' the merits of a discussion!! :pirate:

Too true Bill, Oh so true. It sucks! I hope we at least get some decent coverage of this weeks mini-camp. Then we can beat the shit out of that for the next month or so until there's something else to beat the shit out of. :wild:


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