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WWJD 12-09-2004 12:50 PM

Pastorini's take on Carr
I was listening to Dan P. yesterday on 610 and he had some interesting comments about David Carr. He says David has regressed and he is side-arming the ball this year. He said that would never work in the NFL because of the huge height of the D lineman, that you have to arch the ball to the receivers.

He didn't seem impressed with the O line work this year and the most telling comment he made to me was about coaches. He said he had so many coaches during his NFL days that it would not surprise him if the Texans made some changes in their coaching staff.

Any opinions?

wags 12-09-2004 12:56 PM

Carr's throwing motion does look different this year. He's always had a terrible motion but this year it looks different. I have noticed on some of his throws this year it actually looks like he is pushing the ball to his receiver. How about that underthrow to Johnson last week? :bag: That was middle school caliber.

gwallaia 12-09-2004 12:57 PM

I've noticed David's sidearm delivery as well. Time to break out the ladder again.

Ibar_Harry 12-09-2004 01:02 PM

Or is his shoulder injured and nothing is being said?

Ibar_Harry 12-09-2004 01:06 PM

Sounds like some knowledgeable people are also beginning to talk about the coaching staff, and in particular, the O-line change. I've stated many times the blocking scheme change, which I to bought into, is a major reason for the offensive problems we are seeing this year. I would also add where is Brown, Washington, and others in this revamp year. I think we're not playing Washington because the coaches feel he doesn't fit into the new scheme. That's probably true, but neither does McKinney..........

WWJD 12-09-2004 01:10 PM


Originally Posted by Ibar_Harry
Or is his shoulder injured and nothing is being said?

Dan questioned the injury too and wondered if perhaps it has had an effect on David's delivery this year. I will make a mental note to watch David throwing this week because to be honest I had not noticed the sidearm motion much myself. I do know sometimes he underthrows the receivers while it seemed last year he was hitting them in stride.

I think perhaps he is feeling the heat a bit more right now in this string of bad games and is just pressing too hard.

TheOgre 12-09-2004 01:32 PM

Accuracy is the number 1 issue with sidearm throwers. Kosar was a sidearmed thrower and he did fine though.

DreamCatcher 12-09-2004 01:44 PM

Could be an injury or just the pressure getting to him but the arm motion doesn,t look the best.Then again his protection from the O has not been the best.

infantrycak 12-09-2004 01:52 PM


Originally Posted by Ibar_Harry
I think we're not playing Washington because the coaches feel he doesn't fit into the new scheme.

The coaches aren't playing Washington this year because he looked like a turnstyle last year in pass protection. Having said that, IMO he looked better when he subbed in at center last year and I wouldn't mind seeing that experiment again although I assume that he practices there and the coaches don't see it as an improvement over McKinney.

Funny that the sidearm thing is a problem for some folks--plenty of people were high on Rivers and his sidearm is much more exagerated.

WWJD 12-09-2004 02:14 PM

It's not a problem for me Infantry; I hadn't even noticed David had a sidearm throwing motion so so much for my power of observation.

I DID find it interesting that Pastorini thought it was a regressive year for David and he said he has regressed "back to" the sidearm motion. He even made a comment that somebody needed to pull out a tape from last year of David and one from this year and see if he wasn't right.

I guess in NFL circles it's not something coaches want a QB to do.

wags 12-09-2004 02:52 PM

Well our QB coach is in his first year as QB coach, ever. On the other end of the spectrum you have Indy's QB coach. He has been there three years and before that he was QB coach for the Bucs in 2001. He also was a QB and receiver coach in college, working with the likes of Kerry Collins.

axman40 12-09-2004 03:44 PM

Did Dan the Man say anything about Weed 2 being filmed?

WWJD 12-09-2004 04:31 PM

No! But he did say he was playing golf with Nickelback! :bguitar:

MarleyFan 12-09-2004 07:43 PM

Dan Pastorini?
Does Dan Pastorini have his own radio show in H-town, or was he just being interviewed?

WWJD 12-09-2004 08:02 PM


Originally Posted by MarleyFan
Does Dan Pastorini have his own radio show in H-town, or was he just being interviewed?

He will be doing a radio show with Marc Vandemeer and Rich Lord on Wednesdays on 610 AM. I say Wednesday because that is the day I heard him on..I don't know that they do it on Wednesday every week but Dan is a cool guy; he's very honest and I found the interview/questioning very informative.

I also think he does a TV show with Marc Vandemeer on Channel 13..ABC. I am not sure of the day. Perhaps somebody else knows that but I believe it's done with an audience at the Aquarium downtown so that might be something Texan fans might like to attend.

aj. 12-09-2004 08:35 PM

Pastorini has been doing a weekly radio hour with Vandermeer since the start of the season. It was on Weds. mornings but it has moved to the afternoons with the programming changes on 610.

The Quarterbacks TV show is filmed on Weds. nights at 7 pm at the downtown Aquarium. Some of our board members regularly attend. It is broadcast late Friday nights ~ 11:00 pm.

WWJD 12-09-2004 08:41 PM

Sorry I thought the QB show was on Channel 13!

fresno8 12-10-2004 12:37 AM

He was throwing well earlier in the year. He's a tough guy, he has to be hurt and it's affecting his motion. I'm a huge Carr fan and have watched him since his first start at Fresno State. The arm strength isn't there right now. Gotta be hurt, because he has a rocket even when he's throwing side armed and it's just not there right now, his ball is floating and sailing. Earlier in the year he'd put the ball where ever he wanted.

bckey 12-10-2004 12:39 AM


Originally Posted by ThirdEyeBC32
He does The Quarterbacks on Channel 11 with Gifford Neilson. Vandemeer has a small part on the prgram. Dan is cool, as I was growing up he was my favorite QB. Anyone remember the run in with Dale Robertson of the then Houston Post? :heh:

I do. Pastorini was one of my favorite qbs also. Blue collar and tough.

pittbull 12-10-2004 08:01 AM

Carr is fine...
Carr will be just fine!!!

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